car decisions for 20k

[adam_92]

right guys iv just got a second job paying decent money so i may be selling the barina within the next year (by the end of 2010)

iv worked out with both jobs that i can save around $20,000 in 6 month and obviously the longer i wait the more i can save 12 month would be around $40,000 etc

so if you had 20k to spend on a car what would it be and why... something made after 2005 as i would want something newer than the barina as anything older imo is going backwards and also want a bit of power... probably v6

[poita]

VZ comm ute

[ROCCO]

a SCUBIE!!

[hazrd]

6 speed AH SRi

Could probably get one for just under 20k
07 though, the 08 onwards are only a 1.8... i would say the non turbo as well because of your age..... insurance would be a BIATCH otherwise

[Vectracious]

the newest Commo SV6 you can afford.

[dutchy]

Get a new paint job for the barina, new rims, new suspension, shove a brand new v8 in the front (or in the back), new gearbox, some nice leather seats & further interior re-trim........ that's about 20 grand and you've got yourself a brand new car !!!:lol:

[adam_92]

and then end up with a barina that is very hard to sell and isnt worth much more

[mmahle]

Save up for something better...

a deposit for a HOUSE!
Then wait 2 years, wait for the equity to grow, and borrow against the value of the house. :)

[dutchy]

and then end up with a barina that is very hard to sell and isnt worth much more

whatever new car you buy, halves in value anyway within a few years. Same will the barina but al least you got something special.

[adam_92]

yeah i was considering puting a 2.0 litre v6 turbo in the barina but at the end of the day no matter what you do to it... its still a barina

[poita]

2L V6? from an audi?

[dutchy]

yeah i was considering puting a 2.0 litre v6 turbo in the barina but at the end of the day no matter what you do to it... its still a barina

But a hell of a fast Barina :lol:

[adam_92]

2L V6? from an audi?


i wasnt sure which one but i wanted a 2 litre v6

its been done before but not 100% sure what engine... should be something on google

[poita]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc83piaIf40&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrJXrhn2DDA&feature=player_embedded



http://corsasport.co.uk/board/garage.php?action=usergarage&owner=BeArDy&carid=1293&page=all

http://corsasport.co.uk/board/garage.php?action=usergarage&owner=BeArDy&carid=3527&page=all

http://corsasport.co.uk/board/garage.php?action=usergarage&owner=BeArDy&carid=4926&page=all

http://fk-oc.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?259.0

[dutchy]

That's with a 3lt. v6 ! NICE 3498

[adam_92]

all very nice but did u spot the connection ??

there all corsa b's

[adam_92]

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=7981638&keywords=&SearchAction=N&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=414&__No=30&PriceFrom=393&YearFromShort=1649&__D=ute&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=12576625D1E4&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%20901%20393%20414%20 1649%201621&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntk=CarAll&Cr=1&__Ntt=ute&trecs=178&__Qpb=true

im thinking more along the lines of this... give it 6-12 months and it should be cheaper again

[Shay]

theres a quick and hot looking astra diesel sitting here in WA for 18

or get a supra...
or a rx8 (not looked at the price of them recently tho so they may be too much)

[gmonkey]

well if ur doing $20k in 6months why not $25k in 8months and get a VXR?

[brc]

well if ur doing $20k in 6months why not $25k in 8months and get a VXR?

+1

[Calibrated]

Save up for something better...

a deposit for a HOUSE!
Then wait 2 years, wait for the equity to grow, and borrow against the value of the house. :)
this

[JohnBu]

being under 21, I wouldn't bother buying a high powered car, be it turbo 4, 6 or V8.

Insurance will be way too much.

save up, drive the barina for a couple more years and then purchase whatever you want @ 21... i.e. 135i or 370Z for $40k, or HSV VE Clubsport for $25k.

[lithium]

for 20k i'd buy something like an immaculate manual 380 or an Aurion

for something more exciting and more likely to fall apart i'd say a modern V6 falcon or V6 commodore. don't go too old because some of the older V6s are slugs esp. in auto - even some of the older V8s are pretty slow by todays standards

something even more exciting but prone to falling apart, an XR6 turbo in good condition?

[lithium]

just to add if you don't need tyre-smoking performance and like spinning the engine up to the moon have you considered an Accord Euro? nice cars those ones

[guy 27]

I am going to have to go with the house option as well.

