FT-86 concept 2 will be the new Celica

[Wraith]

Looks like they've finally named it what it was always rumoured to be...

There's a new Celica coming...

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2011/sports/toyota/celica/toyota-celica-returns-in-2012-25450

[poita]

Still not confirmed though, 4th paragraph


Toyota's FT-86 II Concept -- a preview of the production car that may be badged Celica -- will be on display at the 2011 Australian International Motor Show, and is certain to be a crowd pleaser for numerous reasons, least of which its ahtletic, sharp-edged styling

[willhouse]

Maybe a new MR2 as well....

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/motoring/5197410/Toyotas-stunning-roadster-concept

[hazrd]

Saw photos of this being set up on the car advice facespace page

Looks Porn!!!

http://tapatalk.com/mu/012c7e38-015f-ad21.jpg

[Wraith]

Yeah, looks pretty good, but the production vehicle will be watered down...

MR2 nameplate would be better IMO :)

[btm]

does look damn fine!

[rjastra]

Yeah, looks pretty good, but the production vehicle will be watered down...

MR2 nameplate would be better IMO :)


MR2 = were all mid engined 2 seaters. Therefore unlikely to be attached to the FT86 car.

[BEK-46P]

Considering its profile, the name 'Supra' wouldn't go astray either...

[Wraith]

Considering its profile, the name 'Supra' wouldn't go astray either...

You may be onto something there ;)

[rjastra]

Considering its profile, the name 'Supra' wouldn't go astray either...

Supra was always a 6 cylinder ....

Apparently Toyota Australia has registered "86". So, here it could be called the Toyota 86 (hmmmmmm)
In the USA it would be called a Scion something or other maybe FR-S

[JohnBu]

150kW 2.0L N/A is always going to struggle with torque with the weight of todays cars.

I like the concept, but think I will be dissapointed with the execution, especially from Toyota- i.e. skinny tyres, soft suspension, highly strung engine. I hope I am wrong.

The Australian Toyota engineers face an uphill battle with Toyota Japan to get our local cars with the suspension/wheels correct. Toyota Japan look at our roads and immediately jack up the springs.

[Wraith]

150kW 2.0L N/A is always going to struggle with torque with the weight of todays cars.

I like the concept, but think I will be dissapointed with the execution, especially from Toyota- i.e. skinny tyres, soft suspension, highly strung engine. I hope I am wrong.

The Australian Toyota engineers face an uphill battle with Toyota Japan to get our local cars with the suspension/wheels correct. Toyota Japan look at our roads and immediately jack up the springs.

Isn't it going to be a light weight vehicle ?

Besides which forced inducted engine choices are going to be part of the model range :)

[JohnBu]

Won't be light due to the safetly requirements.

the FWD clio 200 is 1281kg

I suppose that is light compared to most other cars.

Looking forward to the turbo version.

[poita]

*insert ignorance here*

Will it be FWD or AWD?

The only current FWD powered Subaru?

[Bloodnok]

*insert ignorance here*

Will it be FWD or AWD?

I thought they'd said RWD?


The only current FWD powered Subaru?

If it is RWD, Subaru will have a hard job selling it here - they've been pushing AWD so hard it'll be difficult to work an RWD vehicle into the range.

[sooty]

Subaru Aus won't sell it, they're refusing to sell anything not awd

[poita]

yer will be toyotas baby here i'd say

[Neeko]

yer will be toyotas baby here i'd say

I'll let you guys know how it drives when it makes it to our dealership :D

[poita]

I'll let you guys know how it drives when it makes it to our dealership :D

can i come down for a test drive?

[corsab]

looks nice

but is it just me or does the body have a striking resemblance to the 350z

[Neeko]

can i come down for a test drive?

Right after I get your autograph :)

[rjastra]

I'll let you guys know how it drives when it makes it to our dealership :D

Only 12 months to wait.... some other manufacturer will release something shiney and new before then and everyone will forget it - lol

It will be interesting to see if Toyota can get 150kw out of a flat 4 NA 2L that passes all emission rules. I am thinking it will be more like 130kw.

[Neeko]

Yeah true, looks like they're not calling it the celica now.

[metry]

the least that car would weigh would be 1200kgs because of all the on biard safety features etc. so theoreticly a power to weight ration of 100rwkw to the tonne would be the minimum id expect of a car like this in order to have some fun in it

[JohnBu]

Only 12 months to wait.... some other manufacturer will release something shiney and new before then and everyone will forget it - lol

It will be interesting to see if Toyota can get 150kw out of a flat 4 NA 2L that passes all emission rules. I am thinking it will be more like 130kw.

