Worst Performance Car ever made? your choice

[gmonkey]

Bored at work so thought id make a thread to discuss what everybody thinks was the worst production performance car of all time. I mean cars that were publicly sold not cars made just for trackdays.

My vote is:

HSV XU6
http://liveimages.redbook.com.au/carnod/car/spec/HSV%200260.jpg?aspect=Default


Possibly one of the slowest, overpriced and poorly planned cars every to hit aussie markets IMO. A slow revving ecotec v6 add a supercharger to make it 'sporty' and a terrible auto 4speed that struggled.

[Wraith]

The 'polarised' VL HDT Brocky - biggest embarassment ever !!! it still makes me shake my head and not that impressive in the performance stakes either...

Pity they just didn't follow on from the previous HDT VK Group A which was such an awesome machine in every way...

[PaulyJ]

Camira SLi 2000
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/1987_Holden_JE_Camira_SLi_2000_sedan_01.jpg/800px-1987_Holden_JE_Camira_SLi_2000_sedan_01.jpg

Pintara TRX
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/1990-1992_Nissan_Pintara_%28U12%29_TRX_sedan_01.jpg/800px-1990-1992_Nissan_Pintara_%28U12%29_TRX_sedan_01.jpg

These 2 quickly spring to mind...

[poita]

The 'polarised' VL HDT Brocky - biggest embarassment ever !!! it still makes me shake my head and not that impressive in the performance stakes either...

Pity they just didn't follow on from the previous HDT VK Group A which was such an awesome machine in every way...

What's worse is they put the polarizer into some VE's as a special edition

[benzino]

http://images-2.drive.com.au/2010/08/19/1806277/30forCap_leadimage-420x0.jpg

[kabel]

Leyland P76 Tiarga Fliora is up there !

[JohnBu]

I'm prob too young kabel, but was that the Leyland Brother's special ed?? haha

[Wraith]

What's worse is they put the polarizer into some VE's as a special edition

True, I didn't even want to mention that one as I can't believe they've actually done what they've done...


I'm prob too young kabel, but was that the Leyland Brother's special ed?? haha

Not sure if they were ever a performance car, but I remember this car well and was actually a fan of it when seeing them on the road as a kid in the '70's - found out later how just how bad they were at falling apart LOL :)

[gmonkey]

http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/a69435c1a57f2616003b06d2e5ede5e172930636_m.jpg

piazza?? :p

[glider]

8v calibra

keeping in mind the Cavalier was the regular model effectively

[dutchy]

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac8/dutchy_02/1979-honda-civic-pic-35918.jpg

[gmonkey]

http://i880.photobucket.com/albums/ac8/dutchy_02/1979-honda-civic-pic-35918.jpg

Have u ever driven that model of civic? They werent a performance car in any way but they were friggen fun!! So light and nice interior and looked good for a 70s hatch

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[Vectracious]

Vz commodore sv8. Detuned gen3 with the 4 speed auto. Completely rubbish.

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[metry]

hsv sv1800

http://117.53.175.169/CarPhotos/factory/photos/FXK.jpg

[poita]

roger mitsubishi cordia

[metry]

roger mitsubishi cordia

dont they run 12s with very little mods... must be great cars

[JohnBu]

dont they run 12s with very little mods... must be great cars

ALOT of mods..


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[Wraith]

dont they run 12s with very little mods... must be great cars

High 13's stock was the claim, mid 14's actual which is outstanding for the day, in fact the police force used them in the same manner as they now use WRX's !!!

I remember many of them on the roads back then, they were a very fast and potent machine, however they did not have a good reputation for reliability or longevity...

[xplosv57]

Vz commodore sv8. Detuned gen3 with the 4 speed auto. Completely rubbish.

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SV8 had the same power as the SS, and was also avail with a manual, series 2 got the 260kW 6.0 as well (was 245kW 5.7 in Series 1), that sounds like a decent performance car minus handling!!

