Reply With QuoteEarly onset alzheimers????Originally Posted by bornwild
So why is it shit?
A common failing with some euro cars. They can be noisey on some coarse roads. Either that or the tyres used (Golf GTI has significantly wider tyres than then WRX)
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So why is it shit?
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i think that this is what he was referring to....
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Exactly, nowhere in there did I mention Boxer.....only that engine in the WRX.
What's my reasons? Well, 2.5l(a large capacity 4cyl) with turbocharging putting out 320Nm at nearly 3000rpm and 3600rpm in the earlier version???
C'mon.....there's turbocharged 4cyl putting out more torque at much lower revs, i.e. 1900rpm.
The Astra OPC has a smaller engine with the same torque as the WRX kicking in at 400rpm earlier.....Crap engineering if you ask me, especially since the entire point of a BOXER engine is more torque....(and lower COG and more balanced power etc.)
PS. It may be that the WRX torque curve is rather flat but only peaks at 2800rpm....even then....still shit.
Last edited by bornwild; 12th September 2007 at 03:41 PM.
That's what I was referring to as well - I asked "why is THE boxer shit?"
What... diesels?What's my reasons? Well, 2.5l(a large capacity 4cyl) with turbocharging putting out 320Nm at nearly 3000rpm and 3600rpm in the earlier version???
C'mon.....there's turbocharged 4cyl putting out more torque at much lower revs, i.e. 1900rpm.
The Astra OPC has a smaller engine with the same torque as the WRX kicking in at 400rpm earlier.....Crap engineering if you ask me, especially since the entire point of a BOXER engine is more torque....(and lower COG and more balanced power etc.)
PS. It may be that the WRX torque curve is rather flat but only peaks at 2800rpm....even then....still shit.
Congratulations to the OPC. Subaru would have engineered and designed the engine so it could do what it had to do - not win a pissing contest of peak torque and power.....
The OPC peak torque kicks in a WHOLE 400rpm earlier - fark me - I'd better hold on to the Jesus handle 0.3 of a second earlier in a VXR.... and you crap on about peak torque figures, and then say that the WRX torque curve is rather flat - well then who give a shit if peak torque comes in at 2800 rpm - its going to have quite smooth power delivery anyway.
WHen the 2.5 came in the MY06 model and the EJ20 was retired - power stayed the same and torque went up only 20Nm for 0.5L of extra engine. Why did Subaru did that? ****ed if I know, however I'm sure that since they are in the business of making cars, they would know what they were doing and not worry about some nobody on an internet forum calling their engines "factually shit" just because they didnt follow the traditional formula of more cubes = more power.
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It's all about driveability. Anyone got a graph of the torque curves of the 2L, 2.5L and current WRX engines?WHen the 2.5 came in the MY06 model and the EJ20 was retired - power stayed the same and torque went up only 20Nm for 0.5L of extra engine. Why did Subaru did that? ****ed if I know,
Of course the other point is that the OPC is equivalent to an STI Impreza (both the tuned hipo versions)
If you look at a "normal" Astra SRi Turbo you find the max Nm happens at 4200rpm for a figure of 262Nm. The WRX doesn't look so bad now does it?
You're correct about the driveability - the 2.5L basically got rid of the lag the WRX suffered from up until about 2700rpm with the 2.0L - however, having driven an 01 an 03 and my 05 - they did pretty well in the 05 to get rid of as much lag as possible.
But we're looking at it waaaay too deep rjastra - all that matters is who's got the biggest dick.
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Subaru WRX engines are shit... yeh awesome argument.
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Price-wise the WRX stacks up somewhere about the same as the VXR, not the Astra turbo.It's all about driveability. Anyone got a graph of the torque curves of the 2L, 2.5L and current WRX engines?
Of course the other point is that the OPC is equivalent to an STI Impreza (both the tuned hipo versions)
If you look at a "normal" Astra SRi Turbo you find the max Nm happens at 4200rpm for a figure of 262Nm. The WRX doesn't look so bad now does it?
No. Ford Focus ST....same sized engine....putting out 320Nm from 1800rpm to 4000rpm. All the other hot hatches have peak torque very early on as well.....except the Megane.
I said 'Maybe' it has a flat torque curve. Can't find any torque graphs so yeah..... and you crap on about peak torque figures, and then say that the WRX torque curve is rather flat - well then who give a shit if peak torque comes in at 2800 rpm - its going to have quite smooth power delivery anyway.
ohhh....and that 'nobody' knows the subaru boxer engine inside-out.
Anyhow, I agree with Entice fully.
P.S. I can't wait for the turbodiesel version of the Subaru boxer engine, which will be coming out 2008/2009.
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