Commowhore vs Astra ;)

[NUTTTR]

In light of all the street racing things, i thought today i'd *accellerate up to the speed limit in a rather rushed fashion* a commodore wagon (i'm pretty sure it was an acclaim/exec VY auto V6) up a nice steep hill (it's a 100 zone and the hill is steep enough!) we were side by side at the lights, i didn't get a good start, starting at only 2,000rpm, end of first gear, side by side, end of second gear his front bumper was DEFINATELY behind my rear bumper, when i hit third almost flat shifting i was gone (100km/h)..... I'd hazard a guess i was over a second ahead of him.... From ref i think the auto commy's do the 0-100 in 8sec? or is it 8.5sec? Whatever it was i was well ahead of him, not 1.5sec, but somewhere between 1-1.5sec...
Anyone know some exact specs? i was pushing it hard and so was he, the hill is decently steep and i was surprised i got up it so quick!!!
Hail the 2.2 astra ;)
Aaron

[Bernard Siong]

i got the 1.8 i know so sad
but i beat my mates 04 corolla and that was suppose to b 100kw... i thinks mines like 85 or sumfing
both auto... but still fun coz i beat him ahaha

[1OPL2C]

yeh the 1.8 astra beats the 04 corollas..
the 100kw rollas dont have much torque untill 4600rpm..
always race my m8's rolla and always win .. once u get to 2nd gear your already half car length in front and after that the rolla jst cant catch up

[Namus]

bak to the point.....how do u know the station wagon wasn't carrying anything hence making the car slower.....i'm not disputing any point of ur story...i just want to put a realistic spin on things....the ecotec auto v6 is piece of s*** anyway lol

[Brett]

motor says 8.8 sec for normal commodore i think, and above 9 for the SRI, you must be quite the driver, or perhaps motor just cant drive at all haha

[SRIisME]

Aaron, i tihnk you are tlaking the biggest kuk i have ever heard. Mate youse must be on viagra or sumthing, cause hwat you ahve typed about ur astra is the biggest load of ........ known to man kind. maybe that happened against a mazda protege???? not a commodore.!

[Namus]

there are a lot of circumstances which must be confirmed...like i said b4...

[Brett]

Is that an auto corolla vs auto astra?

[SRIisME]

in talking about this commodore verse astra sri, i have actually heard that the new barina sri is quicker than the astra sri. i guess that means the astra sri is pretty slow, no torque and a gutless road hogg! unlucky for you with the astra sri

[SRIisME]

gaan kuk in da millies

[woody]

can we try and keep it in english or at least with some semblance to the english language... and also with some fact in it. SRi 2.2 nice car i should know got one myself - as for pushing against a commodore - i wouldn't say there was any untruth in Nuttrs statement - almost had a commodore myself the other day. can't claim to know the model but i'm guessing if mine wasn't an auto i'd have done much the same as nutter, I was only a front wing behind as we hit 100.

[SRIisME]

your all gorfles

[SRIisME]

mate u have an auto sri astra and u rekon u kept up with commodore?? come on isnt this a serious website?? you have to be joking, a commodore would see you in the rear view mirror after reaching 50km/hr!!!!

[CAL.16V]

a good driver would take on a common**** any day in an sri...

9secs to 100 is bull cos i witnessed a stock 1.8 astra do a flat 9 sec 0-100 gtech run

[ultim8DTM5]

WTF is a "gorfles?" :screwy:

[woody]

i don't reckon.. i know.. i'm not saying it was a SS or an SSS (in fact i believe i refrained from stating a model at all) but thats what happened - if you don't believe it then thats your issue not one i need to be concerned about.

[SRIisME]

next your going to tell me that a 1.4 barina can beat a commodore or an astra turbo? ???

[SRIisME]

ii recon an sri would loose to a nissal pulsar, or even loose to an mazda protege. An echo would demolish it for sure !

