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Jerram
11th October 2010, 11:02 AM
This guy points out what many of us already know and are irritated by.

words - Ken Gratton (http://www.carsales.com.au/news-reviews-advice/results.aspx?N=2981+4294966552)

Speed limits are out of whack and armco is a potential killer, says Ullrich Mellinghoff
The Vice President of Development Safety for Mercedes-Benz, Ullrich Mellinghof (http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2009/mercedesbenz/fatalityfree-roads-a-realistic-target-16808), is currently in Australia as part of the prestige importer's travelling safety roadshow. Mellinghof has been accompanied on his trip to the antipodes by other safety experts and two advanced simulators to demonstrate the company's commitment to active and passive safety.

Subsequent to a presentation last week at the importer's Mulgrave HQ, Mellinghof was asked by local media for his opinion on the issue of road safety in Australia, based admittedly on a brief exposure (one week) to the best and worst of the local road network.

"I was a little bit surprised about two things; first: you have very restricted speed limit on highways [and] on the other [hand], in the city or urban areas you can drive very often [at] 70 or 80km/h, although there are a lot of people living around [those areas]. In Germany we have a maximum of 60km/h -- normally 50km/h. This was a little bit surprising for me.

"Second, I think that what is not so easy to handle is that trucks are allowed to drive at the same speed [as] passenger cars, although we know that trucks need -- from 80 to 0 -- the same length in braking as a passenger car from 120 to 0. So I think it would be helpful if there was a differentiation..."

The Carsales Network asked whether speed differentiation could pose a problem, with vehicles travelling at vastly different speeds mixing it up on the same roads. In Australia, without major changes to driver education, it could create more problems than it would resolve. Mellinghof, based on his experience in Germany, doesn't believe that speed differentiation need be a problem, but by implication, for the German strategy to be transplanted here would require some heavy-handed policing in the early years. Ensuring that drivers do keep left and fining them if they don't, for example, or changing the rules of the road to permit overtaking on just one side -- the right side in Australia.

"I don't think that it is indeed a big problem, because in Germany it's not allowed to pass other cars on both sides -- you always have to pass on the left side. This divides the traffic more or less -- the faster driving on the left side and the slower [cars] driving on the right side. Therefore, I think it can be handled, this speed difference."

The Benz exec holds the view that on our much longer freeways -- between capital cities -- the roads are good enough to warrant a speed limit as high as 140km/h, which could reduce fatigue considerably, with a consequent reduction in single-vehicle crashes.
"Maybe a top speed of 200 is not necessary, but... it's better to drive at 130 or 140 in terms of drowsiness... and let trucks drive at 80 or 90..."

While Mellinghof believes that the quality of Australian highways is up to scratch and could support higher speeds, he was critical of the way our armco barriers are built. In Germany the barriers start and finish in the ground, thus presenting a ramp of sorts, so any vehicle leaving the road will generally strike a glancing blow rather than a head-on strike with the leading post.

"The systems that work in Germany will also work in Australia," says Mellinghof, but he did also observe that Australian drivers do seem to tailgate more than drivers in Germany. This seems to indicate a lack of driver education, with road users apparently unaware of the danger this presents.

"In Australia, the people drive very close to each other, one after the other... the people don't realise how dangerous this is."


http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2010/mercedesbenz/benz-safety-guru-queries-aussie-road-design-22018

guy 27
11th October 2010, 11:11 AM
sorry, most of the drivers here in australia have trouble driving at 60km/h let alone 100km/h. educate the driver, fix the roads then consider it.

Jerram
11th October 2010, 11:38 AM
sorry, most of the drivers here in australia have trouble driving at 60km/h let alone 100km/h. educate the driver, fix the roads then consider it.

yes well that's the biggest problem - education and attitude. The "she'll be right" Australian way unfortunately doesn't lend itself to best practice out on the roads.

Hoss
11th October 2010, 11:56 AM
The above comments from Ullrich Mellinghoff make sense, but would take a genuine commitment from all the States which would be unlikely. Much cheaper and easier to run radar traps and speed cameras in the name of road safety and revenue raise at the same time.

scaifeys2.2mk4
11th October 2010, 07:54 PM
i agree with most of his comments but one, whilst it may be safer for trucks to drive at a slower speed thus means that truckies may be driving for longer periods at a time to get to there destination which cannot be a good thing

metry
11th October 2010, 08:02 PM
on the weekend i was coming back from wollongong and the amount of drivers that sit in the right lane doing less than the speed limit was annoying. also try hitting a kangaroo at 140ks. it seems like a good idea but the drivers here are no where near educated enough

poita
11th October 2010, 08:09 PM
In one of the Euro countires (cant think of it right now) it's actually illegal for parents to teach there kids how to drive.