Shouldn't be too hard to get 150kW..

it's been done, the clio sport 200 is very close, but me thinks the clio sport will be much lighter.

the issue is getting low end torque.

[Wraith]

Regardless of whatever the power/weight ratio will be in the end ?? at least it'll have good balance and good handling being RWD...

Forced inducted model should be an excellent drving machine :)

[rjastra]

Shouldn't be too hard to get 150kW..

it's been done, the clio sport 200 is very close, but me thinks the clio sport will be much lighter.

the issue is getting low end torque.

The ClioSport weighs 1200kg+

Honda have ditched their 2L Type R engine simply because it couldn't meet future euro emissions.

[Greg K]

spotted one of these 86 Coupes today heading towards Toyota at Taren Point.

I personally dont see what all the hype is about, but it looked ok I guess.

[dsuhiti91]

Its not about the looks, its about the way it drives. Looks better than most cars out there anyway, in my opinion.

[poita]

For a rwd 'sports car' to be about $40k drive away, it's bloody good value too imo

[guy 27]

For a rwd 'sports car' to be about $40k drive away, it's bloody good value too imo

thats what its all about.

[metry]

from what my understanding is the car is meant to represent fun. in that you dont need to spend alot of money to have fun in a car. its a real winner and id love to take one for a test drive (no dealer in there right mind would let a p plater of middle eastern appearance test drive one ;p). as for the hype yeh it gets annoying (to be honest im pretty over the hype) but at the end of the day its pretty much the only real brand new car we can get here in rwd for the money as opposed to commos and falcons or bmws(which cost alot more brand new). me personally for 40k id be trying to get into a wrx or rallirt lancer but each to there own.

[Greg K]

Its not about the looks, its about the way it drives. Looks better than most cars out there anyway, in my opinion.

I know what you mean mate, im sure it does drive well for what it is. The media rave on like we've never had a 2-door rwd car before (granted not many around $40k), but to me it doesnt seem 'ground-breaking' enough...

[dsuhiti91]

I know what you mean mate, im sure it does drive well for what it is. The media rave on like we've never had a 2-door rwd car before (granted not many around $40k), but to me it doesnt seem 'ground-breaking' enough...

Its not ground breaking for what it is, its just there hasnt been any RWD coupes for 30 grand that are this good to drive for decades. Its like a rebirth for this car segment, I'm sure it will inspire Honda, Nissan to follow also.

[Sloth]

its part of a trio. i work for a large toyota dealership. there is to be a smaller sub $25k coupe and a bigger one. no turbo on the ft-eightsix. <--proper pronunciation.
i await its bigger brother. the supra.

[poita]

mr2, ft86, supra?

[Wraith]

Will be interesting to see what eventuates with the new Sube BRZ in terms of pricing and performance compared to the Toyota, seeing these 2 vehicles are almost the same thing...

IMO in terms of value for money Toyota will be the pick as they'll always be cheaper to buy than Subaru and they offer better finance options as well if people want to go that way...

Also keep in mind, these current releases are base models, there'll undoubtebly be higher performance and better equipped variants down the track :)

[chrissn89]

We got our first one at the dealership today a pearl white GTS auto. Fresh off the truck. Phone pics sorry.

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm213/chrissn89/photo.jpg
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[poita]

Black one in Bundy, a friend has taken it for a test already

[chrissn89]

manual or auto? friends opinion on how it drove?

[willhouse]

First crashed one? Courtesy of Whiteline.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/600333_10150946779984193_94173995_n.jpg

[poita]

manual or auto? friends opinion on how it drove?

Not sure will ask.

Loved the handling. Was are comfy and interior was good.

Overall they where impressed.

[chrissn89]

I was very impressed with the overall look and cabin feel. Just need to get my hands on a manual one to try. Amazed at how compact it is.

[nick_sixx]

Looks fantastic except for the wheels and f*cking altezza lights. Why do manufacturers insist on these lights now? They really cheapen the look

[poita]

I was very impressed with the overall look and cabin feel. Just need to get my hands on a manual one to try. Amazed at how compact it is.

it was a manual chris btw

[Neeko]

I drove one. Leaves the WRX for dead in handling :/
Even the way the seats are in the perfect position to the steering.wheel and the pedals. Definitely feels awesome. The 6sp manual is fantastic too!

[chrissn89]

Sucks i just bought my car :-( really want one.

[JohnBu]

Sucks i just bought my car :-( really want one.

what did you buy?

