RS Focus Update

[Nurb608]

Taken from the XR5 forum where a few people have put a deposit down...

Ok. So seems the cat is out of the bag now. Last Thursday the deal for 250 units was given the go ahead to be delivered to aus for august 2010. I was in the room as the deal was signed off on.

The cars will be coming in standard RS spec with the addition of the luxury pack that includes the rain sensing wipers, auto headlights, etc. 224kw and 440nm torque. The original numbers showed 100 green, 75 white and 75 blue. This number has been lowered to 220 over the weekend, but I haven't heard from ford if that number has changed. I don't even think every dealer knows about it yet.

At this stage every dealer will get the opportunity to have 1 each and with the original numbers the top x number of xr5 dealers would get a 2nd. There is no confirmation of what colour will go where, and as Barnesy has said, good
luck getting a transfer to another dealer once someone has their mitts on it.

The car will be $59990 plus onroads, but that price can probably change. It will be the 5 pot motor.

Other than that all I know is that dealers will be taking deposits of no less than $5k as has been said and require a d/l copy to secure it for you, but even then, as only one per dealer at this stage you'd be hard pressed to fine one that won't have a queue to get these things. There will be no test drives as they will probably be sold by the time they get here.

The positive thing for those not buying one is rs parts will become available in aus shortly afterwards but probably more than buying from overseas as we currently do anyway.

[poita]

at least one car company in this country has some common sense to bring in the right cars

[Nurb608]

at least one car company in this country has some common sense to bring in the right cars

+1 ;)

Only problem is they are probably going to get brought by collectors so wont get to see many on the roads :(

[btm]

$60K+ on roads... getting pretty pricey!

[Nurb608]

$60K+ on roads... getting pretty pricey!

Yeah, especially for a FWD and considering how cheap the XR5's are these days. However, they can charge what they want, they know someone will buy them!

[PaulyJ]

Yeah, but what a car!

[boorny88]

hell i want one but me no affordy :(

[ChrisMaz]

Its ok matty. You can buy a geely, they'll be out in perth around the same time :p

http://carsguide.com.au/images/uploads/geelmk_wide.jpg

What a beauty.

+1 what Rory said.

[boorny88]

y wud i down grade mate?

[dieselhead]

Oh well, I'm happy that we'll see some RSs around. Too late for me though, just took home my Clio RS 200 Cup Trophee today. By the time Focus RS arrives down under I might have learned how to drive the Clio fast enough to give the hot Ford a good run on Adelaide Hills roads ;)
Awesome car the RS, but I wouldn't have paid more than $50k+on roads to be honest...

[Nurb608]

Oh well, I'm happy that we'll see some RSs around. Too late for me though, just took home my Clio RS 200 Cup Trophee today. By the time Focus RS arrives down under I might have learned how to drive the Clio fast enough to give the hot Ford a good run on Adelaide Hills roads ;)
Awesome car the RS, but I wouldn't have paid more than $50k+on roads to be honest...


I'm going off topic in my own thread, but nice pick up mate ;)

[adam_92]

its a nice car but far too pricy. so if its the 5 pot volvo motor thats the same as the xr5 it must just be body styling thats different and a bit better tuned or is it a different 5 pot motor ?

[[OPCSRi]]

These things went hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU-lYxzl-jg&feature=related

[Nurb608]

its a nice car but far too pricy. so if its the 5 pot volvo motor thats the same as the xr5 it must just be body styling thats different and a bit better tuned or is it a different 5 pot motor ?

Same base motor, just with a bit of work done to it.

[poita]

;572330']These things went hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU-lYxzl-jg&feature=related

good video that, give me a cossy any day over the subby though

[adam_92]

good video that, give me a cossy any day over the subby though

+1. its my ultimate import car if i was ever gonna import one from the uk

[CNBLU]

Is it the same engine as the XR5?

[kabel]

Oh well, I'm happy that we'll see some RSs around. Too late for me though, just took home my Clio RS 200 Cup Trophee today. By the time Focus RS arrives down under I might have learned how to drive the Clio fast enough to give the hot Ford a good run on Adelaide Hills roads ;)
Awesome car the RS, but I wouldn't have paid more than $50k+on roads to be honest...
Nice choice the RS 200 !
But those that want a Focus RS will pay the money.
A VW Golf Gti with options is over 50k.

Good passionate decision on Ford`s part !

[TheOperator]

Good luck too many general public people getting their mitts on one, like most of these types of specials if a dealer only gets one it never gets sold, just sits in showroom to get people in as Dealer Principal or one of their family members already owns it :wink5:

[Wraith]

60K before options and ORC's for that thing - you've got to be seriously insane or a 16 y.o up and coming hoon to want one IMHO...

For less 'initial' money you can get the new Golf R !

For less money you can get the base Sti ! which will have an update shortly...

For only a little more money you can have the base Evo 10 !

For only 2/3rds the money you can get the new Megane RS !

or if you fancy a Golf Gti or MPS 3...

Only good thing I forecast for these is that they 'should' maintain good value because of the limited numbers - won't be hard for Ford Aust to find 200 16 y.o hoons to flog em off too :p

[Wraith]

Yeah, especially for a FWD and considering how cheap the XR5's are these days. However, they can charge what they want, they know someone will buy them!

Exactly right Rory...the left over XR5T's are going for $32,900 drive away, half the price !!!!!!

As said 200 will easily sell, don't think they'd 'move' many more than that though...