[boorny88]

go a house dob will be worth more in the end

[Corsa_Rob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kjBuEnUrc

do it, you know you want to :)

[gmonkey]

house option is all well and good but he is only young and dont think he'd want to really sign a 25+ year loan ahaha ( i know i almost did, but changed mind)

[gmonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kjBuEnUrc

do it, you know you want to :)


needs side intakes like the Clio v6 had :p

[Wraith]

right guys iv just got a second job paying decent money so i may be selling the barina within the next year (by the end of 2010)

iv worked out with both jobs that i can save around $20,000 in 6 month and obviously the longer i wait the more i can save 12 month would be around $40,000 etc

so if you had 20k to spend on a car what would it be and why... something made after 2005 as i would want something newer than the barina as anything older imo is going backwards and also want a bit of power... probably v6

My advice is to go brand new, not S/H...anything you can get new for 20k is a step up from your Barina...

However considering a budget of only 20k and wanting a V6 vehicle you may be restricted with new car choices...

How about waiting an extra 6 months and then looking for something new and alot better with that 40k budget you mentioned instead ?? that's what I'd do ;)

[gmonkey]

Wait for the new aveo(barina) RS and buy one of them!! i will be trading in the astra perhaps for one

[adam_92]

iv been doing a lot of looking over the past 2 days and iv decided not to go v6 or v8 and stick with 4 cylinders.

iv been looking at the bmw 1 series and you can get earlyer models for low $20k. 2.0 litre is enough for me and wont cost as much to insure and rego and would last me a hell of a lot longer than a 2 seater ute as id be looking for a long term car 5+ years which leaves me at 23/24 and then by that time itd probably be starting a family time and a ute just isnt practical for that stuff.

my mates parents bought a bmw 1 series in england a few years ago and it was such a beautiful car and it was such a nice drive too and ever since then iv always had a soft spot for them so i will more than likely go for a 118i/120i in around 6-12 months... watch this space

[Shay]

iv been doing a lot of looking over the past 2 days and iv decided not to go v6 or v8 and stick with 4 cylinders.

iv been looking at the bmw 1 series and you can get earlyer models for low $20k. 2.0 litre is enough for me and wont cost as much to insure and rego and would last me a hell of a lot longer than a 2 seater ute as id be looking for a long term car 5+ years which leaves me at 23/24 and then by that time itd probably be starting a family time and a ute just isnt practical for that stuff.

my mates parents bought a bmw 1 series in england a few years ago and it was such a beautiful car and it was such a nice drive too and ever since then iv always had a soft spot for them so i will more than likely go for a 118i/120i in around 6-12 months... watch this space

dont waste your money, the 4 cyl bimmers are purely economical cars, you will be bored out of your skull, better of sticking with what youve got.
why not keep the barina and build something up? that will easily suck that 20K out of the bank if you do it right.

[adam_92]

surealy a 2.0 bimmer is gonna be more powerful than a 1.4 barina and iv alredy decided that im gonna get rid of the barina but its just a matter of saving a bit of money and finding a good replacement that i can keep long term with a noticable power gain without going stupid like a v8 ute

[adam_92]

and i would also like to stick with opels... maybe an ah sri-t or vxr

[J]

adam_92: I was doing exactly what you are doing about 2 years ago. I like the handling and braking of the Corsa, but prefer to have a bit more space and performance without significant increase in running cost, and still have good reliability. My budget was also 20k.

As I drive less than 15,000 km a year, the biggest running cost for me is the insurance premium (depreciation doesn't matter to me, as I tend to drive my cars to the ground). That immediately ruled out the Audi's and BMW's for me (at least for the 3 series upwards, as the 1 series is outside my budget). It also rules out others such as the S15 200SX's, and the WRX's and EVO's, meaning I most likely need to stick with NA cars. Not liking that prospect, I eventually discovered, much to my surprise, that the TS Astra Turbo actually costs LESS for me to insure than a Focus ST170, or even a Honda Accord Euro! The rest, as they say, is history... :)

[What's more, due to the small turbo and moderate standard boost, I have learnt to ride on the low rev torque of the SRi-T, and shift up early most of the time. Over time, I noticed it is actually quite easy to do sub-9L/100km in it, which is just icing on the cake!]

So, the conclusion? I am not sure if you have already run some actual online insurance estimates for different cars under the same (your) conditions. If you haven't, I'd strongly suggest you do so, because you might be (pleasantly) surprised at the results. As Shay says, BMWs are nice, but the power to weight ratio of the 4 cylinder petrols aren't much to write home about, the back of it won't be that much roomier than your Corsa, and the servicing, if not the insurance costs, will be noticeably higher, if my estimates are correct.