[ultim8DTM5]

It can, if
a) there are L plates on the Commodore/Astra Turbo
b) the Commodore/Astra Turbo didn't know they were racing the Barina :mrgreen:

[Brett]

echoes are quick, I Raced one yesterday on my mountain bike, it was a hard race but it won in the end :mrgreen:

[SRIisME]

I AHVE A MATE WHO HAS 550 KW AT THE WHEELS IN HIS ECHO, ITS AWESOME, would ur sri still beat that ? ? :evil:

[Brett]

Hahaha 550kw Echo, that has to be the funniest thing ive ever heard, my mountain bike has 200kws, ill give him a run

[Brett]

Hahaha 550kw Echo, that has to be the funniest thing ive ever heard, my mountain bike has 200kws, ill give him a run

[SRIisME]

hes sending his echo to west coast customs in america next week for them to put in the sound system, change suspensions and wheels ot handle the power.

[ultim8DTM5]

hes sending his echo to west coast customs in america next week for them to put in the sound system, change suspensions and wheels ot handle the power.


Ahhhh yeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssss

[Rhino]

Get it on topic and smarten up please everybody, or this topic will be locked also.

[astro boy]

a good driver would take on a common**** any day in an sri...

9secs to 100 is bull cos i witnessed a stock 1.8 astra do a flat 9 sec 0-100 gtech run
I prefer to believe the figures listed by Magazines who have set guidlines for measuring 0-100 times and use machine such as the Correvit which cost $12000 as apposed to the $300 dollars of gtech.

[lowey22]

true, but each car is unique, they might have the same specs but still drive differently...

also it comes down to the driver, if u get a good take off, etc... ive beaten cars that i wouldnt think i would and ive only got a 1.8.

all i can say is: wel done aaron! go the astra!

[Namus]

yeah keep it on topic....as for the 550kW Echo....u got dyno sheets u can post up? haven't even heard of one let alone seen one in the magazines or anything....

another thing guys; it also depends on the conditions (obviously) like wet surface, surface traction etc etc

[dazza015]

Ill i can say is

Corsa SRi vs 1998 Vt Commodore Executive to 110kph - the Corsa had 1 and a half car lengths over the Commodore.

This test was performed 3 times in different conditions to prove the result :mrgreen:

Mr Commodore & Friend Couldnt Beleive it :lol:

[Turblue]

The Username "SRIisME" has been banned from this forum.

Posting such crap is not going to be tolerated.

He has done nothing constructive in the short time (since Jan 31) and has basically been troublesome and abusive. It seems that this user has only joined to cause problems.

All ip addresses for every single post have been logged, and it is easy to discover if people have logged back under a new name. We will be watching....

So, let's forget the dribble, and get on with it huh..???? :)

[Namus]

Well done Turblue....i was gonna pm u suggesting the same thing....

[break]

I've killed two RB30 VL commys in my stocko '01 Barina.

The more satisfying of the two involved a wagon with exhaust, chopped springs, monster tacho, and no head rests so the guys in it could wear thier hats backwards :lol:

Also managed to kill a friends 105kw Galant GSR twice, once in the wet... then a week later in the dry :lol:

Go the shopping trolley! :P

[joe]

Yeah well done that guys is a ****ing idiot loser prob some leb gook ****wit , iv got a opel astra my self 1.8 16 vale auto and it kicks arse got it when they just came out to australia step 1999 opelized it 2001 dose any one know what the 16 vale means like i see 18. astras but it dosnt say 16 vale after the 1.8?

[Namus]

yeah it does....mines the same 1.8 auto....

[NUTTTR]

Anyway, thanks for keeping the topic clean and mature....

Anyway, the 9+ sec is for the AUTO sri.......
The SRi 2.2L in manual is LISTED as 8.2sec on vaux website, and i've seen videos of a manual one (i'm sure everyone's seen it, i've got it SOMEWHERE) doing it in 7.5sec with pod filter (i think) and exhaust system through...
And the commy was empty as he went past me at the lights and i looked through the window into the back, unless there was something hidden under the side :) The commy was quick, don't get me wrong, the Barina SRi's are quick too in manual, light car, 1.8L, makes it moooove :) However, technically, the 2.2 should be "easier" to make more power from it, but being lighter the barina will always have that upper hand :)
I wasn't trying to say i did a 6 sec flat 0-100 up a hill, it's a steep hill, it was no where near that, but it shows the astra's torque works quite well for it giving it the same gains up hill as it does on a flat... I didn't go past 100 but once i hit 3rd i had him big time :D lol
Thaks for keeping the topic civilised too guys... Glad that other guy's banned now.....
550kw echo?! Wow, i'll take that on!! Ride on lawnmower style
Aaron

[NUTTTR]

a good driver would take on a common**** any day in an sri...

