fight the high cost of petrol

[pred8r]

Mmmmm sequential LPG injection......minimal loss of power......$20/wk running costs again.....bliss.....oh and enviromentally friendly(ish)

http://www.lpg-kits.com/vauxhall.htm

The Z18XE (92kw version) is listed under the zafira section.

[EL BURITO]

corsa 1.3 came from the factory on gas. but endgine dosnt last as long and my boot is filled with amps

[MatsHolden]

That's the only thing with gas; detremental to the engine in the long term.

[pred8r]

Yes, and long term is what? 200k kms, by then its prolly due for work anyway.
The valves have more than likely hammered into the head anyway (which is what LPG does to non-hardened seats)

More to the point would you still have the car?

Hmm, 53cents per Km back on tax, claim the fuel, claim the conversion (or depreciate it) put that refund towards something special (VXR?)

[rjastra]

helllo... taxis!! they all run LPG and last for 400,000km+

What cars have unhardened valve seats nowadays? Thats ancient history

[cyclonic]

Or just tell your MP to stop ripping us in the arse on fuel taxes! 70% of the price of fuel is government taxes.

[MatsHolden]

Yeh bloody tax on a tax with petrol. The Governments excise and then GST on top of that.

[tmov81]

someone should kill john howard...

perhaps they could use kirsty as a training target...

i think that person should be crispy...

he should do it for opel-aus

he should do it for ipswich

he should do it for australia

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[tmov81]

MARTIAL ARTS GOOD!

JOHN HOWARD BAD!!!

KILL THE AUSTRALIAN PRIME MINISTER!!!!!

OBEY MY DOG!!!!!!!

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[Mr T]

A couple of things:

LPG does shorten the life of an engine if it is not specifically designed for it - like Fords dedicated gas engine.

Taxi's last 400K's + because they are always running and oil is always available at the top of the engine. Most engine wear happens when the engine is cold and more specifically when there is no oil in all the right places.

[pred8r]

Like i said earlier, if it shortened the life to under 100k, I wouldnt touch it(or change car at 70k).
OTOH if its around 200k then itll prolly need rings and other misc stuff too (using that logic, using petrol shortens its life too).
It also depends on how long you keep the car, if you dont plan on having it for a long time why spend the extra money on petrol?

[MatsHolden]

someone should kill john howard...


lol Doesn't matter what government is in office, they won't change it.

[beep beep sri]

A couple of things:

Taxi's last 400K's + because they are always running and oil is always available at the top of the engine. Most engine wear happens when the engine is cold and more specifically when there is no oil in all the right places.

hmm debatable. depending on who you talk to they will tell you different things. personaly i dont think taxi's last any longer than any other vehicle of the same type. ive been in taxis that have done 900000km and asked them what has been done and most of the time they say "head rebuild, auto rebuilt and usualy mottor rebuilt atleast once or twice. there are some still on the original mottors but they are the lucky ones. i have a guy that comes threw work in a dirty old vn v6 ute on gas (id never have a v6 on gas) and its done almost 500000km and still runs like clockwork. also when using gas remember that you use more litres to the 100km than petrol.

[DirtyHarry]

not unless you have injected gas then its close to original consumption.

[pred8r]

when using gas remember that you use more litres to the 100km than petrol.
yes but its 1/3rd the cost so you could use 3 times the amount before you broke even. The old systems SEEM to get around 2/3rds the distance to the same amount of fuel. Since there is little info on LPG injection you would assume it would be an improvement in economy and power over the 'burner ring' styles.

Id still be happy with a $20 fill up rather than a $60, once a week.

Its interesting....15years of bad press on lpg and its benefits get overlooked. Why? because itll shorten engine life and uses more fuel. Theres little HARD evidence (except for usage) on this except for 'people know of people who've had it happen' and 'they say.....'.

When my 308 was rebuilt it had cracked one head between 3 valve pairs, between one pair on the other, both had the valves hammered into the head and it had ONLY ever been run on petrol.
Of all the cars I know of, the LPG ones are on par for dying as with the petrol ones, but in saying that NONE has ever been owned long enough to physically die from any cause (inc. my mums HZ which was on LPG for 15years, was rebuilt once and which you would EXPECT on a 30yo daily driver. Got traded for $500 on a Lantra Wagon, also now traded)


The 'stigma' against lpg is what the fuel companies and everyone else who makes money from petrol wants, if they mark up by percentage they will make SO much more from a more expensive fuel....stuff the enviroment.

[Dave]

hmm lpg powerd astra you say hmmm.............considering my astra feels underpowerd ( prob all in my head ) id want equal performance.:p