Caveat emptor!

[Shay]

surealy a 2.0 bimmer is gonna be more powerful than a 1.4 barina and iv alredy decided that im gonna get rid of the barina but its just a matter of saving a bit of money and finding a good replacement that i can keep long term with a noticable power gain without going stupid like a v8 ute
a little bit more powerful, a lot more weight, and they are tuned down for economy not tuned to go fast...
minimum get one of the straight 6 bimmers, and one series (except the newest one) are not a good looking car IMO, better off going a newer 3 or 5 series.

[Vectracious]

have driven both 4 and 6 cyl 1 series, and if you cant afford at least a 125i - don't bother.

[Shay]

DUDe, why not look at Shoeys green boxed diesel then? Dumped on AH Srit 18's and has the power of a stock SRiT, and a LOT more torque, and you still have change from 20K to pay for insurance, transfers, stamp duty and the rest...

[adam_92]

adam_92: I was doing exactly what you are doing about 2 years ago. I like the handling and braking of the Corsa, but prefer to have a bit more space and performance without significant increase in running cost, and still have good reliability. My budget was also 20k.

dude you just hit the nail on the head... thats exactly what i want.

iv always liked the ah sri's but they are getting a little too old and too high kms for what i want but if i was to find a lowish km newest model then id definatly be interested

[adam_92]

this is probably a question for imay and the others but what are the topless ones like ? 2.2 auto bertone or the twin tops ?

[hazrd]

dude you just hit the nail on the head... thats exactly what i want.

iv always liked the ah sri's but they are getting a little too old and[b] too high kms [b]for what i want but if i was to find a lowish km newest model then id definatly be interested



mine had 25,000km on it... not much at all ;)

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=413&Qpb=true&Ntt=SRi&keywords=SRi&SearchAction=N&N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965857%20 4294965856%20413%204294870357&sid=126582E4CD90&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode%20matchany&Nne=15&tsrc=allcarhome&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_Dec imal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model _String%7c0&D=SRi
a tad over budget - but 22kms


http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/results.aspx?PriceTo=413&Qpb=true&Ntt=SRi&keywords=SRi&SearchAction=N&N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965857%20 4294965856%20413%204294870357&sid=126582E4CD90&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode%20matchany&Nne=15&tsrc=allcarhome&Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_Dec imal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Model _String%7c0&D=SRi
only 28kms + change from 20 grand!!!

[adam_92]

ah shit my bad... i said ah and i ment astra g. ah is fine lol thats actually what im looking at right now. this thing is practically brand new

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8186679&YearFromShort=1649&__Qpb=true&Cr=3&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%204294965857%2042949 65856%20901%201621%20%201649&SearchAction=N&silo=1011&__No=30&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=98&__sid=12642DF7C6E4

[rodsfromday]

iv been doing a lot of looking over the past 2 days and iv decided not to go v6 or v8 and stick with 4 cylinders.

iv been looking at the bmw 1 series and you can get earlyer models for low $20k. 2.0 litre is enough for me and wont cost as much to insure and rego and would last me a hell of a lot longer than a 2 seater ute as id be looking for a long term car 5+ years which leaves me at 23/24 and then by that time itd probably be starting a family time and a ute just isnt practical for that stuff.

my mates parents bought a bmw 1 series in england a few years ago and it was such a beautiful car and it was such a nice drive too and ever since then iv always had a soft spot for them so i will more than likely go for a 118i/120i in around 6-12 months... watch this space
I have driven BMW a fair bit back in South Africa. They are great cars to drive but service wise they are costly. When i moved over here, all i had on my mind was getting another beemer but when i had look at the service costs dropped that idea like a hot potato. If you can afford the costs, by all means. go for it, you wont be sorry, just try and get the sportier models and in a manual!!

[adam_92]

thanks mate. taking all of the costs into consideration (insurance, service costs, rego etc) iv decided against the beemer even though they are a very nice car and am now swaying towards a astra of some sort. undecided between a bertone, a twin top, a sri or even go all out with a vxr

[dutchy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-kjBuEnUrc

do it, you know you want to :)


COOL..... Like this one too, trade the Barina for an old Astra, buy a crate ls1 engine and this is what you get....... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gpf-iGhe0E :swg:

[mania]

VXR :p. I wonder if the insurance costs are disproportionally higher then the SRi-t though?