9secs to 100 is bull cos i witnessed a stock 1.8 astra do a flat 9 sec 0-100 gtech run
I prefer to believe the figures listed by Magazines who have set guidlines for measuring 0-100 times and use machine such as the Correvit which cost $12000 as apposed to the $300 dollars of gtech.

The actual spec for the manual 1.8 is VERY close to that i believe.... 9.2sec from memory....
Oh and the SRi doesn't (despite popular belief) need a gearchange to hit 100km/h, according to calculations of gear ratio, etc it should hit 6,300 (or was it 6250, i can't remember) in second and be doing 98km/h, push it a little harder (just past the redline) and bang, 100, no gearchange :)
Aaron

[Anonymous]

a good driver would take on a common**** any day in an sri...

9secs to 100 is bull cos i witnessed a stock 1.8 astra do a flat 9 sec 0-100 gtech run
I prefer to believe the figures listed by Magazines who have set guidlines for measuring 0-100 times and use machine such as the Correvit which cost $12000 as apposed to the $300 dollars of gtech.

The actual spec for the manual 1.8 is VERY close to that i believe.... 9.2sec from memory....
Oh and the SRi doesn't (despite popular belief) need a gearchange to hit 100km/h, according to calculations of gear ratio, etc it should hit 6,300 (or was it 6250, i can't remember) in second and be doing 98km/h, push it a little harder (just past the redline) and bang, 100, no gearchange :)
Aaron

Spot on Aaron :D

[joe]

whatrs the differance the new astra classic and some old astra's 1.8 mine says 1.8 16 vale and some just say 1.8 ????

[mr_astra_retired]

whatrs the differance the new astra classic and some old astra's 1.8 mine says 1.8 16 vale and some just say 1.8 ????

Joe its 16 VALVE as in 16 valves per cylinder . They are all 16 valve

[Wallacesword]

Now children....children...please! Do your Moms n Dads know you are out so late? :)

[break]

a good driver would take on a common**** any day in an sri...

9secs to 100 is bull cos i witnessed a stock 1.8 astra do a flat 9 sec 0-100 gtech run
I prefer to believe the figures listed by Magazines who have set guidlines for measuring 0-100 times and use machine such as the Correvit which cost $12000 as apposed to the $300 dollars of gtech.But there is one big factor your not taking into account... the driver!

Many people bitch and moan that wheels and motor can't drag cars.... and to be honest.... they arn't that great. Sure they have some top notch drivers that do articles for them, but most of those guys are situated in europe testing exotics... not testing your 2.2L Astra 'hot hatch'.

Always take performance of a car with a grain of salt, because a car will only ever be as fast as the driver.

I mean, Archie (from MazFix) can run a 6.98 @ 203mph in the 20B Beretta.... I'd probably be lucky to do single digits *if* I even managed to get it off the starting line. :P

[rjastra]

Oh and the SRi doesn't (despite popular belief) need a gearchange to hit 100km/h,

My Sri must have different gearing as it wont reach 100km/h in 2nd gear.
Take into consideration that speedos over estimate speed then there is no way in hell an Astra Sri can reach 100km/h in 2nd :wink:

[NUTTTR]

Oh and the SRi doesn't (despite popular belief) need a gearchange to hit 100km/h,

My Sri must have different gearing as it wont reach 100km/h in 2nd gear.
Take into consideration that speedos over estimate speed then there is no way in hell an Astra Sri can reach 100km/h in 2nd :wink:

My car rev's to about 6,500rpm (which is the max i've ever taken it, definately over red line!!!) and it DOES keep going, taking into account speedo error i calculated mine is out by 2km/h at 100km/h... Meaning it shows 100 and i'm doing 98.... Thats when i hit the rev limiter, it DOES rev past it, just not fast, you are better off (if doing a 0-100 run) in keeping it going rather than changing gear as that wastes valuble time... The 0-60mph is 0-98km/h, that's how vaux got their 8.2 sec for the 0-60....i have to push another 2km/h out of it and that's it.....
Mine's a manual - auto's definately have different gearing!
Aaron

[break]

My limited hits HARD and won't let me go even a smidge above it (6,500rpm in my '01 Barina).