My pick of the bunch...

Austin Healey 3000

From memory had a 0-100 time around the 20 second mark...

[JohnBu]

High 13's stock was the claim, mid 14's actual which is outstanding for the day, in fact the police force used them in the same manner as they now use WRX's !!!

I remember many of them on the roads back then, they were a very fast and potent machine, however they did not have a good reputation for reliability or longevity...

They were mid 15s stock, however that was outstanding back then and still not bad today.


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[metry]

they were alright cars. they just didnt look too good

[ChrisMaz]

Never driven one, but 100% of reviews speak for themselves.

http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/dmc/delorean/1981_delorean_dmc_10_m.jpg

[PaulyJ]

Never driven one, but 100% of reviews speak for themselves.

http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/dmc/delorean/1981_delorean_dmc_10_m.jpg

You have just created many many enemies...

[gmonkey]

hahah i partially agree with maz.. beautiful/iconic car but terrible performance haha

[Wraith]

They were mid 15s stock, however that was outstanding back then and still not bad today.


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I knew a guy at one of my old workplaces who had one and he ran a 14.5 with it at Calder stock !!! and he was a big heavy dude LOL :D

You always get variations from factory with turbo cars especially the earlier/older makes, it was the same story with VL turbos, some were heaps faster than others stock obviously running more or less boost and parts condition/assembly but I don't think any stock Cordias were ever capable of the claimed high 13 from factory...

[Wraith]

Never driven one, but 100% of reviews speak for themselves.

http://www.allsportauto.com/photoautre/dmc/delorean/1981_delorean_dmc_10_m.jpg

Dosn't Simid own one of these...

[ChrisMaz]

Don't tell him :p

Don't get me wrong, I love the car, but its hardly the performance car it was envisioned to be.

[poita]

If it wasn't for BTTF these would be a hated pos.

Great iconic cult car, but too many issues.

And may as well Turbo Calibra into the mix

[ZomBie]

HSV R8..... Great car, if you enjoy driving in a straight line. Just don't ask it to brake or go around a corner!!!

[GreyRex]

How about anything Toyota with 'Sportivo' written on it

EDIT: Oops... just read Pauly's post on another thread from today. Sorry mate ;-)

[gmonkey]

How about anything Toyota with 'Sportivo' written on it

Corolla levin sportivo was pretty decent 1.8 turbo vvti engine weighed about 1.2 tonne

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[Vectracious]

SV8 had the same power as the SS, and was also avail with a manual, series 2 got the 260kW 6.0 as well (was 245kW 5.7 in Series 1), that sounds like a decent performance car minus handling!!



Dunno about the manual, and the one I drove was a series 1 but nevertheless it was a piece of poo.

And maybe it was the transmission, maybe the motor was a dud on the one I drove, but it didn't feel like it had 245kW...

[hazrd]

Corolla levin sportivo was pretty decent 1.8 turbo vvti engine weighed about 1.2 tonne

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and they were 145~ kw werent they?

[hazrd]

Corolla levin sportivo was pretty decent 1.8 turbo vvti engine weighed about 1.2 tonne

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and they were 141 kw werent they?

[gmonkey]

yeh about 120kw... which is pretty decent! quite a sleeper hot "hatch"

[Vectracious]

and they were 141 kw werent they?

and they had Lift

[nick_sixx]

Mk4 Golf GTI
N14 Pulsar SSS
Porsche 924
Mazda rx8

[InsaneAsylum]

subaru vortex

[JohnBu]

and they had Lift

With a power band this >|< wide

[dutchy]

Have u ever driven that model of civic? They werent a performance car in any way but they were friggen fun!! So light and nice interior and looked good for a 70s hatch

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Never driven this specific model but they were considered a bit of a performance model back in the days in Europe. Light indeed but no go whatsoever !

[lonewolf1983]

some interesting opinions in here.