Mine's pretty cheap to insure...

[adam_92]

im quite drawn to the red ah sri with the gray leather interior on carsales as you dont see a lot of red sri's around


http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=8039267&keywords=SRi&SearchAction=N&__Ntk=CarAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=414&__No=0&YearFromShort=1648&__D=SRi&silo=1011&seot=1&__sid=12642DF7C6E4&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965857% 204294965856%201621%201648%20%20414&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=12&__Ntt=SRi&trecs=29&__Qpb=true

[dutchy]

By that time, they will have end of financial year sales.

If u wait a bit longer, you'll be able to buy the current astra as run-out model because of the new model that's coming up.

[adam_92]

by what time ? id probably be looking at around 9 months time so i can save around 25-30k and havnt they stopped selling new astras already ?

[mania]

Red ones, with some bits (ie door bump strips and diffuser) painted black look mint :)

Case in point:

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/2/medium/vauxhall-limited-edition-corsa--astra-vxr_1.jpg

[adam_92]

yeah that looks amasing. thats what i was planning on doing which is why i wanted a red one. and also the chrome boot strip all gloss black

[mania]

Well, vxrs should be nice and affordable by then. Do itt :p

[hazrd]

just bear in mind the later model SRi 's are only a 1.8, not a 2.2.. so u lose power

[dutchy]

by what time ? id probably be looking at around 9 months time so i can save around 25-30k and havnt they stopped selling new astras already ?

in 5 to 6 months time. June/july end of financial year sales. They have heaps of astra's still in stock.

[darkirv]

right guys iv just got a second job paying decent money so i may be selling the barina within the next year (by the end of 2010)

iv worked out with both jobs that i can save around $20,000 in 6 month and obviously the longer i wait the more i can save 12 month would be around $40,000 etc

so if you had 20k to spend on a car what would it be and why... something made after 2005 as i would want something newer than the barina as anything older imo is going backwards and also want a bit of power... probably v6


vz sv6 :)

[gmonkey]

honestly i wouldnt go anywhere near a v6 commodore, they drive like dogs balls also been told the DOHC VVt engines in them are dodgy aswell

[adam_92]

nah i wouldnt touch a commodore.

[darkirv]

i liked driving the vz sv6 around even the ve omegas had a bit of go.. what about a ba - bf xr6 falcon?

[adam_92]

my brothers got a ba mk2 xr6 falcon so i want something different. im probably gonna go for an ah astra sri.

[gmonkey]

go turbo or u will regret it.... trust me! around same sorta pricing now days and insurance premium will be high no matter what for a 18yr old

[DAHUI]

Save up for something better...

a deposit for a HOUSE!
Then wait 2 years, wait for the equity to grow, and borrow against the value of the house. :)


Def the way to go!.. vehicles = bad investment

[maloo97]

How about a Ford Xr6 Turbo.

A bit of both for you!

[mmahle]

go turbo or u will regret it.... trust me! around same sorta pricing now days and insurance premium will be high no matter what for a 18yr old

That's not true. lol. I sell insurance. You put the word Turbo, and then 18. You're looking at 3-4k. Something excessive. Some places won't even insure you.

[poita]

That's not true. lol. I sell insurance. You put the word Turbo, and then 18. You're looking at 3-4k. Something excessive. Some places won't even insure you.

i need to talk to you ;)

[adam_92]

That's not true. lol. I sell insurance. You put the word Turbo, and then 18. You're looking at 3-4k. Something excessive. Some places won't even insure you.

thats not too bad tbh... in england mention your under 25 and your instantly looking around 2000 pounds+++

[hazrd]

thats not too bad tbh... in england mention your under 25 and your instantly looking around 2000 pounds+++

for a 1.0 litre charade....

[liam]

Im sorry but I wouldnt want to be paying out 4 grand just for the turbo factor. It'd be great to have it but at that cost its ridiculous.

For 20k ish Id probably go with something like a ss ute.

If you really dont mind paying out that four grand insurance then Id be considering a older Audi TT such as this one
http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=8055156&__Qpb=true&Cr=7&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_RankSort _Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201247%201282%201252%201246%204294967194% 204294966983%20413&silo=1011&PriceTo=413&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=25&__sid=123BA800EF75

My family have previously owned one, and Ive sneaked a drive myself :P (ours was a 08 1.8 Quattro) They are a fantastic car and punch like theres no tomorrow dont be fooled by the fact its only a 1.8 the TT was far better to drive than the SSV V8 we had at the same time

[J]

Im sorry but I wouldnt want to be paying out 4 grand just for the turbo factor.

