VE MkII Commodore

[poita]

Most of the info has already been posted up, but heres the article and info in full

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http://www.carsguide.com.au/site/news-and-reviews/story/holden_cuts_commodore_consumption/?referrer=email



Holden has unveiled the VE MkII Commodore.

And it signals that Holden and Ford's new battle ground will be at the bowser.

GM-Holden yesterday fired a salvo across Ford's bows by launching what it describes as the most fuel-efficient Australian-built six cylinder car available.

It has unveiled two new hi-tech six-cylinder engines for the Commodore range just a week after Ford said it would build a four-cylinder Falcon.

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The new direct-injection 3.0-litre and 3.6-litre V6 engines will hit showrooms next month in the face-lifted Commodore and Statesman range. Not only is Australia's best-selling family sedan now cheaper to run, it emits less harmful greenhouse gases, Reuss said.

"We've been listening to what the customer wants," he said. "We've invested in changing what matters most to motorists, increasing fuel efficiency, improving refinement and developing performance."

The new petrol engines will be joined by a more economical LPG Commodore engine. Reuss said the new 3.0-litre Commodore was so efficient, families could drive from Melbourne to Sydney, a distance of 870km, on one tank of fuel.

"We know because we've done it," Reuss said. "The car we drove actually got 7.5l/100km in actual real-world driving, that's right in there with our four cylinder entries in the smaller car market."

Owners will also be able to save $325 in annual fuel costs too, he said.

Reuss said the Commodore's direct-injection technology was a big step forward for the local car industry and Australian manufacturing and was applauded by the Industry Minister, Senator Kim Carr.

"We are defining our own future, creating our own luck," Reuss said. "It places a more refined Commodore amongst four cylinder competitors while delivering the space and flexibility which Australian car buyers clearly want."

Both V6s adopt what Holden calls spark ignition direct injection, to deliver up to 13 per cent better economy and up to 14 per cent lower CO2 emissions, combined with a new six-speed automatic transmission.

The new Omega 3.0-litre gets 9.3 litres/100km, more than 13 per cent better than the existing model's 10.7 litres/100km. This engine also produces 600kg less CO2 emissions than the existing engine. Apart from lower fuel consumption, power is up.

The 3.0-litre develops 190kW, up from 175kW of the previous engine, while the 3.6-litre develops 210kW, up from 195kW.

Holden's popular dual-fuel LPG range will retain the 3.6-litre AlloyTec V6 but it has been reworked for better economy and lower CO2 emissions.

Apart from powering local Commodores, GM-Holden plans to export the engines to several other GM plants globally, including Mexico where it is expected to go into a new Cadillac off-roader.

New Holden Global V6 direct-injection engines
3.0 and 3.6-litre double overhead cam alloy V6.
Uses 91RON ULP, Euro IV+ emissions rating
Power:
3.0 - 190kW @ 6700rpm
3.6 - 210kW @ 6400rpm
Torque:
3.0 - 290Nm @ 2900rpm
3.6 - 350Nm @ 2900rpm
Fuel economy (l/100km)/emissions:
9.3/221g/km - 10.3/245g/km.
Between 9 and 13 per cent fuel consumption improvement, 9-14 per cent emissions improvement.

Superceded V6
3.6-litre double overhead cam, variable inlet camshaft, 24-valve alloy V6 (High Feature in top-spec models).
Power:
175kW @ 6500rpm
HF 195kW @ 6500rpm
Torque:
325Nm @ 2400rpm
HF 340Nm @ 2600rpm (ECE, Nm)
Fuel economy (l/100km)/emissions:
10.6/252g/km -11.6/274g/km


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[USC]

They should have supercharged that thing:p

[gmonkey]

Yawn... :p

[DirtyHarry]

id be interested to see how this new 3L pulls this heavy beast up a hill compared to the previous engine.

[Vectracious]

id be interested to see how this new 3l pulls this heavy beast up a hill compared to the previous engine.


+1

[Wraith]

Lots of changes there but external sheet metal remains the same...kind of what I expected.

I wonder if full or part time LPG and/or Diesel powerplants are also in the pipeline...