[hazrd]

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/50654/ford-focus-rs-coming-to-australia-in-limited-numbers

[Nurb608]

And if you want a copy of their brochure http://www.ford.com.au/servlet/BlobServer/NewFocusBrochureRS.pdf?blobtable=DFYBlob&blobheader=application%2Fpdf&blobwhere=1248881442648&blobcol=urlblob&blobkey=id

[btm]

it looks dead sexy, but $60K for a focus...

[Nurb608]

Tim (tfbf) is over in the UK at the moment as has taken 2 of them out for test drives whilst he's been there, lucky bastard :p

Loves the grip and the grunt of the 2.5 but reckons the interior is a bit "budget".

[dieselhead]

Yeat, that was my concern, the budget interior. Or "circa early 1990s" according to Mark Webber :D

[GreyRex]

Tim (tfbf) is over in the UK at the moment as has taken 2 of them out for test drives whilst he's been there, lucky bastard :p

Loves the grip and the grunt of the 2.5 but reckons the interior is a bit "budget".


Yeat, that was my concern, the budget interior. Or "circa early 1990s" according to Mark Webber :D

That's cuz it is

But for around 33K brand new driveaway (now)... buyers in the XR5 market tend to overlook that for the overall package

But to pay around 85% more for the RS... hmm, I don't think I could (and yet I reckon it's awesome!!)

When I see one i'll prob drool... at the looks... then the noise!!

[hazrd]

i know the RS is all about being unique....

but if people are wanting performance only, wouldnt they be better off buying something like an XR5, or any other top line hot hatch, and just getting them tuned, and still have change in the pocket with something more powerful ??

it almost looks like this car is going to attract more 'collectors' than anyone else

[Nurb608]

Yeah, alot of the XR5 drivers are saying the same thing. Put 10K towards their cars and she's there. However, the awd is apparently awesome in the RS and yes, the unique status will attract enough people to buy them at the price Ford is selling them for.

[dieselhead]

AWD? What AWD? The RS is FWD, just like the XR5.

[Nurb608]

AWD? What AWD? The RS is FWD, just like the XR5.

Ah f**k it, was on the WRX site at the same time, meant revoknuckle (looks for hitting over my own head emoticon)

[dieselhead]

The revonuckle must be a treat on the RS. Got it on my Clio and must say the grip is simply amazing.

[kabel]

Is the Renault version called PerfoHub or something ?
Same comments have been said about the RS 250,amazing grip and handling.

[rjastra]

60K before options and ORC's for that thing - you've got to be seriously insane or a 16 y.o up and coming hoon to want one IMHO...

p

I think the article stated "one trim level". This suggests no options... as expected as there is only 300 ever to be imported.

[Wraith]

The revonuckle must be a treat on the RS. Got it on my Clio and must say the grip is simply amazing.

Right you are !!! in fact it was Renault to 1st have this system...Ford copied the idea for the RS Focus :p

BTW I read a review article last week (I'll see if I can find it for you) that put the RS Focus and others to shame handling wise compared with the Clio !!!

You've got yourself a very competent vehicle there ;)


Is the Renault version called PerfoHub or something ?
Same comments have been said about the RS 250,amazing grip and handling.

That's also correct and yes the Megane RS 250 will shame every other hot hatch in this category for handling...


I think the article stated "one trim level". This suggests no options... as expected as there is only 300 ever to be imported.

That's a good thing then, no need to bother with extra $$$ on thr purchase...are there 2 or 300 coming over here ??

[dieselhead]

Right you are !!! in fact it was Renault to 1st have this system...Ford copied the idea for the RS Focus :p

BTW I read a review article last week (I'll see if I can find it for you) that put the RS Focus and others to shame handling wise compared with the Clio !!!

You've got yourself a very competent vehicle there ;)




Is it in the TG UK mag of July 2010? Here's their conclusion...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/atomidude/TopGearMag_1500.jpg

[Nurb608]

Around the 300 mark i think it is now or just a little over anyway.

[dieselhead]

What about the RS500, is it coming down under too? Alternatively, would the engine upgrade from RS to RS500 be available through the dealers, like in UK?

[hazrd]

are there 2 or 300 coming over here ??


Around the 300 mark i think it is now or just a little over anyway.


315 i think i read somewhere

[GreyRex]

315 i think i read somewhere

From what i've found out, there'll be 300 officiallyfor Aus, with the remaining 15 for 'other' uses - possibly press cars (if any) and New Zealand? That's only what ive read - not 100% sure

Colours are Blue White and Green... don't know the split. It'll be pot luck getting the colour you want

People who have bought them and posted their buy prices, have been between $65,000 and $71,000

And im pretty sure the RS500 has absolutely no chance of coming here... the allocation for the (overseas admittedly) market, sold out in less than a day

The video comparing the Focus RS and the Clio is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ae4RqTW5UDU

[gmonkey]

I'll take a blue one and a green one for the track please

[JohnBu]

It's alot of money for a FWD car.

we'll see if they will sell out their allocation, and what the resale value will be.

If resale value on a 1 yo model is very poor, I'll be interested in getting a 2nd hand one, but not at $60k- that's Golf R/Evo X money.

To those that say spend $10k on a XR5 and it will be faster than an RS, in a straight line maybe, but won't have the overall package of the RS.

Same as you can spend $10k and get a 335i to be faster than an M3 (in a straight line), but I'll take the 'slower' M3 please.

[Nurb608]

To those that say spend $10k on a XR5 and it will be faster than an RS, in a straight line maybe, but won't have the overall package of the RS.

