Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating at Nurburgring

[btm]

lets see where this goes

http://carsguide.news.com.au/site/mo...referrer=email

Porsche has accused Nissan of cheating in the GT-R's record bid at the Nurburgring racetrack.
Porsche has just run its own back-to-back tests with the Japanese company's GT-R supercar and says it could not get within 25 seconds of Nissan's claimed record time of seven minutes 29 seconds in April.

It also found its 911 Turbo and GT2 were both quicker than the GT-R.

"This wonder car with 7:29 could not have been a regular series production car," says August Achleitner, the 911 product chief for Porsche, speaking to the CARSguide at the Australian press preview of the latest 911 Cabrio.

"For us, it's not clear how this time is possible. What we can imagine with this Nissan is they used other tyres."

He believes the time achieved by Nissan with ex-Formula One driver Toshio Suzuki would only be possible with a semi-slick race-style tyre.

Achleitner says Porsche took a standard GT-R, running on regular road tyres, and ran it around the Nurburgring within two hours of its own cars, on the same day with exactly the same weather conditions.

He says there was no tweaking of any kind and the GT2 and Turbo both ran on regular Porsche road tyres, the Michelin Sport Cup.

"We bought the car in the US. We drove a GT-R with new tyres," he says.

Achleitner was initially protective of the exact lap times, which were run during a program when Porsche also compared its upcoming four-door Panamera with a range of potential rivals.

But he eventually revealed his team clocked the GT-R at 7 minutes 54 seconds, with the 911 Turbo managing 7:38 and the GT2 getting down to 7:34.

The laps were not run by Porsche's usual hot-lap specialist, former world rally champion and race winner Walter Rohrl, but one of the company's chassis development engineers who is an expert on the Nurburgring.

Achleitner says the back-to-back comparison was run because Porsche was concerned by Nissan's claims for the GT-R, which is heavier than the 911 with similar power.

"The Nissan is a good car. I don't want to make anything bad with my words," he says.

"It's a very consistent car. But this car is about 20 kilos heavier than the Turbo . . ."

In the end, Porsche believes its testing has achieved the right lap times for the Skyline GT-R and benchmarked it against its own 911 heroes in the right context.

"For us it has been clearly the result. This technical puzzle now fits together. With the other numbers we had problems to understand it," he says.

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[JohnBu]

a bit odd since every test track comparison of the 911 turbo and GTR was won by the GTR..

[Ice]

Hmmm im sure Wraith will have something to say with this one.

Porsche rock and thats al there is to it !

[Wraith]

Hmmm im sure Wraith will have something to say with this one.

Porsche rock and thats al there is to it !

Yes I have BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Never have I seen the Porsche motor co. beaten to such a sore sorry pulp, that they have to resort to this kind of propaganda to keep their heads above water LOL...this only proves even further beyond a doubt the 'massive' effect and implications of what a car of the calibre of the new R35 GT-R is doing in terms of shaking up the supercar giants

What on Earth will they do or come up with when the V-Spec hits the scene and when the new NSX and Lexus supercar hit scene ???

More childish excuses no doubt

You know what it could be, everybody knows and I've mentioned it here, they were amongst the 1st to purchase R35 GT-R's for their own test and evaluation purposes and have stripped them down to learn and possibly reverse engineer the R35 technology, maybe they didn't put em back together properly LOL

[poita]

was just reading this, tall poppy syndrome has hit porsche hard!
bunch of friggin whingers.

and i know it doesnt account for such a big time difference, but every r35 has a different power output.

[lithium]

that's interesting

i read an article a month ago which claimed that the sole reason a GT-R is faster around the 'burg than a 911 turbo is because the GT-R comes factory fitted with stickier tyres....the author of that article thought that if you put the same rubber on both cars, the 911 will come out on top

i'm skeptical about Porsches claims though, 25 seconds slower?? seeing, as mentioned above, all other independent track tests have the two cars neck-and-neck, with the GT-R occasionally a nose in front.

looks like the days of overcharging for a yellow badge are rapidly coming to a close

[Wraith]

looks like the days of overcharging for a yellow badge are rapidly coming to a close

We can only hope - but the rich brand snob noses love to pay lots for their cars - makes em feel good about themselves

Then when the povo Jap hi-po vehicle comes along and blows em, it's a quick flick up of the nose and comments like, " bah it's just a Datsun ol boy can't possibly be all that good can it "

I'd like to make a request to Mr Porker since he owns 51% majority share of VW who in turn have majority share of so many other companies, can you please at least lower the prices of your Audi vehicles group, as I'm very interested in buying one

[lithium]

We can only hope - but the rich brand snob noses love to pay lots for their cars - makes em feel good about themselves

Then when the povo Jap hi-po vehicle comes along and blows em, it's a quick flick up of the nose and comments like, " bah it's just a Datsun ol boy can't possibly be all that good can it "

you know i was talking to a Boxster-owning friend about the virtues of the GT-R, and he did exactly that - turned up the nose and said 'yeah but it's only a Nissan'. i couldn't believe my ears! some people will never learn

I'd like to make a request to Mr Porker since he owns 51% majority share of VW who in turn have majority share of so many other companies, can you please at least lower the prices of your Audi vehicles group, as I'm very interested in buying one

mate i take it the TTS test-drive went well?

[Ice]

but it is only a Nissan ! people wont look at it the same as they will a Porsche and im sure they will hvae something up their sleeve...they are going to have to think of something soon and I guess cars can only get so fast. Blah to your Nissan Wraith !!!!!!!

[Wraith]

you know i was talking to a Boxster-owning friend about the virtues of the GT-R, and he did exactly that - turned up the nose and said 'yeah but it's only a Nissan'. i couldn't believe my ears! some people will never learn



mate i take it the TTS test-drive went well?

LOL with the above - see what I mean

As for the test drive - it's this coming Friday (I'll write up about it) as mentioned in that other thread, the Audi dealership has sold both of the vehicles that they had allocated to them as test drivers...so I've had to wait for another to come in - good news for me, I'll be test driving both coupe and roadster, can't wait