N14 SSS was an icon and pretty quick and top drive for its time....
Corolla sportivo (v1) was a 1.8 turbo and a bit of a POS.
Corolla sportivo (v2) was 1.8 n/a and a bit of fun, sound great too but some issues with gear ratio's
sv8 was a good car, cheapest way to get into a GenIII, huge tuning potential!

Cordia turbo was very quick for its time, the unleaded version got neutered when it was released due to the new fuel, but as with all turbo cars could be made to go quick!

delorean, well yes pretty slow in stock form. 2JZ conversions being done on them now, thats just sweet!

[2002_XC]

Mk4 Golf GTI
N14 Pulsar SSS
Porsche 924
Mazda rx8

Don't forget the n13? Pulsar reebok limited edition. My ex had the awesomeness of a 3 speed auto :lol:

[nick_sixx]

some interesting opinions in here.

N14 SSS was an icon and pretty quick and top drive for its time....


I test drove a few before I bought my second car: a pulsar Gti-R. THAT was an icon, the SSS was a massive POS

[lonewolf1983]

I test drove a few before I bought my second car: a pulsar Gti-R. THAT was an icon, the SSS was a massive POS

won wheels COTY (shared with the NSX in 1991), i believe you hit upon a big point is that the majority of them have been thrashed to the shithole, or badly modified.
105kw and the performance for the price back then was pretty good.

[xplosv57]

N14 SSS + GTi-R SR20DET and bonnet = best combo, looks and power!!!

[benzino]

and they were 141 kw werent they?

more like 110kw...
pretty much on par with the mk4 golf gti

the later non-turbo 1.8 shared the same engine as the celica and THAT one was 140-something kw

[nick_sixx]

N14 SSS + GTi-R SR20DET and bonnet = best combo, looks and power!!!

Haha so not worth it though. N15 SSS Autech is a sweet car though.

[gmonkey]

im sorry but i think nissan has made two of the best engines ever and the sr20 was one of them turbo or not

[nick_sixx]

im sorry but i think nissan has made two of the best engines ever and the sr20 was one of them turbo or not

SR20DET in the Pulsar gti-r is best: ITBs from factory!
RB26 is the other one I'm guessing? or RB30 if you are a VL calais turbo muzza

[hazrd]

the later non-turbo 1.8 shared the same engine as the celica and THAT one was 140-something kw


This is the one i was talking about....

edit:
http://pages.ebay.com.au/buy/guides/toyota-corolla-sportivo-2003-buying-guide/

[gmonkey]

SR20DET in the Pulsar gti-r is best: ITBs from factory!
RB26 is the other one I'm guessing? or RB30 if you are a VL calais turbo muzza

RB series engine in general.. Rb20 is my favourite bar the 26 ofcourse

[nick_sixx]

RB series engine in general.. Rb20 is my favourite bar the 26 ofcourse

Rb26 on full song makes me jizz my pants

[lonewolf1983]

loved my old rb20, sr20ve was better :)

[Feelinlucky75]

loved my old rb20, sr20ve was better :)

This!!!

N15 vzr was an awesome car, variable timing, had the power of the turbos without the lag... A bloke on PGA was gonna turbo his one...

[JohnBu]

This!!!

N15 vzr was an awesome car, variable timing, had the power of the turbos without the lag... A bloke on PGA was gonna turbo his one...

Why would he turbo it if it already had the power of turbos without the lag?

You mean you can get even more power out of an engine with turbos? haha.... In this day and age, unless the engine is a minimum of 4,000cc, forced induction all the way.

[gman]

The Peter Wherrett Sigma....4 cylinders, 2.6Lts and 76kw of piston pounding fury with red with grey and black stripe awesomeness!!!