[CNBLU]

290nm is not enough to pull this boat around town

[GreyRex]

Yawn... :p


+1

Other than a manual SS-V Ute, I could not care about this car

[Wraith]

290nm is not enough to pull this boat around town

It would make it much more licence friendly though :)

[rjastra]

290nm is not enough to pull this boat around town


It's backup up with a 6 speed auto with a wider spread of ratios than the old 4 speed/3.6L edition.

290Nm is plenty:
Omega 1670kg (after weightloss of new engine)
Accord Euro 1605kg and 230Nm at 4200rpm
Mazda 6 1470kg and 225 Nm at 4000 rpm

The Omega has a better weight to Nm ratio than both these cars and no one complains about these vehicles being slow.

[Wraith]

It's backup up with a 6 speed auto with a wider spread of ratios than the old 4 speed/3.6L edition.

290Nm is plenty:
Omega 1670kg (after weightloss of new engine)
Accord Euro 1605kg and 230Nm at 4200rpm
Mazda 6 1470kg and 225 Nm at 4000 rpm

The Omega has a better weight to Nm ratio than both these cars and no one complains about these vehicles being slow.

Yep, that's good honest sense there but you forget rj - 'almost' everyone here is a Commodore hater, in fact from all the crap in most threads, it comes in a close 2nd to hating anything that's non-Euro :rolleyes:

[Shay]

195kw from a stock 3L is pretty dam good (for gm)
remember in 2000 the VT SS only made 220kw @ 5000rpm, from a 5.7L

this engine, from specs alone has sold me, so much more efficient both fuel and power.

[Wraith]

195kw from a stock 3L is pretty dam good (for gm)
remember in 2000 the VT SS only made 220kw @ 5000rpm, from a 5.7L

this engine, from specs alone has sold me, so much more efficient both fuel and power.

It's way better than the old 3.0ltr of the VL and more than competitive to other modern 3.0ltr IL6 and V6 engines as well...

Yes, the Commodore weighs more than some other modern vehicles with 3.0ltr 6 cylinder powerplants, but I'm sure with the combination of good gearing and good engine technology and ecu management, it'll be just fine...:)

[Hackstra]

Why all commodore haters? If you hate commodore just coz of the VL...shame ahah

[Shay]

VL is cool...
such a good shape, and the jap engine is so tuneable/turbable.
i agree that half the people that drive them are borderline retarded,, but thats not the cars fault

[boorny88]

well ford il6 190 to 200kw is a 4 litre and this is a 3 ltr and more power and effeincy they gotta do something right for once lets hope it goes well.

[boorny88]

you got a good point there shay most are borderline retarded but some r just plain stupid in there actions and its not the cars fault either

[Hackstra]

Exactly dont hate the car hate the driver and their crazy ideas!

[mania]

I am of the suspicion that Holden overrate their Commodore engines though, either that or they have some ridiculously inefficient drivetrains. Just from the stock dynos I've seen, you normally need to add around 30% to get back to supposed flywheel power. Kind of surprised their drivetrains don't melt losing all that to heat.. :rolleyes:

[DirtyHarry]

I am of the suspicion that Holden overrate their Commodore engines though, either that or they have some ridiculously inefficient drivetrains. Just from the stock dynos I've seen, you normally need to add around 30% to get back to supposed flywheel power. Kind of surprised their drivetrains don't melt losing all that to heat.. :rolleyes:

actually ive been told the same thing about ford and how they rate their engine power etc etc

[sooty]

I am of the suspicion that Holden overrate their Commodore engines though, either that or they have some ridiculously inefficient drivetrains. Just from the stock dynos I've seen, you normally need to add around 30% to get back to supposed flywheel power. Kind of surprised their drivetrains don't melt losing all that to heat.. :rolleyes:
Just using the oz garage vid as reference, an SS sportwagon got 225rwkw from what holden says is 270kw atf. That's about right.

[mania]

The LS2s aren't as bad as the V6s (find me a 190kW SV6 that gets above 147kW..) and older V8s... it's possible the commie rwd have huge static losses I guess. But that is still something in favour of the fwd mazda 6s and accords mentioned earlier.