Only qualified driving instructors are allowed to do this.

If they stopped shutting down all the driver ed centres in Australia then maybe this us something we should do here

Ice
11th October 2010, 09:29 PM
He is right as are the rest of you....alot of people here simply cannot drive and worry only about themsleves and not whats around them.

Was a good expo. Had a new E-class smashed to pieces but the passenger cabin fully intact and what seemed like endless amounts of airbags for protection. It really hits home when you see it in person how much more advanced they are in terms of safety. It almost makes you think...yes its worth the extra money if it saves your life.

mania
11th October 2010, 09:55 PM
We've had nannying road rules here for so long that we're stuck in a real catch-22. Can't increase speed limits due to bad driver skills, hard to improve driver skills when the preferred style of driving is cruise-control set to the speed limit regardless of conditions.

Road rule changes really can have a counter-intuitive effect though.. I really have no idea what would happen. ie, who would have predicted decreasing residential speed limits from 60 to 50kmh would increase deaths and serious injuries by 43% (http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/_layouts/getAsset.aspx?URI=2467832&REV=1&RCN=D09) (p4) in the following year? Yes could be "return to mean" etc, but it's still bizarre. Perhaps 140kmh would greatly reduce deaths..

mrbe
11th October 2010, 10:48 PM
It would be good to know what the average German car is. Australia has a fairly old average car age, not helped by the Luxury Car Tax. As an example, VN Commodores with no ABS, airbags, etc probably aren't the best cars to be avoiding kangaroos at 140km/h. Certainly the driver education debate is probably the most worthy - teaching your offspring to be as bad as you isn't the way to improve the next generation of drivers. Nor is mandating "advanced training" in skid control, etc - that leads to over-confidence. Driver attitude education is the key, but we all think everyone except ourselves is the cause. The whole thing is so complex. Whoever comes up with the solution will be a Nobel Prize winner, canonised as a Saint, and will probably know the cure for cancer.

Ice
11th October 2010, 11:06 PM
In answer to your Question mrbe, In Germany and some other European Countries alot more is involved in getting ones license. Its not like in America or here for that matter where it seems some people get them from a cereal box. A licence over there costs thousands of dollars to gain so you have to be serious that you want to get it. then you have to go through countless hours of study, night driving, high speed driving, in the snow, through mountains, defensive driving, looking ahead....basically its no fluke that you will get it. They do roadworthies every year as in the Uk also. The average age of a car is alot less than what it is here mainly due to stringent road worthies and they take the car off the road if its just too old. There are no dodgy back yard certificates because the fines are monstrous so its just not worth it and also Holden and ford here are the eq of Merc and BMW over there which are safer cars in general. Also the cost of having a car here are probably more than double what they are here. Insurance, petrol is easily double, roadworthies every year, registrations etc etc.
Its funny that they have less fatalities per capita with a no speed limit autobahn. Dont quote me on everything here, ive been told alot of this by my father and friends over in Germany but you get the drift, its just alot harder to get your licence and the population are generaly alot more disciplined.

glider
12th October 2010, 12:17 AM
apparently we have more pressing issues to educate drivers about

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/have-you-checked-your-headlights-20101011-16fak.html

Ice
12th October 2010, 12:42 AM
I suppose that says it all doesn't it, haha.
If they didn't have their head screwed on n they would forget that to

poita
12th October 2010, 12:45 AM
apparently we have more pressing issues to educate drivers about

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/have-you-checked-your-headlights-20101011-16fak.html

300-400 calls an hour

fukin hell

metry
12th October 2010, 01:01 AM
apparently we have more pressing issues to educate drivers about

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/weather/have-you-checked-your-headlights-20101011-16fak.html

wouldnt happen in an astra, the thing beeps like a bitch if you leave the parkers on (Y)

lee
13th October 2010, 08:34 AM
I think if the transport authorities and the government were serious about reducing road casualties here, they would make defensive driving courses mandatory. It would increase the cost of getting a licence, but that figure must be offset by the cost of dealing with crashes caused by incompetent driving skills.