You'd still have $16k spare though ;)

[hazrd]

You'd still have $16k spare though ;)

ill have $6k worth of suspension mods thanks :D

[Wraith]

Is it in the TG UK mag of July 2010? Here's their conclusion...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y1/atomidude/TopGearMag_1500.jpg

That looks like the one :)

I'll have to check out Mizzled's one as well...


It's alot of money for a FWD car.

we'll see if they will sell out their allocation, and what the resale value will be.

If resale value on a 1 yo model is very poor, I'll be interested in getting a 2nd hand one, but not at $60k- that's Golf R/Evo X money.

To those that say spend $10k on a XR5 and it will be faster than an RS, in a straight line maybe, but won't have the overall package of the RS.

Same as you can spend $10k and get a 335i to be faster than an M3 (in a straight line), but I'll take the 'slower' M3 please.

Agree, it's the same deal with any higher power/performance car model I suppose...always a case of easily getting similar or more power for a decent spend, (would only take 2.5k or less to make a 135i or 335i quicker than an M3 for eg.) but the rest of the mechanicals can't be matched and it destroys your warranty...very common case with modding Wrx's to similar or more power than Sti's...

[Wraith]

I'll take a blue one and a green one for the track please

Why would you want 2 of them or 2 of the same ??

Surely another 70+k vehicle can be had for street or track use as a better choice than 2 Focus Rs's if you wanted to have 2 vehicles...

[btm]

in an ideal world, i would have two of everything :p

[gmonkey]

Hmm yeh or I'll just have a 135i coupe... :p

[Wraith]

Hmm yeh or I'll just have a 135i coupe... :p

Agree...excellent choice !!! in fact rather than 2 x Focus RS or a 135i go for one of the new 135M's should be here 1st or 2nd quarter of 2011 around 95-110k and you'll still have plenty change...:)

Agree with BTM also 2 of everything would be nice in an ideal World where money is no object :)

[gmonkey]

If we are at $150k pretty much that's GTR territory :p

[nadg63]

Just got back from a visit to the UK and saw quite a few of these on the road, and yes I would like one very much - but at 60k+ I don't think I'll bother!?

[Wraith]

If we are at $150k pretty much that's GTR territory :p


Just got back from a visit to the UK and saw quite a few of these on the road, and yes I would like one very much - but at 60k+ I don't think I'll bother!?

Totally agree on both points above !!! :)

[Z20LET]

Saw one the other day in Krakow getting a boot full. The sound they put out is amazing! I didn't see any signs of wheel spin either. But like others have said 60k+ is alot for FWD. Still a nice piece of machinery though.

[hazrd]

Spotted by a mate up in QLD

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs160.ash2/41327_151255041563665_100000375112585_325423_79088 87_n.jpg

[gmonkey]

Steal that truck!!

[kabel]

If we are at $150k pretty much that's GTR territory :p
And which one would be cheaper to run/service......a GTR or a 135iM ?
I would be betting the BMW would be a better choice as a daily/weekend warrior !
J.M.O :-)

[gmonkey]

Oh I agree but in long run aswell gtr will hold it's value longer than a 135i :p as it will become a collectors cult car in the future.. The 135i in the end is a 1 series

[hazrd]

...

[MatsHolden]

Spotted by a mate up in QLD

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs160.ash2/41327_151255041563665_100000375112585_325423_79088 87_n.jpg
Saw a truck load out in broadmeadows the other day, tough looking beasts.

[Wraith]

And which one would be cheaper to run/service......a GTR or a 135iM ?
I would be betting the BMW would be a better choice as a daily/weekend warrior !
J.M.O :-)

Believe it or not, the GTR would be the far cheaper vehicle to run over the 1st 3 years because the sheduled and specialised Nissan servicing over that period is for free !!!!!!!! after that your on your own like any other vehicle...

Also depending on how much you run it, the fuel usage wouldn't be that much more than a 135i or the new and up coming 135M, the earlier N54 powered 135i averages 14-15ltrs/100km, the newer production N55 powered 135i's are averaging around only 1-2ltrs better per 100km. the R35 GTR swallows an average of 17ltrs/100km...

I do agree with you though, I'd definitely opt for the new 135M as both a daily and/or weekend car, it's performance will be more than enough for most (should easily match an E92 M3 and go way beyond if modified) and it won't be anywhere near as expensive as the GTR, of course it can't compare o/a to an R35 anyway :)


Oh I agree but in long run aswell gtr will hold it's value longer than a 135i :p as it will become a collectors cult car in the future.. The 135i in the end is a 1 series

The new 135M will be as desirable and hold its value as good as any other M BMW...the only reason it's not been offficially tagged M1 is because that title is already taken...but make no mistake it'll be a true M vehicle just like an M3 or M5 etc.

It'll only have a very short production run, because the new 1 series is due to appear late next year or early 2012, so numbers will be low making them more sought after :)

The R35 ATM seem to holding their value pretty well, certainly better than the E92 M3, they lose around 50-60k of their value after only the 1st 12 months...

[btm]

white or green... tough choice there, both look sensational!

[gmonkey]

real delivered R32 GTRs are still worth a small fortune if in good condition too :p so id imagine if history repeats a GTR in the long run would be a good buy

[kabel]

Believe it or not, the GTR would be the far cheaper vehicle to run over the 1st 3 years because the sheduled and specialised Nissan servicing over that period is for free !!!!!!!! after that your on your own like any other vehicle...

Also depending on how much you run it, the fuel usage wouldn't be that much more than a 135i or the new and up coming 135M, the earlier N54 powered 135i averages 14-15ltrs/100km, the newer production N55 powered 135i's are averaging around only 1-2ltrs better per 100km. the R35 GTR swallows an average of 17ltrs/100km...

