$2000 goverment grant to convert car to LPG

[EL BURITO]

http://au.news.yahoo.com/060803/2/100ce.html

+ they also mentioned another $1000 to WA moterists to convert

[xplosv57]

Had this discussion at school today, this is dodgy b/c the tariffs for gas are about to be removed which means that tax will be increased and gas will become more expensive which will in turn take longer to recover money spent on gas conversion, if it can be recovered at all depending on how much gas is increased to!

[EL BURITO]

yerr i was aware the price of Gas is to go up when the tarrafs go but also wat ppl dont also rear is that u will not be able to get 91 ULP for 2 many more years, as that is all going to 95 as well.

[EL BURITO]

but with the $3000 offered to WA drivers means the conversion is practicaly free

[MatsHolden]

Good politics is all it is. Makes it look like they are doing something to combat the high price of oil, when they are going to actually be making money out of it.

[pred8r]

The price of LPG WILL go up.....oh and wait.....dont we pay other taxes on it as well as GST (where the 10% comes from the retail end not the initial buy price) so WHEN it goes up they will make more money?

Of course.....now i get it, they are doing it because not only is it enviromentally cleaner than petrol, but they are relieving the pressure on the earths crust....by releasing the 'nasty' underlying gasses that cause earthquakes.

All this just to save our planet....O H M Y G O D ! ! !

How noble of Mr Howard to put forward a scheme that a very few others wont gain (MASSIVE PROFITS) from and will just assist all of humanity.

I'm welling up with tears so much I cant see the screen.:rolleyes:

[Alfonzo]

I don't think so. I think it's quite silly.

What's this tariff go away stuff? It's not going away, they plan to add to it.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20105651-2,00.html


It is also understood the Government is examining the impact of its excise equalisation program on current LPG savings. The program - which makes certain fuels such as LPG exempt from the 38.5 a litre excise on petrol -- is set to introduce a tax on these fuels from 2012 which would wind back the benefits to motorists.
From that date, excise would be applied in yearly increments of 2.5 cents a litre until it reached a ceiling of 12.5 cents a litre in 2015.

LPG prices are currently what, 50 - 65c/L, right - and that's with current demand. Now what's going to happen to the price when demand is stepped up and supply is limited? Uuuup she goes. Add to that inflation, and come 2015 I'm willing to bet it'll be the roughly the same price as petrol.

Now most petrol stations I visit only have one LPG bowser too, so they'll probably want to look at fitting some more of them to cover this new demand. But they're probably not going to want to eat into their profits, right? So where's that cost coming from? The pockets of LPG users, hence pushing the price up.

TBH a $2000 or $3000 rebate sounds good, but it'll be eaten away so quick.. I'd prefer to keep my bootspace.

[pred8r]

I am thinking LPG will go up to 80% the price of petrol......just like it was a few of years ago.
It forced/made people upgrade to the little cars, ie the hyundai excel boom as their carbied LPG burners (early V? commodores and X? fords) were no longer economic to run.

[pred8r]

LPG prices are currently what, 50 - 65c/L, right - and that's with current demand.


Yep, taxi's and whats left of the 'old' cars, with the odd falcon thrown in for a mix.

[CJB]

but with the $3000 offered to WA drivers means the conversion is practicaly free
You also saw the bit though where there is like a 6 month waiting list to get this conversion?

I really would rather they look more into Bio-Fuels. Or, simply cut the 50 cent tax off petrol. At least until a more reliable source of petrol is found, or something can be done about the high costs.

The CPI is not going anywhere near the lastest petrol prices and interest rate rises.

Therefore everyone is sinking further and further into debt - people are losing homes, cars - and in the end, it's a nasty nasty cycle.

It's funny how fuel prices have such a large impact on other purchases... even food.

I know I don't buy groceries anymore - what money I would allocate for that, now goes into fuel.

There is no need for LPG to be sitting at the price it is now... especially when we get our own supply from the Bass Strait.

[beep beep sri]

do people actualy realise where gas comes from and where it goes? its sold from australia to china at a few cents per ltr then sold back to us. this is because the stupid aust government 10 or more years ago signed a contract to sell it to them for 20 years!

[rjastra]

I really would rather they look more into Bio-Fuels. Or, simply cut the 50 cent tax off petrol. At least until a more reliable source of petrol is found, or something can be done about the high costs.

That's the "I want my cake and eat it as well". Take the tax off petrol and there goes alot of government funding which they have to find elsewhere. It also sends the wrongh message to the public about a non-renewable resource.

Fact is petrol is going to remain high in price. Best to deal with it.


I know I don't buy groceries anymore - what money I would allocate for that, now goes into fuel.


Oh please... you'd rather pump petrol into a Lancer than eat? Priorities!!

[CJB]

That's the "I want my cake and eat it as well". Take the tax off petrol and there goes alot of government funding which they have to find elsewhere. It also sends the wrongh message to the public about a non-renewable resource.