[NUTTTR]

in first gear it hits hard, but it goes past it :) second it is much easier :) No more power though, really cuts back bigtime!

[Rhino]

whatrs the differance the new astra classic and some old astra's 1.8 mine says 1.8 16 vale and some just say 1.8 ????

Joe its 16 VALVE as in 16 valves per cylinder . They are all 16 valve

They just decided to badge the cars differently, the machanics are all the same.

Steve, how about 4 valves per cylinder? 16 per engine.

16 per cylinder = octocam :lol:

[GOZOFF]

Joe its 16 VALVE as in 16 valves per cylinder . They are all 16 valve

Ha..Ha..LMAO good find Rhino :lol: So tell us Steven? Hmmm... must be the turbo's cause I only got 4 valves per cylinder not 16 ha..ha.. :oops:

[astro boy]

Anyway, thanks for keeping the topic clean and mature....

Anyway, the 9+ sec is for the AUTO sri.......
The SRi 2.2L in manual is LISTED as 8.2sec on vaux website, and i've seen videos of a manual one (i'm sure everyone's seen it, i've got it SOMEWHERE) doing it in 7.5sec with pod filter (i think) and exhaust system through...
And the commy was empty as he went past me at the lights and i looked through the window into the back, unless there was something hidden under the side :) The commy was quick, don't get me wrong, the Barina SRi's are quick too in manual, light car, 1.8L, makes it moooove :) However, technically, the 2.2 should be "easier" to make more power from it, but being lighter the barina will always have that upper hand :)
I wasn't trying to say i did a 6 sec flat 0-100 up a hill, it's a steep hill, it was no where near that, but it shows the astra's torque works quite well for it giving it the same gains up hill as it does on a flat... I didn't go past 100 but once i hit 3rd i had him big time :D lol
Thaks for keeping the topic civilised too guys... Glad that other guy's banned now.....
550kw echo?! Wow, i'll take that on!! Ride on lawnmower style
AaronRemember, they measure 0-60mph and not 0-100kpm and everyone says to add 0.5-1 second to what a manufacturer claims to get the real figure. So it would be closer to the high 8s and low 9s.
The astra turbo has the same gear ratios as the sri (except 5th) and has a higher redline but I still used to need shift to third in order to hit 100kph

[Namus]

1.8 auto redlines exactly at 5 grand....u ease it on nicely it'll give u 6 grand max.....note: 1.8l auto showing 100km/h on the dial is only travelling at 95...

[Rhino]

I can get a hundy out of 2nd gear... in 6.2secs :D

[NUTTTR]

Yup, claimed turbo times were, what 7sec or something stupid, stock ones do a lot lower than that..... Likewise with the 2.2L, they were all overrated for insurance levels in the uk :)

[daopeliser]

a commodore would kill u, u wouldnt stand a chance with ur lil 4cyl

[AndiesRefuge]

....
/me know owns a VZ Commodore...
sorry kids.

[NUTTTR]

Yup... Sure....
A V8 yes, a supercharged, yes, the new V6 is aparantly fassst... not sure, haven't driven one... should go find out..... The 1.8 would be had by a commo (vy and before), however the 2.2 does beat them..... i don't know who you are racing against, but an 8.5sec 0-100 or so does prove it.... I should time it :D Find out!
Aaron

[Namus]

i've run dead even (in my auto 1.8l) with many a V6 commy (up to VX)...

[Namus]

VZ would MOST DEFINATELY be better though; drive by electronic throttle not wire (thus increasing responsiveness) and alloy engine....

[NUTTTR]

VZ would MOST DEFINATELY be better though; drive by electronic throttle not wire (thus increasing responsiveness) and alloy engine....

More power is probably the biggest factor there though!

[Namus]

no i'd have to dispute that....yes it would play a part; but not the biggest....as has been said in another thread; it's a lot to do with delivery not overall dyno numbers etc......the electronic throttle and alloy engine would play the biggest part....other factors would be the reconfigured manual they put in and the AISIN five speed automatic goin in either late in the VZ range or in the first of the VE platform

[Rhino]

VZ would MOST DEFINATELY be better though; drive by electronic throttle not wire (thus increasing responsiveness) and alloy engine....
The SV6 has the 190kw alloytech engine. Yes that would kick some but.

Your standard commo however has a 17?kw, alloy donk, but it does have to move more car and I do think it would be very even.