I do agree with you though, I'd definitely opt for the new 135M as both a daily and/or weekend car, it's performance will be more than enough for most (should easily match an E92 M3 and go way beyond if modified) and it won't be anywhere near as expensive as the GTR, of course it can't compare o/a to an R35 anyway :)



The new 135M will be as desirable and hold its value as good as any other M BMW...the only reason it's not been offficially tagged M1 is because that title is already taken...but make no mistake it'll be a true M vehicle just like an M3 or M5 etc.

It'll only have a very short production run, because the new 1 series is due to appear late next year or early 2012, so numbers will be low making them more sought after :)

The R35 ATM seem to holding their value pretty well, certainly better than the E92 M3, they lose around 50-60k of their value after only the 1st 12 months...

There you go.....I did not know that re Nissan and free servicing.
Cheers.

[gman]

So out of interest I went and had a look at an RS over the NSW long weekend. The green look sgreat in the flesh up close, Recaro's are really nice. Dash and stereo surround are a little cheap fake carbon. Otherwise its a very nice package.

Now, here's the downside (as expected). List price $59,990 (plus the usual on-road crap). The particular dealer I went to had 2 cars (blue and green) and wanted....

$85,000 plus the on-roads!!!

Needless to say, whatever interest I had (and it was winning a new friend up to this stage) quicky dried up with the $25,000 premium. I think I'll stick to the other options (Megane RS when released or a 2nd hand VXR) when the trusty SRi-T come soff the road...

In short, what a joke!!!!

[btm]

$85K !!?!?! you've got to be kidding me????

[gman]

$85K !!?!?! you've got to be kidding me????

Mate i SH*T you not!!!! $85,000 plus on roads...Whilst I will not repeat my exact comments to the salesman, his response was and I quote:

"If you won't pay it someone else will. It the dealers decision what we charge and we know we'll get it."

[btm]

hard to fathom that someone would pay $85K plus onroads for one

think of all the other gems you could get for that price!

[JohnBu]

The dealer is dreaming.

They aren't sold out.. there about about 30 brand new one with delivery KMs only... lowest asking price is $67k drive away for a brand new one.

Give them a few months and I would say you'll be able to score one for $55k drive away.

I think these will depreciate fairly quickly, so good for second hand buyers.

[dieselhead]

Just had a chat with a Renault dealer today abot the new Megane RS 250. Top spec Trophee one is $55k drive away, the Cup only spec just under $50k drive away. I can't see how the Focus RS would worth almost double that when is just a bit faster (if at all) or a better handling thing (that is not really, from what I read...). The Focus RS is a great car but not worth more than a Golf R IMHO. Not that a souped up Golf is worth $60k but you get the idea...

[kabel]

Just had a chat with a Renault dealer today abot the new Megane RS 250. Top spec Trophee one is $55k drive away, the Cup only spec just under $50k drive away. I can't see how the Focus RS would worth almost double that when is just a bit faster (if at all) or a better handling thing (that is not really, from what I read...). The Focus RS is a great car but not worth more than a Golf R IMHO. Not that a souped up Golf is worth $60k but you get the idea...
Agreed.
Although I think anything you pay for a new niche car you would have to be prepared to take a whack in the wallet,or wait 12 months and buy a slightly used one and have someone take the kick in the wallet for you.
Personally I canot see anyone paying a 25k premium over the RRP.
Buy a XR5 for 35k and drop 20k into it worth of mods...still a mile in front and maybe just as good !

[adam_92]

i can honestly say i wasnt a massive fan of these but then the dealership where i work took delivery of 3. 2 white and 1 green and i absalutely love them haha the seats are amasing but the interior is very cheap and tacky for the price tag. The interior is exactly the same as the xr5 apart from the seats and door trim colours but the radio and carbon fibre effect dash and gauges are the same. But they are definatly not worth the price. We have sold the green 1 and 1 white 1 but we still have a white 1 left supposidly

[tomtom]

God i hope they don't jack up the price on the Astra OPC like that when it lands here in 2030.

[btm]

it'll be a collectors item by the time it gets here :lol:

[tomtom]

it'll be a collectors item by the time it gets here :lol:

"vintage" even hehe

[Shaun]

So out of interest I went and had a look at an RS over the NSW long weekend. The green look sgreat in the flesh up close, Recaro's are really nice. Dash and stereo surround are a little cheap fake carbon. Otherwise its a very nice package.

Now, here's the downside (as expected). List price $59,990 (plus the usual on-road crap). The particular dealer I went to had 2 cars (blue and green) and wanted....

$85,000 plus the on-roads!!!

Needless to say, whatever interest I had (and it was winning a new friend up to this stage) quicky dried up with the $25,000 premium. I think I'll stick to the other options (Megane RS when released or a 2nd hand VXR) when the trusty SRi-T come soff the road...

In short, what a joke!!!!

Tell him he is DEAMING!!!! PM Me the name of the dealership . Isnt there new laws now that are in place they must give you an ORC price now rather then the XX,XXX + ORC. hence why the Manfacturer websites no longer show RRP or List Pricing anymore.

On a side note . So much hype arround these cars because everyone keeps saying they are sold out but to be honest. If you think back to the VXR dealers claimed to have the 1st 100 sold before they landed and i recall finding stock of 2006 plated stock when i was looking for mine. I ended up waiting for a 2007 stock to arrive.

According to car point there is still plenty of stock arround. Also only the 1st 100 have arrived according to the XR5 Turbo Forums .
http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?Ntt=RS&keywords=RS&N=834+1216+1246+1247+1252+1282+4294966417+42949664 63+1558+467&PriceFrom=467&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode+matchany&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&D=RS

[kabel]

Saw a white one today...they look good,but not 85k good !