Fact is petrol is going to remain high in price. Best to deal with it.



Oh please... you'd rather pump petrol into a Lancer than eat? Priorities!!
I didnt say I didnt eat, I said I had to cut back so I could put fuel in it - so I can get to where I need to go, to earn the money that pays for the petrol.

I have dealt with it, I fill up every week don't I?

Like I said, the CPI rise is nowhere near the sudden inflation of petrol. Our wages are not going up at the same speed petrol is - if they were, these "high prices" would be nothing.

[oneightoo]

simply cut the 50 cent tax off petrol. At least until a more reliable source of petrol is found, or something can be done about the high costs.

not an option..

take the tax away, what do you loose then? hospitals? roads? education? no government is willing to loose an election for that..

take the excess and gst away, other taxes go up, budget cuts for more important areas..

as it is, in the world, australia is one of the cheapest places to buy petrol..

[oneightoo]

I didnt say I didnt eat, I said I had to cut back so I could put fuel in it - so I can get to where I need to go, to earn the money that pays for the petrol.

I have dealt with it, I fill up every week don't I?

Like I said, the CPI rise is nowhere near the sudden inflation of petrol. Our wages are not going up at the same speed petrol is - if they were, these "high prices" would be nothing.

i wish housing went up with CPI too.. that way i could own a bazillion homes by now..

[Jackson]

Australia has over 60% of the entire worlds reserves of gas used for LPG, also a **** about 90% or something rediculous uranium.

that may have something to do with the idea !

[Clint]

i asked a friends dad last year about conversion to lpg as thats what his business specialises in and he said it would cost $2200, so $200 for a conversion would be pretty good, that included conversion and all necessary dyno tuning, etc

[blk_tyga]

my parents are contracted couriers and for a while now i've known that if you get an ABN then you can claim some expenses on tax, petrol for sure.... now i know its no solution, but it does help to recoup some losses...

there good thing about the ABN is that you dont have to have a business to obtain one, an ABN can be registered to a person, unfortunately i can't remember the price of it but i recall my parents saying that it was relatively cheap

[blk_tyga]

you can also claim on services for the car, lunches stationary etc.... like i said, having a lump payment quarterly can help get by but its no total solution

[Clint]

there good thing about the ABN is that you dont have to have a business to obtain one, an ABN can be registered to a person, unfortunately i can't remember the price of it but i recall my parents saying that it was relatively cheap

its actually free!

i applied for one a while back, friends of mine have them, my parents started a busniess not long ago so they got one, my girlfriend had to get one to buy material from certain shops for fashion design

[blk_tyga]

even better then.... i would suggest as many people do that and lodge quarterly BAS statements coz the govt rips us off every minute of every day, mite as well get some back while u can and where u can

[pred8r]

You guys seem to forget, the gas sits on top of tho oil, so it comes out first.

Also and most importantly, whatever is taken out of the ground us usually done by a HUGE multinational corp. not 'Australia'. They paid to get it out, THEY own it.

I look at it like this, which is the way they would;
If i have a puddle of water and 5 people dont. When i sell it to them, the MINIMUM price i sell it to ANYONE, is the MAXIMUM that ANY of those 5 will pay.
e.g. A bucket of water to one guy for $5 all the others want to pay $3, BAD LUCK, pay $5 or dont get water.

Let alone if there is only 6 of us with 90% of the puddles, we'd get together call ourselves WPEC and communicate between ourselves to find out who was buying water from who, what price and the maximum we could get, therefore setting the minimum price across the board.

Another way to look at it - Why MUST I sell my water to you at $3 when I CAN get $5 for it elsewhere?

Nothing personal, Just business.

[dustbug]

My opinion is....... GET A DIESEL!!!!

Petrol costs the same price yet you get double the amount of kms. There is no conversion cost and the LPG can't be too good for your car too.

+ Diesel has balls as many people don't know.

A mate bought the new VW Golf Mk5 and got the 1.9L Diesel. It rips my car off the line and hammers through 1st & 2nd gear but then the power starts to run out on 3rd. If the diesel in the astra was available to me when i bought my car, i wouldn't of hesitated to get it.

What does everyone thing of Diesel???

[CJB]

I dont like the noise... haha

but no, apart from that I have always thought Diesel cars were good. My folks use to have a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser, it had some balls (ok it was a 6) but yeah.

Plus Diesel engines are longer lasting.

[dustbug]

I dont like the noise... haha

but no, apart from that I have always thought Diesel cars were good. My folks use to have a Turbo Diesel Landcruiser, it had some balls (ok it was a 6) but yeah.

Plus Diesel engines are longer lasting.

Yes this is true, the only drawback i think that diesel has. But when in the vw golf, the only time you can hear the diesel is when the car is stationary, but then if you have the radio on at normal volume, you can't hear anything.

