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rjastra
11th June 2011, 09:51 AM
http://www.caradvice.com.au/122753/gm-considering-what-to-do-with-struggling-opel/

gmonkey
11th June 2011, 10:19 AM
i dont see vw ever buying it and think this story is a load of bull.

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Wraith
15th June 2011, 07:25 PM
Well the report does state that it may be just pure speculation...

I wonder if it would be better in the hands of the VAG group if that were to happen ??

Certainly wouldn't hurt the powertrain replacement options :p

On a more serious note, if it did come down to either going to China or the VAG group I think I know who'd I'd prefer :skep:

gmonkey
15th June 2011, 07:34 PM
i agree.. china would be much better :p

Dahlia
15th June 2011, 07:43 PM
i agree.. china would be much better :p
Because things would be cheaper?

Wraith
15th June 2011, 07:45 PM
i agree.. china would be much better :p

:lol: :lol: :lol:

poita
15th June 2011, 07:46 PM
Because things would be cheaper?

/sarcasm

gmonkey
15th June 2011, 07:47 PM
im partially serious about china being better but :p i mean yes VAG have a good "prestige" about them.... but i wouldnt go so far to say theyre worth the money they like to think their worth. Also the opel range is starting to look cool! If it goes to VAG the astra will just end up being a golf, boring to look at and spartan as all hell

Wraith
15th June 2011, 07:52 PM
im partially serious about china being better but :p i mean yes VAG have a good "prestige" about them.... but i wouldnt go so far to say theyre worth the money they like to think their worth. Also the opel range is starting to look cool! If it goes to VAG the astra will just end up being a golf, boring to look at and spartan as all hell

Kind of agree with the probable VAG result, they would most certainly 'put it down' to make sure the VW branded stuff stays on top...

The new Opel range coming soon are most probably better or at least as good as their direct VW competitor.

Going to China would surely raise the automotive standards over there... :)

Vectracious
16th June 2011, 09:27 PM
Kind of agree with the probable VAG result, they would most certainly 'put it down' to make sure the VW branded stuff stays on top...




+1 - all Skoda models are getting de-specced because their value for money is outstripping the equivalent VW models, so VAG deliberately pushing down the brand. If they ever bought Opel it would probably be pushed below even that (maybe equivalent to what Seat is in Europe). China would be a better option.

Wraith
17th June 2011, 12:02 PM
+1 - all Skoda models are getting de-specced because their value for money is outstripping the equivalent VW models, so VAG deliberately pushing down the brand. If they ever bought Opel it would probably be pushed below even that (maybe equivalent to what Seat is in Europe). China would be a better option.

Geez, hope not Pete :(

If it does go down that way, I hope it's well after the new AJ Astra series has had its run :)

rjastra
20th June 2011, 12:36 PM
+1 - all Skoda models are getting de-specced because their value for money is outstripping the equivalent VW models, so VAG deliberately pushing down the brand. .

They are? In what way? You get more for your money in an equivalent Skoda model.

VAG have owned Skoda for 20yrs and have been building the brand for that long. Why would they sabotage that?

gmonkey
20th June 2011, 12:50 PM
because only lately have skodas been any good.. vag had the arrogance as of such to think the badge would stop people buying skoda over vw but have now realised that skoda sales are damaging theyre signature/primary brand so what else to do but bring skoda back down

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Vectracious
20th June 2011, 01:16 PM
I read an article about it a little while ago. It was from European motoring press so it may not be affecting aus skodas yet. I'll see if I can find it and post a link up.

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rjastra
20th June 2011, 04:03 PM
because only lately have skodas been any good.. vag had the arrogance as of such to think the badge would stop people buying skoda over vw but have now realised that skoda sales are damaging theyre signature/primary brand so what else to do but bring skoda back down


That's a mad assumption to make. And I haven't seen any reporting to that affect.
VW sales are up... Skoda sales are up. Win Win.

Once again.... where's the evidence?

Nurb608
20th June 2011, 04:43 PM
That's a mad assumption to make. And I haven't seen any reporting to that affect.
VW sales are up... Skoda sales are up. Win Win.

Once again.... where's the evidence?

Opels sales and market share are up, so why are GM "selling" it again?

hazrd
20th June 2011, 06:05 PM
Opels sales and market share are up, so why are GM "selling" it again?

+1

Vectracious
20th June 2011, 09:25 PM
found some articles - they are over a year old though. I did read the same thing in a Greek motoring mag probably at the start of the year but I dont have that particular mag with me anymore.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,682530,00.html

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2010/03/the-skoda-conundrum/

Maybe VW decided not to follow through with the "decontenting" or it could still be in the pipeline.....

rjastra
21st June 2011, 12:22 PM
Opels sales and market share are up, so why are GM "selling" it again?

Because it's losing money (big time). It's not about how many widgets you sell but how much profit you make.

Nurb608
21st June 2011, 01:31 PM
Because it's losing money (big time). It's not about how many widgets you sell but how much profit you make.

Because GM are dragging their heels with the global expansion program for it because they are scared the Opel vehicles will take away sales from their other companies.