[adam_92]

had all 3 of ours out on the road and they are amasing. they spin the wheels like crazy though. i went round a corner in 3rd gear and stuck my boot in as i came out of the corner and the wheels just started spinning and smoking... FWD FTL, should have definatly been awd for the price

[liam]

85k is not only an absolute joke but the attitude about its pricing is downright rude too!

Id much prefer a Golf R having been driven around in one today! Its more than a spec'd up golf. EVERYTHING is tweaked and tuned from the lower models. Silly amounts of grip, it was soaking wet today and still clung to the road. Plus with the extra $25k you could get the car pushing stupid figures. I know the one I experienced today has been tuned (only electrics at the moment) and now hits 100 in under 4.4 secs. With the owners impending plans it will be hitting high 3's.

[Wraith]

Saw a white one today...they look good,but not 85k good !

85k ??? where the hell did that come from ???


85k is not only an absolute joke but the attitude about its pricing is downright rude too!

Id much prefer a Golf R having been driven around in one today! Its more than a spec'd up golf. EVERYTHING is tweaked and tuned from the lower models. Silly amounts of grip, it was soaking wet today and still clung to the road. Plus with the extra $25k you could get the car pushing stupid figures. I know the one I experienced today has been tuned (only electrics at the moment) and now hits 100 in under 4.4 secs. With the owners impending plans it will be hitting high 3's.

Agree...have said similar in other threads regarding this RS Focus vs other hot hatches...

Why wouldn't you buy a BMW 135i instead with the same 85k ?? ;)

BTW AFAIK those performance numbers of the Golf R are seem very optimistic, latest Motor Mag has a pretty wildly modded example and it runs very well, but not that good...

If it's capable of 3's to 100km/h I'd say its steetabilty has gone right out the window...

[liam]

He will be looking at new turbo setups, new air intakes, new intercoolers, while also dropping weight throughout the car (small stuff like wheels). The tuning house he uses are very optimistic to hitting it in under four seconds. In reality its only half a second he is missing to getting it in 3.9 seconds.

Either way its still a stupidly quick hot hatch haha

[Wraith]

He will be looking at new turbo setups, new air intakes, new intercoolers, while also dropping weight throughout the car (small stuff like wheels). The tuning house he uses are very optimistic to hitting it in under four seconds. In reality its only half a second he is missing to getting it in 3.9 seconds.

Either way its still a stupidly quick hot hatch haha

Agree, it's quick even stock or just a stg 1 or 2 tune...

A bit dissapointing though on some 'real life' numbers on the Golf R as mentioned earlier from latest Motor Mag like average fuel consumption listed at around 12.9 ltrs/100km that's higher than an Evo 10...you'll have to pussy foot around to get the VW quoted 7.9ltrs/100km :D

[gman]

85k ??? where the hell did that come from ???

Thats what I was quoted by a Dealer hen I went and looked at one...$85K plus ORC's

[ChrisMaz]

85k is not only an absolute joke but the attitude about its pricing is downright rude too!

Id much prefer a Golf R having been driven around in one today! Its more than a spec'd up golf. EVERYTHING is tweaked and tuned from the lower models. Silly amounts of grip, it was soaking wet today and still clung to the road. Plus with the extra $25k you could get the car pushing stupid figures. I know the one I experienced today has been tuned (only electrics at the moment) and now hits 100 in under 4.4 secs. With the owners impending plans it will be hitting high 3's.

+1 to that. Dads been looking at golfs as the company car is due to be upgraded. Test drove a Golf R from a local dealership at it was amazing. Still wish it was a V6 lump like R's past.

[Wraith]

Thats what I was quoted by a Dealer hen I went and looked at one...$85K plus ORC's

Bloody hell - so that means it's around a 90k car all up ???

Seriously for that much, all things considered you've really, really got to be delusional to buy one...well IMO anyway :)

[MatsHolden]

had all 3 of ours out on the road and they are amasing. they spin the wheels like crazy though. i went round a corner in 3rd gear and stuck my boot in as i came out of the corner and the wheels just started spinning and smoking... FWD FTL, should have definatly been awd for the price

And that's how your "$90,000" car is treated. To any prospective buyers. lol

[kabel]

85k ??? where the hell did that come from ???



Agree...have said similar in other threads regarding this RS Focus vs other hot hatches...

Why wouldn't you buy a BMW 135i instead with the same 85k ?? ;)

BTW AFAIK those performance numbers of the Golf R are seem very optimistic, latest Motor Mag has a pretty wildly modded example and it runs very well, but not that good...

If it's capable of 3's to 100km/h I'd say its steetabilty has gone right out the window...

For a minute I thought I was dillusional....don`t make me doubt myself like that Wraith !

And MatsHolden I was thinking the same thing.
Great way to treat a car that is yet to be run in also.

[DJM83]

So out of interest I went and had a look at an RS over the NSW long weekend. The green look sgreat in the flesh up close, Recaro's are really nice. Dash and stereo surround are a little cheap fake carbon. Otherwise its a very nice package.

Now, here's the downside (as expected). List price $59,990 (plus the usual on-road crap). The particular dealer I went to had 2 cars (blue and green) and wanted....

$85,000 plus the on-roads!!!


Needless to say, whatever interest I had (and it was winning a new friend up to this stage) quicky dried up with the $25,000 premium. I think I'll stick to the other options (Megane RS when released or a 2nd hand VXR) when the trusty SRi-T come soff the road...