With the top of the range car makers, the diesel noise is quiet. The Merc CRD system is apparently the quietest diesel around which Jeep (now owns like 50% of Merc) uses in their diesels. And apparently the BMW is next in line for noise.

Otherwise i recomend that any of you go down to your local VW or Holden dealer and take a 1.9 diesel for a test drive and you'll be shocked!

So i don't see why the media are making this huge deal out of LPG where the prices will increase as mentioend in a previous post. Diesel is the way!

[CJB]

I dont understand why diesel is so exxy though, isnt it considered the "reject" fuel?


That's the whole reason my parents went diesel - because at the time (2000 - 2004) Diesel was cheaper then petrol.

I heard an Astra Diesel the other day - you could hear putting when it was still, but yeah otherwise goes ok. Could you put an exhaust on it? :D

[dustbug]

I dont understand why diesel is so exxy though, isnt it considered the "reject" fuel?


That's the whole reason my parents went diesel - because at the time (2000 - 2004) Diesel was cheaper then petrol.

I heard an Astra Diesel the other day - you could hear putting when it was still, but yeah otherwise goes ok. Could you put an exhaust on it? :D

I don't see why not. Any experts on here?

I think it is possible. Its just a difference engine but the exhaust would be the same i gather.

http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts-mufflers/20A50306A1.aspx

Anyone???

Oooo my mate wants to boost his turbo on his diesel too. Is this possible??

[Clint]

its not the companies that drill for the oil that bump up the prices and change the prices all the time, they sell it for a relatively constant price per barrel, its the refineries that bump up the price huge amounts, same deal as the way petrol and diesel change prices in relation to each other... if petrol goes up a certain amount diesel should go up the same, but it doesnt! once again refineries changing the price. the reason for this is when you take crude oil and refine it into its different parts, petroleum gas, petrol, kerosene, diesel, industrial fuel oil, lubricating oil, ummm asphalt, etc. you get a certain amount of each for the amount of crude oil, you dont sometimes get heaps of petrol and no diesel, and the costs of refining each fuel afterwards doesnt get more expensive, they're constantly improving the refining process making it cheaper.

its simply the fact of everyone needs fuels and oils, they refineries are the only ones to supply and can charge what they like, the perfect example when the cyclones hit up north, the fuel prices went up 20 cents overnight, the reason they said this was the impact caused by the cyclone, it has no affect what so ever on the fuel that we are currently using.

well i started watching futurama a while back got distracted, lost what i as saying so yea you get the idea lol

[oneightoo]

lol @ clint getting side tracked....

bio-diesel seems the way to go..

i remember seeing some dude on a current affairs program a little while ago, who has been making his own bio-diesel for some time.. works fine and costs him next to nothing to fill a tank..

[Clint]

lol @ clint getting side tracked....

bio-diesel seems the way to go..

i remember seeing some dude on a current affairs program a little while ago, who has been making his own bio-diesel for some time.. works fine and costs him next to nothing to fill a tank..


yea ive seen books or videos or something somewhere explaining exactly how to make your own bio diesel.

its not as good as regular diesel but hey it costs nothing so what do u expect?

[pred8r]

fish and chip oil(canola) is a good start, car exhaust smalls funny though.

EDIT: just incase someone is stoopid enough, there is another additive that you need, I just cant remember what it was. DO NOT USE STRAIGHT CANOLA OIL

[MatsHolden]

fish and chip oil(canola) is a good start, car exhaust smalls funny though.

Smells BBQ'y lol

[EL BURITO]

they make it Gero on the farms to save money

[rjastra]

Problem with diesel cars is the price.

Diesel Astra = 30K +ORC... You can get a 1.8L CD for 22K+ORC. You will NEVER recoup the difference in price.

Even VWs charge a 2000-2500 premium for the Golf Diesels. Do the sums and you have to drive alot of KMS to get your money back.

[oneightoo]

fish and chip oil(canola) is a good start, car exhaust smalls funny though.

EDIT: just incase someone is stoopid enough, there is another additive that you need, I just cant remember what it was. DO NOT USE STRAIGHT CANOLA OIL

isnt that the ingredient for two-stroke fuel??

i remember when i was kid my neighbour built a motorbike from a lawnmower, and we used cooking oil and something else for fuel..

[xplosv57]

Go Diesel!!
Diesel is the same price as petrol and gets a hell of alot more kays out of a tank, youll definetely recover the premium you pay for a new diesel!! Take an X5 3.0l diesel vs. X5 3.0l petrol as an example! 170kW/300nM petrol vs. 150kW/480nM diesel! Combined fuel cons. 12.7l/100km petrol (never seen it that low though) vs. 8.6l/100km diesel! Price difference (no options) $82400 petrol $84200 diesel! Ive seen diesel X5s get 1400km off 1 tank whereas petrol will be lucky to do 600km, id go for a diesel anyday!!

[EL BURITO]

yerr that is true but with the case pf the astra it is not.

but if we do see it in a coup i will probly get one