[chrissn89]

Got a Cruze SRi-V

[JohnBu]

Got a Cruze SRi-V

Nevermind, the Cruze is better than the 86 is the following respects:
- ummm
- less fuel
- 4 doors..

That's about it.. lol

[ChrisMaz]

About the only review I've seen of the BRZ/86 was from Evo. And they weren't impressed with it at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUL9eQO5Q0&feature=player_embedded

[chrissn89]

Nevermind, the Cruze is better than the 86 is the following respects:
- ummm
- less fuel
- 4 doors..

That's about it.. lol

Haha yeah I've done 9000km in 3months so fuel eco and 4drs was top on my list.

[Shaun]

Saw one on the road in USA already. Nice looking car.

[dsuhiti91]

I took one for a drive on Monday at Mt Gravatt. It was base model, but manual. Looks nice in flesh, rear seats are non existant, I dont understand why they even bothered to include them in. Interior was cheapish, but it was base model without the leather etc. Great seating arrangement, butt on floor, legs out - proper sports car with great seats.

Drive wise, it wasnt quicker than AH Turbo, obviously no sudden turbo urge. Made a nice noise and most power at 4-6000rpm. Handling was the best, brake pedal feel was unrivaled, throw it into a corner, full gas and you can feel traction control just kicking in preventing a slide. Was impressed, but not a car I would buy for daily driving. Too little power, have to rev the guts out, and I dont see taking corners at track-like speed to be safe. A 370Z on another hand is perfect IMO - handling, luxury and stellar performance.

[dsuhiti91]

About the only review I've seen of the BRZ/86 was from Evo. And they weren't impressed with it at all.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNUL9eQO5Q0&feature=player_embedded

An auto BRZ and a manual special edition Megane with even more power than stock. I'd still take the Megane most likely, but this comparison is laughable.

[Wraith]

Saw one on the road in USA already. Nice looking car.

Saw one on the road yesterday here in the CBD (Melb.) look wise, it's very nice...

Will be interesting to see the 'proper' performance variants in the future the current release is just a normal cooking model hardly worth comparing to higher powered top of the line variant performance hot hatches and judging by the initial variants handling prowess the more serious performance variants should be crackers...

[poita]

Black one here in town, belongs to the local dealership

[Numbnut]

Saw one on the road yesterday here in the CBD (Melb.) look wise, it's very nice...

Will be interesting to see the 'proper' performance variants in the future the current release is just a normal cooking model hardly worth comparing to higher powered top of the line variant performance hot hatches and judging by the initial variants handling prowess the more serious performance variants should be crackers...

Agreed, an STI variant would be pretty cool. Or beat them to it throw in one of these...

http://www.carmodsaustralia.com.au/cosworth-cs600-ej25-long-block-20010273

[Wraith]

Agreed, an STI variant would be pretty cool. Or beat them to it throw in one of these...

http://www.carmodsaustralia.com.au/cosworth-cs600-ej25-long-block-20010273

Great idea but massively expensive excercise without any peace of mind of warranty etc. I reckon just hang and wait for the higher power variants to come along, will be much easier and more cost effective that way :)

[guy 27]

http://youtu.be/JUhLXvxlQR4

[dsuhiti91]

My next car will be a 370Z and before watching that video I hope it wins!

[lonewolf1983]

aussie tuner has put together a kit
103 rwkw stock
163 rwkw on 98 octane and 6psi
211rwkw on e85 and 9psi

price about $10k or so

[Wraith]

aussie tuner has put together a kit
103 rwkw stock
163 rwkw on 98 octane and 6psi
211rwkw on e85 and 9psi

price about $10k or so

I still reckon wait for the OEM hi po models to arrive, it's just a matter of time...

That way you'll have those power levels OEM or if not with basic tuning instead of going to the expense and trouble of an aftermarket forced induction kit...

Even if the kit is cheaper, that still dosn't weigh up against the loss of warranty, loss of insurance acceptance and running and/or reliability issues which you'll no doubt have with all those kinds of after market forced induction kits...

On the other hand, if your going to wait for a S/H one of these and it's alot cheaper to buy and after the warranty term has expired, it might be an idea to mod it, but you'll still have the insurance issues to deal with...

[lonewolf1983]

I dont see them doing a higher power model for quite some time given the demand for the base model... they're already at max capacity pumping them out.
The kit is a good option for those who want power now, and the cost is pretty good for what you get in the package.

Agreed they should have released it from the factory like that though!

[poita]

Yer given an 18mth+ wait on the GTS model i don't see a hi-po version soon either

[mickos]

Yer given an 18mth+ wait on the GTS model i don't see a hi-po version soon either

Yup give it 2-3 yrs min