In short, what a joke!!!!
Mate the dealer you went to must reaally want to hang onto his RS $85k is dreaming.
Alot of good and bad comments about the RS in here. As an owner of an XR5 i can say there is ALOT more in an RS then there is in an XR5 yeah sure you can spend 20k on your XR5 but it will NEVER be an RS you only have to delve into the RS name and you know it has some pedigree as a lot of people would already know.
Comparing the 135 BMW is like chalk and cheese, and bias aside id still take the RS in 5 years time what is your 135 going to be worth? Yeah im sure it would provide a hell of a lot of fun in the process but IMO it has nothing on the RS. They are completly different cars.
IMO i think this is the best RS ever made and with the new ST around the corner it will take something special to top the 5 potter.

[Wraith]

For a minute I thought I was dillusional....don`t make me doubt myself like that Wraith !

And MatsHolden I was thinking the same thing.
Great way to treat a car that is yet to be run in also.

LOL I'll never let off the hook kabel if you buy this thing over a similar priced 135i :p

As always though each to their own :)


Mate the dealer you went to must reaally want to hang onto his RS $85k is dreaming.
Alot of good and bad comments about the RS in here. As an owner of an XR5 i can say there is ALOT more in an RS then there is in an XR5 yeah sure you can spend 20k on your XR5 but it will NEVER be an RS you only have to delve into the RS name and you know it has some pedigree as a lot of people would already know.
Comparing the 135 BMW is like chalk and cheese, and bias aside id still take the RS in 5 years time what is your 135 going to be worth? Yeah im sure it would provide a hell of a lot of fun in the process but IMO it has nothing on the RS. They are completly different cars.
IMO i think this is the best RS ever made and with the new ST around the corner it will take something special to top the 5 potter.

I can agree with some of the above, but at nearly '3' times the price (ie. the run out price currently available of $32,990 for a new XR5T) none of the extras of the RS over the XR5T can justify that price ! but as said each to their own...

I also doubt very much that in this Country the RS Focus will maintain any significant better resale than any other good hot hatch, of course we'll be waiting a long time to see...on that front, you'd be much better off spending that same amount of money or maybe only slightly more and get a new upcoming S/C Ford Falcon GT HO, without a doubt that car will maintain better resale than the Focus RS and it'll be far superior in performance as well...

You are right about the 135i and RS being 2 totally different vehicles, for the same money IMHO the RS dosn't even begin to compare...the Beemer has got everything the RS dosn't; class, prestige, quality, style, looks, performance, enhancement potential, etc. etc. all over and above the Focus...you could also run a comparison against other cars such as an Evo 10 for eg. and many others, again the RS will come up well short...

The main thing that kills this RS is that ridiculous price tag here in Aust. obviously it's a case of 'milking it' if they can because for what it is, it shouldn't cost anywhere near that much IMO.

[liam]

I agree with Wraith, the price tag for the RS is just ludicrous. Asking 90 thousand dollars for what is in essence a done up focus is far too much money IMO no matter how good it is. I completely agree the RS would be a different car to the XR5 but, for 90k you still have FWD, Ford build quality (questionable in terms of quality in my book) and the dealers already asking $20+ K over the RRP resale might not reflect this later on.

Looking at the competition - 135i, Golf R, Subaru WRX STI, Evo X each have their own strong points. I would immediately knock out the STI and EvoX purely due to their interior quality - My Dad recently test drove the Evo and was disappointed in the quality of the interior, it feels very similar to my NA engine lancer with the Evo at double the price it shouldn't be the case , Mums WRX lacks the 'Solid' feel interior wise no more needs to be said -.

That leaves us down to two euro cars. Undoubtedly you pay more for the BMW prestige but at similar money to the RS the quality of product is instantly noticeable - for example open the door on your own XR5, they dont have a solid metal feel, but rather feel cheap and flimsy, dont get me wrong this isnt a dig at your car and please dont read it like that. But I know from my own experience with an XR5 the feel dosent compare to euro cars - We can only hope Ford would pick the game up on the RS although looking at the other expensive FPV cars this isnt the case. The BMW comes with the refinement expected of a 90 thousand dollar car as does the Golf R.

Performance wise all of the above mentioned cars are fast lets face it, my choice here if it were only a track car would probably be the EvoX. The 135i and Golf R would be more than capable of keeping up if not beating the RS and tuning possibilities are endless. No matter what electrical systems and suspension/bracing Ford have developed I would still like to see the RS FWD try to hold its own against its 4WD competitors on a tight twisty track.

I just feel Ford lacks the refinement of a 90 thousand dollar purchase, as does Subaru and Mitsubishi. For a long long time euro cars have always been seen as the most prestigious and luxury and having experienced cars from both asia and europe I can most definitely agree. It seems to me all of these high power asian cars are more a case of an engine first and foremost and everything else second.

[DJM83]

LOL I'll never let off the hook kabel if you buy this thing over a similar priced 135i :p

As always though each to their own :)



I can agree with some of the above, but at nearly '3' times the price (ie. the run out price currently available of $32,990 for a new XR5T) none of the extras of the RS over the XR5T can justify that price ! but as said each to their own...

I also doubt very much that in this Country the RS Focus will maintain any significant better resale than any other good hot hatch, of course we'll be waiting a long time to see...on that front, you'd be much better off spending that same amount of money or maybe only slightly more and get a new upcoming S/C Ford Falcon GT HO, without a doubt that car will maintain better resale than the Focus RS and it'll be far superior in performance as well...

You are right about the 135i and RS being 2 totally different vehicles, for the same money IMHO the RS dosn't even begin to compare...the Beemer has got everything the RS dosn't; class, prestige, quality, style, looks, performance, enhancement potential, etc. etc. all over and above the Focus...you could also run a comparison against other cars such as an Evo 10 for eg. and many others, again the RS will come up well short...

The main thing that kills this RS is that ridiculous price tag here in Aust. obviously it's a case of 'milking it' if they can because for what it is, it shouldn't cost anywhere near that much IMO.
There is no S/C GTHO
As i said if you pay 85k for an RS you have been robbed. Yeah at a price maybe double the XR5 plus about 2-3k~ dont know how you got 3 times the price :yikes: i did a search and there is 3 RS's above 70k (One at 79k), whilst i do admit they are a tad over priced though
RS has IMO quality or very close to the BMW hell the XR5 is bloody good.
The I5T has PLENTY of enhancment potential, Mountune kits for one. Theres plenty more. Even in standard performance they are pretty similar (RS and 135i)

IMO the RS will hold its value seen as at this current time it is the ONLY late model varient that has seen our shores (Sure there was some private imports of older models) i think the RS has that 'collectable' aura whereas the Beemer has.... well nothing apart from a more expensive price tag and in most cases anywhere from 1000kms to 3500kms on them already so a demo

[gman]

There's a new 5.0Lt supercharged GT on it's way using the new Coyote base. 335kw's std IIRC....


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[GreyRex]

There is no S/C GTHO
As i said if you pay 85k for an RS you have been robbed. Yeah at a price maybe double the XR5 plus about 2-3k~ dont know how you got 3 times the price :yikes: i did a search and there is 3 RS's above 70k (One at 79k), whilst i do admit they are a tad over priced though
RS has IMO quality or very close to the BMW hell the XR5 is bloody good.
The I5T has PLENTY of enhancment potential, Mountune kits for one. Theres plenty more. Even in standard performance they are pretty similar (RS and 135i)

IMO the RS will hold its value seen as at this current time it is the ONLY late model varient that has seen our shores (Sure there was some private imports of older models) i think the RS has that 'collectable' aura whereas the Beemer has.... well nothing apart from a more expensive price tag and in most cases anywhere from 1000kms to 3500kms on them already so a demo

Interesting comments here

I am a BIG fan of both cars

I'm lucky enough to be able to drive a manual BMW 135i when I choose. So I can actually comment on how it drives...

I can't comment on how the RS drives, as i havent driven one (nor will most of us). I have driven a few XR5s though... tuned and stock

To say the RS has performance similar to a 135i i feel is stretching it a bit - although it may be similar in-gear. Power down (especially in the wet)... torque steer (yes - it'll be there)... braking - the whole experience just wouldn't be at the same level

It would be interesting to see them both on a windy mountain road - where the RS would probably be more in its element, but... im guessing we don't all drive along them everyday

For me it'd come down to... "Is a FWD chassis worth that much, no matter how good it is?" Especially when, for that amount of money (~70K)... there's a few that could outperform it.

I don't think anyone knows about resale. I think it'll all be relative - it depends how much of a premium the original purchaser of the RS pays over the RRP i guess (if at all), as to whether they feel it's a fair price when they choose to sell it. Not that the second-hand purchaser will care - but if i paid that amount of money for a RS, I'd say it'll be eye-watering to see how much they drop. No doubt they'll sell quickly when they become used though

[CNBLU]

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=9390805&keywords=rs turbo&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode matchany&__D=rs turbo&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=1141935416AD&__N=1216 1246 1247 1252 1282 4294966463&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Ntx=mode matchallpartial&Cr=0&__Ntt=rs turbo&trecs=55

65k drive away isnt too bad

[JohnBu]

RS has IMO quality or very close to the BMW hell the XR5 is bloody good.

I like the RS... but the quality- very close?

very close as in I was chatting to Jennifer Hawkins (when she was signing a catalogue), man, I was very close to banging her, if the security guards didn't usher me away, close?

I don't have any loyalty to any brands, but the interior of the XR5 reeks. BMWs interiors don't. XR5- great value for money, the RS isn't.

[DJM83]

Interesting comments here

I am a BIG fan of both cars

I'm lucky enough to be able to drive a manual BMW 135i when I choose. So I can actually comment on how it drives...

I can't comment on how the RS drives, as i havent driven one (nor will most of us). I have driven a few XR5s though... tuned and stock

To say the RS has performance similar to a 135i i feel is stretching it a bit - although it may be similar in-gear. Power down (especially in the wet)... torque steer (yes - it'll be there)... braking - the whole experience just wouldn't be at the same level

It would be interesting to see them both on a windy mountain road - where the RS would probably be more in its element, but... im guessing we don't all drive along them everyday

For me it'd come down to... "Is a FWD chassis worth that much, no matter how good it is?" Especially when, for that amount of money (~70K)... there's a few that could outperform it.