[Namus]

175kW for standard engine....something bout not opening the throttle body all the way or something (?) stops the extra 15kW

[astra_city]

My 1.8 Manual Astra has beaten a number of commodores now, as well as new corollas, among other cars that you would think should be quicker. I beat a VY commodore that had a full HSV bodykit on it by nearly a car length not long ago, haha it was pretty funny, coz when I first saw it I thought it was an HSV :P

Also, my brother was in our VY Berlina wagon and we had an in gear drag (starting below the speed limit of course) and the astra pulled ahead pretty damn easily. Even more of a difference than off the lights.

[Vectracious]

:shock:

Anyway, one day I was in my Dads VX Berlina, and my mate was in his 5-speed 1.8 Astra Equipe. Up to about 120, I was only about half a car length ahead in the Berlina. So if the 1.8 Astra can keep up to that extent, the 2.2 should have no probs taking on a 147/152kW Commo.....

[zoidberg]

G'day all

I work for Holden. The Astra Turbo is the 2nd quickest Holden, the only thing that can beat it is the MANUAL Manaro.

As for the whole Astra against Ecotec commodore thing. I believe it 100% because the 1.8L astra is in front of the commodore until about 80 - 90kms/h (on flat ground that is). so im sure the 2.2L can handle it.

The 4speed auto in the commodores are shit. well previous to VZ anway, In the current model, holden has finally got it right.

[NUTTTR]

Half the post was not necessarily about the astra being faster than the commodore (partly, of course) but mostly that i beat it easy up a pretty steep hill, which i found impressive! :)
Good to hear some people agree :)
Aaron

[Namus]

yeah good ol clunky four sp auto commy's...

[Namus]

HAHA!!!! Story of my own to tell about a couple of drags i had tonight against a Proton Satria GTI (16v)....

Pulled up behind this Satria at the lights; notice that it has big three/four inch tip (one of those carbon mufflers available from Hurricane i believe; in black). Not much traffic so i pull to the left to get a look from diagonally behind and see it also has 18/19 inch chromes and lowered...standard loud-as rice zorst note....

Neway, he gets stuck behind a slow-ass falcon and i go past and he notices and immediately pulls in behind me and bak in front of the falcon; so by the next set of lights we're sitting beside eachother.

I have my windows half way down and notice him looking at me and when i look over he simply looks away and revs his engine hard.....so i take this as my cue....as it has been close to two months since i last raced i decided why not? just for laughs....not like me and my four speed 1.8l auto are goin anywhere quickly...

Wat happens next completely surprised me to say the least.....

I blew him away!!! by the time 2nd gear had elapsed (around the 70km/h mark) i already had AT LEAST 1.5 car lengths on him....we did this for the next three sets of lights and same result everytime.....the car did it comfortably too; not too much engine stress (granted it's an auto)....along the freeway (for all those in the know; this was along Kessels road b4 the freeway), he tried to pull away but the rolling acceleration of my car was simply sublime.....

while this result put a smile on my dial, i'm still very aware that 9.5/10 cars will still beat me....but damn, i just couldn't believe it!!!

anyone got specs on the satria?

[CAL.16V]

106 kw or thereabouts..

around 1050kg and 1.8ltr

i beat em in th cally easily but should have blitzed ya..

they do 0-100 in bid 8's i think

good goin

[Rhino]

175kW for standard engine....something bout not opening the throttle body all the way or something (?) stops the extra 15kW
If they are drive-by-wire throttle then it would be controlled electronically, but yes, I'd say it is just an ECU limitation.

[Rhino]

G'day all

I work for Holden. The Astra Turbo is the 2nd quickest Holden, the only thing that can beat it is the MANUAL Manaro.

As for the whole Astra against Ecotec commodore thing. I believe it 100% because the 1.8L astra is in front of the commodore until about 80 - 90kms/h (on flat ground that is). so im sure the 2.2L can handle it.

The 4speed auto in the commodores are **moderated**. well previous to VZ anway, In the current model, holden has finally got it right.
I've tried against numerous SS commos and haven't managed to beat any?

And my SRiT has had work.

Their's too maybe... but I've had no luck none-the-less.

[Namus]

always wondered how that match up would go....