On the Nissan's, having owned:

1) A SSS Pulsar and S14 (so with the SR20DE and SR20DET) - The SR20 is a good base engine but rocker arms, oiling and lifters are the weak points. They do tune up nicely & the best incarnation is the SR20VE.
2) An R34 GTR - The RB26DETT is an awesome engine once you tune it back up, as stock they are a massively under powered. Oiling (it gets pumped up to the head and stays there, starving the engine), oil pumps (pump gears shatter) early R32 blocks (water galleries crackign at high boost) and ceramic turbos (wheels cracked off) were problems. But once you sort one out, at 10,000+rpm's, they sound as close to an F1 car as you can get!!!
and
3) An R35 GTR - The VR38DETT is simply amazing!!! Torque, rev's and power with ease!! Bores are proving as little fragile at stupid boost, but otherwise they seem to be fairly bullet proof!!

[JohnBu]

You owned both a R34 and R35 Gman?

I'm definately sending my kids to a private school! haha

[gman]

You owned both a R34 and R35 Gman?

:D yep...

[morris0893]

:D yep...

ahh man so jealous right now...

[JohnBu]

Never knew about the R35.... should have at least posted some pics.

[kabel]

The Peter Wherrett Sigma....4 cylinders, 2.6Lts and 76kw of piston pounding fury with red with grey and black stripe awesomeness!!!

On the Nissan's, having owned:

1) A SSS Pulsar and S14 (so with the SR20DE and SR20DET) - The SR20 is a good base engine but rocker arms, oiling and lifters are the weak points. They do tune up nicely & the best incarnation is the SR20VE.
2) An R34 GTR - The RB26DETT is an awesome engine once you tune it back up, as stock they are a massively under powered. Oiling (it gets pumped up to the head and stays there, starving the engine), oil pumps (pump gears shatter) early R32 blocks (water galleries crackign at high boost) and ceramic turbos (wheels cracked off) were problems. But once you sort one out, at 10,000+rpm's, they sound as close to an F1 car as you can get!!!
and
3) An R35 GTR - The VR38DETT is simply amazing!!! Torque, rev's and power with ease!! Bores are proving as little fragile at stupid boost, but otherwise they seem to be fairly bullet proof!!
Did the Sigma come come with Special Peter Wherrett High Heeled Drivers shoes and matching handbag ? !

[JohnBu]

ahh man so jealous right now...

don't worry, he now owns only a base model TS astra.. haha

[morris0893]

ah well... still jealous, he gets to at least say he had owned one. I can only say i 'might' be able to afford one in ten years.

[gman]

Never knew about the R35.... should have at least posted some pics.

The 35 while during my first stint in HKG...I have pics somewhere..


Did the Sigma come come with Special Peter Wherrett High Heeled Drivers shoes and matching handbag ? !

I think it was an optional extra... ;)


don't worry, he now owns only a base model TS astra.. haha

I've got a few other cars besides the Astra..But it is just a basic model through... :lol:

[JohnBu]

You may have as well got the basic model Astra, there's not much of the SRiT that hasn't been upgraded! haha

Good work Gman!! I would love a R35 and could prob afford a secondhand one, but the running cost scare the crap out of me.

[gman]

You may have as well got the basic model Astra, there's not much of the SRiT that hasn't been upgraded! haha

Good work Gman!! I would love a R35 and could prob afford a secondhand one, but the running cost scare the crap out of me.

For the R35 there are just two big costs..

1: Tyres
2: Gearbox (fluid and 1st gear)..

Fuel comes in a distant 3rd ;)

[Feelinlucky75]

Why would he turbo it if it already had the power of turbos without the lag?

You mean you can get even more power out of an engine with turbos? haha.... In this day and age, unless the engine is a minimum of 4,000cc, forced induction all the way.

I think the idea was that if it was as good as an sr20det why not make it even better...

[lonewolf1983]

yep, sr20ve's + turbo = ridiculous power.
Have seen 500whp in the states from a stock internalled engine (bad n1 cams), ridiculous!

As Gman mentioned, the VE fixed all the problems that all the other SR motors had, i'll build another someday