I don't think anyone knows about resale. I think it'll all be relative - it depends how much of a premium the original purchaser of the RS pays over the RRP i guess (if at all), as to whether they feel it's a fair price when they choose to sell it. Not that the second-hand purchaser will care - but if i paid that amount of money for a RS, I'd say it'll be eye-watering to see how much they drop. No doubt they'll sell quickly when they become used though
Some good points there aswell, i only put the resale aspect in as a positive. If it were my car i wouldnt be preserving it for the next owner so to speak so it wouldnt sit in the shed 'appreciating'
I still stand by my performance aspect though i really do think the RS will hold its own against the 135i. Yeah there will be some torque steer in the RS as will there (IMO) be some oversteer when pushing hard in the 135i but trying to get an accurate comparison would be hard as seeing them in the comparo as they arent in the same class so to speak.
Im in no way slagging of the 135i i just think you are paying more for the badge then the actual car i mean look at some of the prices around quiet high compared to the RS but as i already alluded to they arent in the same class really.
RS hard edged boy racer
135i composed grunty big engine in a little car and a little more tame to look at.
Both good cars in their own respect though

[Wraith]

There is no S/C GTHO
As i said if you pay 85k for an RS you have been robbed. Yeah at a price maybe double the XR5 plus about 2-3k~ dont know how you got 3 times the price :yikes: i did a search and there is 3 RS's above 70k (One at 79k), whilst i do admit they are a tad over priced though
RS has IMO quality or very close to the BMW hell the XR5 is bloody good.
The I5T has PLENTY of enhancment potential, Mountune kits for one. Theres plenty more. Even in standard performance they are pretty similar (RS and 135i)

IMO the RS will hold its value seen as at this current time it is the ONLY late model varient that has seen our shores (Sure there was some private imports of older models) i think the RS has that 'collectable' aura whereas the Beemer has.... well nothing apart from a more expensive price tag and in most cases anywhere from 1000kms to 3500kms on them already so a demo

Re: GT HO - Oh yes there is...re-read my post, I said 'upcoming' as in future tense :)

Also as said, run out XR5T's can be had for $32,990 drive away !!! nearly 3 times the price for the boy racers wet dream Focus RS :p

Sorry, but IMHO interior quality despite being OK is no where near as good as the Beemer, despite it only being a 1 series...135i (ie. N54 TT IL6 engined examples) have ALOT more aftermarket tuning available than the 5 pot in the RS, OEM is plentyful as well - not sure what will be available here for the RS on the OEM front though...

I still think the RS value will drop as would an XR5T, main reason being it's already overpriced by at least 25k - we'll see what happens ;)

[DJM83]

There's a new 5.0Lt supercharged GT on it's way using the new Coyote base. 335kw's std IIRC....


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Whilst im aware of that i was pointing out that there isnt a GTHO. But yes you info is correct



Re: GT HO - Oh yes there is...re-read my post, I said 'upcoming' as in future tense :)

The Ford people that i know (some quite high people) confirm there is no GTHO. I can garrantee you that. Im not going to bring it into here as this is about the RS not GT. Feel free to PM me if you have any opinions or details you wish to share
$32,990? Most expensive RS i have seen is $79,990, so going off 3 x the price leaves the XR5 @ $26,663 new. If you can find a new XR5 @ that price ill have another 2
$32,990 x 2 = $65980
Tuning i still beg to differ on AM tuning abilities I have heard Ford will release a 'reflash' for what they call 'track use only' but i cannot confirm that
Even at the most expensive RS @ 79k it isnt even near 3 time the price.

[Shaun]

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/bncis/details.aspx?R=9390805&keywords=rs turbo&tsrc=allcarhome&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode matchany&__D=rs turbo&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=1141935416AD&__N=1216 1246 1247 1252 1282 4294966463&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&__Qpb=true&__Ntx=mode matchallpartial&Cr=0&__Ntt=rs turbo&trecs=55

65k drive away isnt too bad

True its not a bad price.

As for the 60K pricing though Ford Australia is aiming the car at the buyers of the Imprezza STi and Evo X. Which when you look at it sits on par with both those products. The Limited numbers though will help push them at that price. Although i still think in 6 months time dealers will still have stock based on how the VXR sold .

[liam]

HAHA that made me chuckle

[CNBLU]

I like the RS... but the quality- very close?

very close as in I was chatting to Jennifer Hawkins (when she was signing a catalogue), man, I was very close to banging her, if the security guards didn't usher me away, close?

I don't have any loyalty to any brands, but the interior of the XR5 reeks. BMWs interiors don't. XR5- great value for money, the RS isn't.

what a pisser :lol:

[Wraith]

Whilst im aware of that i was pointing out that there isnt a GTHO. But yes you info is correct


The Ford people that i know (some quite high people) confirm there is no GTHO. I can garrantee you that. Im not going to bring it into here as this is about the RS not GT. Feel free to PM me if you have any opinions or details you wish to share
$32,990? Most expensive RS i have seen is $79,990, so going off 3 x the price leaves the XR5 @ $26,663 new. If you can find a new XR5 @ that price ill have another 2
$32,990 x 2 = $65980
Tuning i still beg to differ on AM tuning abilities I have heard Ford will release a 'reflash' for what they call 'track use only' but i cannot confirm that
Even at the most expensive RS @ 79k it isnt even near 3 time the price.

OK we'll leave it at that...we'll see what happens in time regarding the GT HO...

As for the left over XR5T's last year I got a drive away price of $32,990 from 2 dealers - Ford Nepean Hwy dealer and Ford dealer in Essendon (the new multi dealerships network there) price I saw advertised not long ago is $34,990 drive away...

I'm sure anyone could get one at $32,990 with a bit of barganing ;) 3 times that price is not too far off the RS at 90k+ if that's what people are saying they're worth, that's what my comments are based on, otherwise at 79k or whatever price it's going for it's more reasonable but IMHO still a rip for what it is...each to their own...

AS Shaun mentione above, because it's such a niche vehicle and because it's so obviously overpriced, there will be examples left over and in time the new car value or purchase price will drop so stealers can try and 'move' them along as what happened with the VXR...

[hazrd]

Is it too late for popcorn?

[gman]

Yep....Thread Closed :)