[astra_city]

The Alloytec 175 is a little more different to the 190kw one than that I think. For example with the continuously variable cam timing, the 175kw engine only has it on the inlet instead of both exhaust and inlet like the 190kw. I also think it is rev limited lower.

[Brett]

Never had problems with SS commodores, or xr6 turbos, ran a mustang cobra the other day, was no problem either. Strange to hear that you havent beaten an SS

[SXXXI]

I have a 1.8L 5 speed and i beat a VT commodore (auto) with 3 ppl in the car and the air cond on. The commodore had no passengers either.

[Gildo]

sorry to say but i dont really know wat you guys are on about.....my mate has a 1.8L (manual) astra and my bro has a VY (auto) V6.
we raced em and the astra got shat on and i was in the astra n he had a good pull off and changes.
sounds a bit suss to me

[Brett]

yeh i thought the Vy autos at 152kw EEC were quite quick for a 6 off the lights

[SXXXI]

Guess it all comes down to the driver huh!!

[Brett]

is a magna 3.5 quicker then a commo?

[Gildo]

id luv to put you next to my mates 1.8L so you can shrink his head....he keeps going on about how he cant beat a comy cause its in a different class.
mabes you could teach him a thing or 2
heheheh
nice work

[SXXXI]

I'm pretty sure that yeah a magna is quicker than a commodore

[Brett]

anyone raced magna 3.5s?

[gaero]

I have a 1.8L 5 speed and i beat a VT commodore (auto) with 3 ppl in the car and the air cond on. The commodore had no passengers either.

Thats cause the commo was mesmerized by the ur Sxy Astra :)

[NUTTTR]

Never raced a magna, raced a falcon wagon tonight (like, 2001 model?) nothing in the back again (looked ;)) beat him to the end of first and midway through second when i heard him back right off, lol

[sir-sri]

My girlfriends brother in law has a VY wagon and I can take it by about a barina length in my barina sri up to ~80k's ( We only did a couple of runs to there, he's a pussy :D )

Power to weight the commodore should be better, but by the time you consider the auto tranny and the short gearing of the barina, it's quicker to launch and run up to those sorts of speeds. As per the other thread the Barina & Astra SRi's are fairly similar so I think your about right. Once you get up into higher speeds it may be another story I'm not sure.

[astra_city]

sorry to say but i dont really know wat you guys are on about.....my mate has a 1.8L (manual) astra and my bro has a VY (auto) V6.
we raced em and the astra got shat on and i was in the astra n he had a good pull off and changes.
sounds a bit suss to me

I'm, and I'm sure all others, are just posting what has happened in my experience. I have dragged quite a few commodores, and have beaten all of them except ones when I got a really bad launch. I don't know what would happen at 120km/h+, but I've been half a car in front minimum, sometimes more, with every commodore I've dragged. And like I said, in gear drags against my step mum's VY Berlina the astra pulled ahead relatively easy (from 80km/h onwards...)

Anyway no big deal :) Most of it comes down to launch technique anyway!

[NUTTTR]

sorry to say but i dont really know wat you guys are on about.....my mate has a 1.8L (manual) astra and my bro has a VY (auto) V6.
we raced em and the astra got shat on and i was in the astra n he had a good pull off and changes.
sounds a bit suss to me

I'm, and I'm sure all others, are just posting what has happened in my experience. I have dragged quite a few commodores, and have beaten all of them except ones when I got a really bad launch. I don't know what would happen at 120km/h+, but I've been half a car in front minimum, sometimes more, with every commodore I've dragged. And like I said, in gear drags against my step mum's VY Berlina the astra pulled ahead relatively easy (from 80km/h onwards...)

Anyway no big deal :) Most of it comes down to launch technique anyway!

Half the reason this is such a "big" public thing is because some (possibly 20%) of the commy drivers reckon they are the fastest things on the road, and usually drive like it.... These are usually the noisy ones with loud stereos, and exhausts, etc :)
That's part of the "acheivement" beating someone in "just an astra" as people say :) Gives you a warm tingly feeling!!
Aaron

[astra_city]

haha spot on NUTTR :D
That's why it's even more fun for us drivers in the 'it's only an astra I'll whip that juice bottle" when we beat them :P

[shaohaok]

HAHA!!!! Story of my own to tell about a couple of drags i had tonight against a Proton Satria GTI (16v)....

Pulled up behind this Satria at the lights; notice that it has big three/four inch tip (one of those carbon mufflers available from Hurricane i believe; in black). Not much traffic so i pull to the left to get a look from diagonally behind and see it also has 18/19 inch chromes and lowered...standard loud-as rice zorst note....

Neway, he gets stuck behind a slow-ass falcon and i go past and he notices and immediately pulls in behind me and bak in front of the falcon; so by the next set of lights we're sitting beside eachother.

I have my windows half way down and notice him looking at me and when i look over he simply looks away and revs his engine hard.....so i take this as my cue....as it has been close to two months since i last raced i decided why not? just for laughs....not like me and my four speed 1.8l auto are goin anywhere quickly...

Wat happens next completely surprised me to say the least.....

I blew him away!!! by the time 2nd gear had elapsed (around the 70km/h mark) i already had AT LEAST 1.5 car lengths on him....we did this for the next three sets of lights and same result everytime.....the car did it comfortably too; not too much engine stress (granted it's an auto)....along the freeway (for all those in the know; this was along Kessels road b4 the freeway), he tried to pull away but the rolling acceleration of my car was simply sublime.....

while this result put a smile on my dial, i'm still very aware that 9.5/10 cars will still beat me....but damn, i just couldn't believe it!!!

anyone got specs on the satria?

is that the one with the chrome altezza tail-lights and all the stickers on it and really fat jap cans at the back? i had fun with him along mains road leading to the freeway, too :p

[Namus]

i don't know about the tezza lights mate sorry....one one exhuast....licence is OWC 20 i;m pretty sure off memory...no too many stickers i could see, but it was at night and as i was leading most of the way well.... :P thought those things would be faster.....

[Brett]

Anyone raced the Falcon XT with 182kw, apparently those drill commodores by along way?

[Namus]

wouldn't be a long way.....depends which commodores.....all falcons weigh close to or over 1800kg....it take at least third to beat the commy (VY/VZ).....

[Brett]

from what motor says they can run 7.5 secs 0-100 (in auto) and blitz the commodore vy, dunno about the vz. It ran like a 15.4 aswell, thats going to kill a 16.2 sec commy

[Namus]

yeah quad cam aren't they...?

[Brett]

yeh i think so, not too bad for an aussie made 6

[shaohaok]

i don't know about the tezza lights mate sorry....one one exhuast....licence is OWC 20 i;m pretty sure off memory...no too many stickers i could see, but it was at night and as i was leading most of the way well.... :P thought those things would be faster.....

haha, that's the one.

[low astra]

i dont know if i would beat a V6 commodore down the strip but i can beat them down the highway evan my mate with a VP SS was upset with how well i went and im only in a 1.8 manual sxi

[16vopl]

the car did it comfortably too; not too much engine stress (granted it's an auto)....
can an auto be compared to a manual? with the better launch and closely matched cars i dunno if its fair?

ive beaten my fair share of commodores in my cali aswell as other cars; a new vrx and integra, just crap drivers i spose but most get the satisfaction of a 'win' when i stop at the speed limit.
they all have to do atleast 20ks more (once they have caught up etc) and pass me just for the hell of it.

[Brett]

Id like to see a astra sri run a 206gti

[Namus]

i don't know about the tezza lights mate sorry....one one exhuast....licence is OWC 20 i;m pretty sure off memory...no too many stickers i could see, but it was at night and as i was leading most of the way well.... :P thought those things would be faster.....

haha, that's the one.

yeah sorry it's a silver one i forgot to say.....wat a loser....a 2.2l astra and even ur car mate woulda smashed him by at least a semi-trailer length.....haha....

that's another thing i don't understand....why do ppl keep going after u've been beaten..? if i've lost (which happens most of the time) i don't keep goin just to overtake him....just stupid

[mrbenno]

206GTi = 1/4 mile in 16.4 seconds, 100kW @ 6000rpm

[shaohaok]

206GTi = 1/4 mile in 16.4 seconds, 100kW @ 6000rpm

where did u get that from?

i think the 206GTi is a bit quicker than the SRi tho.

[shaohaok]

i don't know about the tezza lights mate sorry....one one exhuast....licence is OWC 20 i;m pretty sure off memory...no too many stickers i could see, but it was at night and as i was leading most of the way well.... :P thought those things would be faster.....

haha, that's the one.

yeah sorry it's a silver one i forgot to say.....wat a loser....a 2.2l astra and even ur car mate woulda smashed him by at least a semi-trailer length.....haha....

that's another thing i don't understand....why do ppl keep going after u've been beaten..? if i've lost (which happens most of the time) i don't keep goin just to overtake him....just stupid

"...even ur car..." thanks mate :D


sometimes ppl do the "fly-by" is coz they were catching u and didn't see your brake lights or if u just lifted off the gas pedal and they think they were catching u.

or maybe it's just the fighting spirit!! :p

[low astra]

maybe its just the bad looser coming out in someone who dosn't know how to drive

[mrbenno]

206GTi = 1/4 mile in 16.4 seconds, 100kW @ 6000rpm

where did u get that from?

i think the 206GTi is a bit quicker than the SRi tho.

http://peugeot.com.au/PEUGEOT/AU/resources/documents/chooseyourpeugeot/206_pricing_spec.pdf

The GTi 180 has 130kw @ 7000rpm

[Jass]

The GTI is quicker on the bends , i must admit those cars handle like go karts, but the in straight line the astra with the earlly boost gets on top of the GTI.

Ive run a few of this GTI's before, there quick, they would make an awsome little car to throw around wakefield. :mrgreen:

[Namus]

yeah the one i raced was dumped, and goin around bends (i slipped bak behind him) his car wasn't moving/rolling a small bit.... :shock:

[zoidberg]

About the new alloytec engines in the commodores, the 190kw has variable inlet and exhaust valve timing and a variable length inlet manifold where as the 175kw motor only has variable inlet timing. the 190kw engines will rev upto 6700rpm easily (even though the red line on the tacho says 5700rpm, i guess holdens to tight to make new instrument cluster's)

the 175kw motor is electronicaly limited to 6100rpm and the only reason is that the the transmision can't handle anything above that.

[Dave]

I had a classic example of this one night, old VN commonwhore, the dude driveing it thaught his car was top shit, It was chipped, ported and flowed heads, extractors, dumped, rims you name it.

Any way, on the highway droped into third, took him by a car length, we did this about 5 times.......


Pulled into maccas he was swearing and cursing etc going wtf is that turbo'd etc...... My reply was nah mate its a stock as bog 1.8l astra :cool:


He didnt like it to say the least, some time later he had gone out and spent another grand or so on his commonwhore to make it go faster bigger throttle body etc......

he did end up beating me in the end, but only after he had spent more then what the car was worth to begin with on his engine.......

[Huhness]

I AHVE A MATE WHO HAS 550 KW AT THE WHEELS IN HIS ECHO, ITS AWESOME, would ur sri still beat that ? ?

[Shaun]

Whos rehashing old threads... yeap things are getting boring round here again.

[Keep'emRunning]

gotta agree.. regularly give vp/vr/vs a run for $$ in the 1.8 5sp. VN's aren't a bother (most of them are clapped out anyway hahah)

Recently got totally shamed by a debadged 323mps (who I later found lives a few doors down from my parents & is owned by a solicitor)

Crikeys those are quick machines :o

BTW a dutch guy at work had a pug gti180 and it was a pita to drive in the traffic.. all the power was way up high. He traded it on a stock 307 and say's it's a much better drive.

Clio Sport is another froggy which surprised me.. ugly as heck but they scoot along right well.

[Dave]

The citrons arent bad either, a family member owned one, and for a 2l or 2.2l N/A motor they are supriseinlgy quick, so much so a couple of ss owners insulted me when they caught up. Only prob ive found with them is, the box is very notchy and the steering desnt like corners all that much ( kinda gets very stiff and is a bitch to steer )

[rusole21]

What a friggin stupid thread. Dave your awesome! I dont beleive a word of what you said but your still awesome.....:dance:

[Wraith]

OMG this thread is over 3 years old :eek:

Agree with the above, WTF is it doing surfacing again ?? especially considering how stupid it is LOL :)

[Huhness]

This car pulled up at the lights and i beat it. So what if it was a mighty boy!

[Vectracious]

I agree.... retarded and old thread

And that VN must have been running on 2 cylinders if a 1.8 Astra beat it on a rolling start in 3rd.