I agree liam.

Yes, comprehensive insurance premium USUALLY goes sky high for a turbo (petrol?).
Yes, comprehensive insurance premium USUALLY goes sky high for male driver.

However, let me say this again: there is at least one surprising exception. When I checked 2 years ago, comprehensive insurance premium for me (27-year-old back then, and male of course) with the NRMA, a Ford Focus ST170 costs MORE than an Astra G Turbo hatch. A Honda Accord Euro costs MORE than an Astra G Turbo hatch. Any Audi and BMW (yes, even the slowest non-turbo ones) costs at least TWICE as much as an Astra G Turbo hatch.

Put it this way: while I'd expect the Astra G Turbo hatch to be much more expensive to insure at adam_92's age, to think it'd end up costing even more than a (even only on mild boost) turbo Audi...

adam_92: Look, at the end of the day, we can only either tell you what's general, or what's specific in our experience. But what applies to you specifically can be VERY different. Can I ask if you have actually done those online comprehensive insurance estimates? Just vary the details of the car you are insuring, and keep all the other details the same. It's the only way for you to find out for sure.

[poita]

i was deciding between a celica and the calibra before i bought it.

the celica was almost double for me to insure, both '95 models, na, 4 cyl.

[glider]

That's not true. lol. I sell insurance. You put the word Turbo, and then 18. You're looking at 3-4k. Something excessive. Some places won't even insure you.

heres some customer feedback for you, how about you folks take occupation into consideration? I'm 21 but I drive a truck 6 days a week, done 28,000 km since september last year yet I'm as high a risk as a uni student who cant even afford petrol (not slagging any students here off) and have to pay as much of a premium

[hilary_1987]

thats not too bad tbh... in england mention your under 25 and your instantly looking around 2000 pounds+++


Or register and insure it in your parents name add you as an occasional driver, lot cheaper than $3-4k

But I'm agreeing with everyone on the house, use the equity in your home after a couple of years to borrow the money then you'll have a house and a car :D

[JohnBu]

My family have previously owned one, and Ive sneaked a drive myself :P (ours was a 08 1.8 Quattro) They are a fantastic car and punch like theres no tomorrow dont be fooled by the fact its only a 1.8 the TT was far better to drive than the SSV V8 we had at the same time

You sure it was an 08 1.8 Quattro?

The last 1.8 Quattro was in like 2006 in the older shape..

[chrissn89]

That's not true. lol. I sell insurance. You put the word Turbo, and then 18. You're looking at 3-4k. Something excessive. Some places won't even insure you.

I brought my SRi-Turbo when i was 18yo, my car is fully insured with all mods declared. Its insured with AAMI and i pay $1200/a. And yes, the car and insurance is in my name fully and not my parents. The did a one day defensive driving course paid by AAMI in my astra which lowered the premium by 10%/a for 5years or until im on a Rating 1. On top of that i have also done an independent defensive driver training course.

[liam]

Whoops sorry mate, your right it was the last of the old shape. The new body came out the season after we bought ours. I was thinking about dads A4 we bought in 08 sorry!

But once again, if you want turbo you cant beat the TT

[gmonkey]

id pass on the old shape TT, they look pretty horrible now.. id rather a polo/golf or s3/a4 all have same engine in them (sure there not convertible but look much nicer)

i think now days premiums on jap imports (silvias and skylines and supras) are pretty equal to that level of money in a euro car..

[TURBOGRINS]

Get a house and start paying that off first, once you are settled in there then you can look at getting a short term personal loan for the car at a lower interest rate, once you have a decent credit rating.
Don't borrow money against your house to buy a car - cars ALWAYS depreciate in value quickly, and why would you want to buy a car and pay for it at 5% for the next 20 years - fail?
Geta a smaller loan and pay it off in a shorter timeframe as this will be more affordable longer term.
or just go splurge on a VXR - (in Arden Blue if you can find one) or even track down a Nurb special edition... mmmmm Nurb!
maybe save the responsible spending till you get older and better paid?

[hilary_1987]

....... maybe save the responsible spending till you get older and better paid?

And a manual licence :lol: