Philip King and Matthew Franklin
June 11, 2008 06:10am
TOYOTA had already decided to make a hybrid car in Australia and didn't need $70 million in taxpayer-funded subsidies given to it yesterday.
Prime Minster Kevin Rudd, speaking at a meeting with Toyota executives at their Nagoya plant in Japan, yesterday pledged $35 million to the company from Labor's new Green Car Innovation Fund as an incentive to assemble the vehicles at the Altona facility in Victoria.
Victorian Premier John Brumby matched the $35 million figure.
But the funding promise has been undermined by local Toyota chiefs, who told The Australian the decision to make petrol-electric hybrid Camrys in Australia had already been made and was due to be announced "within months".
Toyota Australia spokesman Mike Breen said the subsidies meant the announcement was brought forward.
It would have gone ahead without the $70 million cash injection, which was not critical to the proposal, he said.
"It would have happened regardless and we wouldn't bring it to market unless we're going to make money," Mr Breen said.
"It's always nice to have support but it comes back to a business decision."
Toyota has been explicit about its wish to produce a hybrid version of the Camry in Australia since the model went on sale in Japan two years ago.
At yesterday's announcement, Toyota president Katsuaki Watanabe refused to say if his company would have opted to build the hybrid in Melbourne without the taxpayer assistance, under which the Government will offer $1 for research and development for every $3 spent by the company.
But Mr Watanabe confirmed Toyota "only recently" heard it would receive a $35 million subsidy from the Australian Government's $500 million green car fund "so we are not sure how we will use it".
The hybrid Camry will go down the same assembly line as the petrol version already built at Altona, with all the engine components imported complete from Japan ready to drop into the car.The color of money
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Date posted: 06-18-2006
It's not easy being ... jade, emerald, lime. We're tired of the word "green" and refuse to use it. Although it has come to mean environmentally friendly, it can also imply naiveté, immaturity or a lack of sophistication. Not fair. The 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid sedan is pure smarts. It's fresh, refined and above all, very, very normal. It deserves a new hue. Sage is a good variation. It's descriptive and wise at the same time.
More than any other hybrid we've driven, the 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid has the most seamless transition between electric motor and gasoline engine. If we didn't tell you it was a hybrid and let you drive it, we doubt you would notice. And unlike Toyota's Prius, which was purposely designed to look special with its little shifter and Alpine cable car-like design, the Camry Hybrid looks almost identical to the non-hybrid Camry. They're driving among us and you don't even know it.
A horse of a different color
Toyota's Camry Hybrid uses a 45 horsepower electric motor mated to a 147 hp 2.4-liter DOHC four-cylinder gasoline engine, resulting in a net 192 horsepower. The system adjusts power between gas and electric, or uses both, as needed. A continuously variable transmission helps the engine operate at maximum fuel efficiency. Engine torque is rated at 138 pound-feet at 4,400 rpm and electric motor torque at 199 lb-ft at zero to 1,500 rpm. We've grown accustomed to hybrids feeling somewhat sluggish, but this new Camry Hybrid feels surprisingly robust.
On the dash, instead of revs, you will find an MPG consumption meter depicting the electric/gas power ratio. The only exterior variance to the non-hybrid Camry is a slight difference in undercarriage design, which reduces aerodynamic drag and helps increase fuel economy. But that's it. The most noticeable difference will be found at the fuel pump.
Testing the claims
On one 17.2-gallon tank of gas, Toyota claims you can drive 650 miles. Rated at 40 mpg/city and 38 mpg/highway by the EPA, the Camry Hybrid was daring us to test it. So we conducted our own fuel economy experiments and got similarly dramatic results. On our city loops, we made moderate starts at traffic lights and were careful not to exceed 45 mph. We averaged 38.4 mpg.
Likewise, we experimented on the freeway, setting cruise control to 60 mph and watching the fuel economy gauge hover just above the electric motor level, blending electric power with a minimum of gasoline. On inclines, the meter climbed to 40-percent gasoline. We averaged a staggering 42.4 mpg. Granted, this was with a completely charged battery that could draw full electric power. But it goes to show that if you drive this car prudently, you really can travel more than 650 miles per tank.
During our time with the Camry Hybrid, our overall fuel economy was 32.6 mpg.
Compare the Camry Hybrid EPA numbers to the Honda Accord Hybrid, which is rated at 25 city, 34 highway. In fairness, the six-cylinder Accord Hybrid doesn't really use its hybrid technology for maximum fuel efficiency, but rather to supplement its 253 horsepower. Another fuel-efficient option could be the Volkswagen Jetta diesel. It only offers 100 hp, but is rated 35 city, 42 highway.
But is the Camry Hybrid slow?
OK, you feel good about the environment, but do you have to sacrifice performance? While our test driver thought the car felt like "an ice cream truck" at the track, those of us who weren't pushing the Camry Hybrid through the slalom course after a BMW M6 were decidedly more generous. The Camry Hybrid may feel dull after driving a high-performance car, but when you look at the actual numbers from the track, they're on par for the front-wheel-drive midsize sedan segment.
With a 0-60 time of 8.6 seconds, you won't win any drag races in the Camry Hybrid, but no one will make fun of you as you try to merge onto the freeway either. The numbers aren't bad compared to the previous-generation non-hybrid Camry with an inline-four engine, which took 10.3 seconds to reach 60 mph in our comparison test against a Honda Accord and Hyundai Sonata. The Accord, which was also a four-cylinder, managed 9.5 seconds while the Sonata, even though it was a V6, took 8.2 seconds. For the record, the V6-powered 2007 Camry XLE cut 0-60 times to 6.5 seconds.
Braking numbers were comparable within this segment as well. The Camry Hybrid's four-wheel disc brakes brought the sedan from 60 to 0 mph in 135 feet. Not terribly impressive. But the previous four-cylinder Camry from our comparison test took 146 feet. The new 2007 V6 Camry did it in only 124 feet. One thing to note: The hybrid's brake pedal is fairly sensitive and takes some adapting to avoid jerkiness.
The electronic variable-assist power rack and pinion steering felt precise and in proportion with the weight and size of the car. The chassis rolled a bit in sharp turns, but not so much to be bothersome. The Camry Hybrid uses MacPherson struts in front and dual-link independent MacPherson struts at the rear, and rides on 16-inch Bridgestone tires. The ride is comfortable around town and on the highway. It feels stable, and handles potholes and bumps well.
Vehicle stability control with traction control limits the car's high-performance ability in favor of safety. But in a hybrid, smoothness is what matters most — moderate acceleration and even braking will equal maximum efficiency.
Interior comforts
Our test Camry was loaded with more than $4,000 worth of option packages full of niceties like heated leather seats, a voice-activated navigation system, power moonroof and first aid kit.
Contributing to your clean lifestyle, Toyota outfitted the Camry Hybrid with an ECO button for the A/C unit to conserve energy and a Plasmacluster air filtration system, which is basically like an Ionic Breeze for your car. This helps us feel a bit better about the giant hybrid battery that lives behind the rear passenger seats.
Fine quality materials are used throughout the interior. The power seats are infinitely adjustable and remain comfortable and supportive even after long drives.
At lower speeds, the Camry Hybrid is quiet inside and out, eerily quiet, pedestrians-beware quiet. When driving on the highway, however, interior quiet was disturbed by road noise penetrating the cabin.
Overall length is the same as the previous-generation Camry, but this 2007 model sits on a 2-inch-longer wheelbase. This edition is also an inch wider, providing a little more hip and elbow room. Even the backseat felt roomy, although for long drives two rear passengers would be more comfortable than three.
Cargo capacity is lacking at only 10.6 cubic feet compared to the non-hybrid Camry, which offers 15 cubic feet. The rear seats fold down but only pass through to the trunk on one side in order to protect the hybrid battery.
Soon to be America's best-selling hybrid?
Fear not the hybrid lifestyle. You don't have to drive around in something that looks like a pod. Our only difficulty with the car was driving up very steep hills. The engine complained loudly. So if you live in the Hollywood Hills or someplace similarly vertical, you may want to opt for more power. You could go for the V6 Honda Accord Hybrid, which is similar in dimensions but will cost you $5,000 more than the base Camry Hybrid's $25,900.
If you care about quick green light take-offs, the new V6 non-hybrid Camry may be more your speed. But if you drive under normal everyday conditions and would like to get more than 500 miles out of a tankful of gas, the Camry Hybrid is a sage option.
The 2007 Toyota Camry Hybrid will leave its competition chartreuse with envy
Components: XLE and Hybrid Camrys come standard with a JBL premium sound system. It includes an in-dash six-disc CD changer, but when the navigation system is ordered (as on our test car) it becomes a four-CD changer and stereo functions are integrated into the color touchscreen. The stereo has eight speakers and an eight-channel, 440-watt digital amplifier.
Bluetooth hands-free phone technology is also included with the JBL stereo. The JBL system can play MP3 and WMA CDs and has an auxiliary audio jack for connecting portable MP3 players. Steering-wheel-mounted audio controls are also standard.
Performance: Once we got the spec sheet on this stereo, we were shocked to find that it has only eight speakers. Frankly, it sounds like 16.
The sound is so clear and bright it makes almost any type of music a joy to listen to. The sound quality is also well-rounded, with near-perfect balance between highs, lows and midrange reproduction. Even at higher volumes, the sound never gets harsh and there is no perceptible distortion. Plus, the sound has a warm quality that lends it a true premium feel. The bass is full and rich and if you want it to thump a little, simply turn that bass up. This is easily the best Toyota/JBL stereo we've heard and is one of the best factory systems available in any non-luxury-branded car. It's absolutely on par with stereos found in more expensive vehicles from Acura, Audi and Cadillac.
On the other hand, we don't really care for the clunky manner in which CDs are loaded when the JBL stereo is paired with the navigation system. Since the nav screen has to flip open to access the CD slot, it's difficult to load multiple CDs because the screen that shows the CD position is out of view. Additionally, the green lights that flash when the changer is ready to accept a disc are hard to see in the daytime. Also, the "load/eject" screen is separate from the "audio" screen, which is confusing at times.
However, there are a few thoughtful features that make using the stereo easy and more enjoyable. For example, when the nav screen transitions from one function to the other, it uses a nice dissolve rather than a harsh jump. Also, the screen colors are bright and fresh-looking and there's even an "eject all" button that eliminates the need to sit in the driver seat for an extra three minutes pressing the eject button six times in a row. That is simply an excellent idea. The touchscreen also incorporates commands from the hard buttons very nicely — the integration with the navigation screen is more than just an afterthought and works very well.
Best Feature: Excellent sound quality.
Worst Feature: Confusing CD load procedure.
Conclusion: This is the best Toyota/JBL stereo yet. The sound quality approaches Lexus standards, which seems even more amazing given that this is the standard stereo on the Hybrid and XLE versions of the Camry. — Brian Moody.
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Originally Posted by sssdriver
just interested on what every one else's opinion is on this.
Ok the car is already produced in Australia and this is just another drive train option. So maby it will help reduce petrol consumption seeing as it can get 1050km from a tank.
But then the question will be will Holden follow suit with something else to try get money from the "Green car fund" ?
Also the car is already going to be 4 years old before it hits us seeing as it has been on sale in Japan since 06
i dont give a rats ass for the current hybrid car technology..
it's not a green car..
it still uses petrol, it still emits emissions, and you have to replace batteries every 2 years..
where are we going to dump all the used batteries? and their battery acid goodness? unless they wil recycle them..
I dont agree with the spending of 35 million to a massively profitable company.
Also I am against government intervention into the car industry in any form.
At the end of the day supply and demand should determine what cars we get rather than government intervnetion. For example all that wasted money put into mitsubishi just lead to a unpopular car hanging around for unnecssarily long.
On a side note the government needs to adress its car taxing issues as well. How they can increase the luxury goods tax on cars whilst leaving 4wd tax below that of regular cars - despite their environmental and other problems is completely beyond me.
ah well...
Black '02 SRi
are there Nical cad batteries or LithiumIon like in the Tesla or are they lead ?
Hmm I don't think that hybrids adverts should focus on the "green" aspect so much, as oneightoo said, they're not that green at all, they're just more fuel economical thats about it, thats their selling point in my opinion, that whole green thing is bull...
Anyone watch on topgear, when they said that a V8 S class was more eco friendly than a Prius? Not just because of the emissions but also the way they are made, the amount of recycled materials and processes used etc etc.
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krudd is a **** head....
yep, that pretty much sums it up..
coz you know, the government doesnt have elsewhere to spend $70 million dollars... nooo, we need to help one of the biggest motor vehicle manufacturers develop a car that they would have developed on their own funds regardless... sure, if it was a "green" v8 commodore, you're helping an australian brand aswell.. but its a bloody toyota camry.. urgh..
this new government should have the plug pulled on them. vote of no confidence?
www.wolf4x4.com.au
dude, the v8 commodores and falcons should die....V8 are the biggest waste of petrol around...even though they sound good..lol
yeh, agree, Hybrids are a complete waste of money..its like the v6 or v8 hybrid that lexus has...what a fukin joke!!
do some research and develop some alternative fuel or power source rather than adding batteries to fuel powered cars. hydrogen is an excellent idea..honda has kinda done a hydrogen car. I guess for the moment, hybrid is a bit easier to run rather than trying to find hydrogen stations.
Last edited by USC; 11th June 2008 at 11:46 AM.
Nah not really some places use the prius as taxis and put 160,000KMs on the car with the original batteries holding 4/5ths of original power. Toyota also use the batteries again replenishing the cells and they give you a discount on your new batteries when you exchange them.
I'm more interested in Nissans ELECTRIC car not this hybrid BS...
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Have you watched "Who killed the electric car" the oil companies bought the Company pioneering hydrogen technology for cars starved it of funds and shelved the technology.. When we run out of oil the oil companies will come out with all these goodies and go "Hey look we're not bad guys after all right! We have all this green technology for everyone!!" Then make money from that...
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