[Vectracious]

could the drivetrain loss be more due to the crappy 4L60/65 tranny's they used in the Commodore - that gearbox was pretty agricultural..

[MatsHolden]

The 3.6L DI is what interests me at 210kw and 350Nm. That's got potential.

[xplosv57]

We did a test at trade school a year or 2 back, dynoed a couple of new holden and ford performance cars, nearly every single holden made more power than quoted and nearly every ford made less power than quoted....

VE II, looks the bloody same, the engine's are a good thing (stock V6 same power as VT HSV V8) but the car in general still looks outdated and boring!!!

More interested in seeing what HSV does........

[MatsHolden]

More interested in seeing what HSV does........

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle.jpg

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http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_tourer_pavle.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/clubsport1.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/senator2.jpg

[Vectracious]

I've read these pics are ONE of the designs they were looking at but that it was not the one they went for.

Whether that includes the bonnet scoops or not I'm not sure, I hope they dont - or if they do, there better be a blower underneath!!! :D



http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle_2.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_tourer_pavle.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/clubsport1.jpg

http://www.pavle.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/senator2.jpg

[MatsHolden]

I've read these pics are ONE of the designs they were looking at but that it was not the one they went for.

Whether that includes the bonnet scoops or not I'm not sure, I hope they dont - or if they do, there better be a blower underneath!!! :D

Yeah I believe they are variations (notice the difference between the front bars on the silver sedan to the red wagon) to get a bit of hype up before they release it. Possibly not even done by HSV too. However the rear bar on the silver sedan looks like it may well be in the ball park as the photo of the car taken in the street has a very similar rear bar.

Also looks like the LED daytime running lights are a goer too. With the sedan with the car bra, you can see them coming through...

[GreyRex]

Those new pics with the camouflage on actually match the undisguised pics!!

Oh no lol

Meh... :p

[DirtyHarry]

bah ugly regardless.

[JohnBu]

I'm not a hater of the Commodore, but couldn't care less.

If i had a family, I may consider the V8.. otherwise it has nothing for me.

I hope they improved the plastics used inside and general build/paint quality.. they are terrible in the series 1.

[Wraith]

The 3.6L DI is what interests me at 210kw and 350Nm. That's got potential.

Agree...

That torque figure above already sounds way too low to begin with - what's going on there :rollyeys1: or is that a missprint ???

4 pot TDi's around the 2.2ltr displacements in Mazdas, BMW's etc are cranking out around 400nm...

[Vectracious]

That torque figure above already sounds way too low to begin with - what's going on there :rollyeys1: or is that a missprint ???


the 3.6 DI V6 in the R36's make the same torque output.

[xplosv57]

torque sounds about right, i think you confused DI for being diesel injection but its actually direct injection, but petrol.

[rjastra]

It's the 3.6L SIDI

Spark Ignition Direct Injection :)

[MatsHolden]

torque sounds about right, i think you confused DI for being diesel injection but its actually direct injection, but petrol.

Ah yep I should've put Direct Injection instead of just DI.

Sorry Ange. :cool:

[Wraith]

torque sounds about right, i think you confused DI for being diesel injection but its actually direct injection, but petrol.

Ah that's what it was LOL yes I was thinking turbo diesel thanks Steve... doh :D

[Wraith]

Ah yep I should've put Direct Injection instead of just DI.

Sorry Ange. :cool:

That's alright Mat - my fault not picking that one up :o

[Apex]

The new V6 looks good, I can’t say I ever give the VE a second thought, unless its painted white and has Red and Blue lights on top.

That new HSV looks crap, as have most of them since the VT IMO, the VE isn’t a bad looking car, they are distracting a good looking car with some tacky add-on’s. Can’t believe they are putting those LED’s on the front, do they actually think that it’s a European car? HSV are the new Japanese in terms of copying the Europeans.

Go the mighty VL 3.0, have ashamed some might quick cars with a VL 3.0, crappy Holden V8’s included

[DirtyHarry]

yeah too me the hsv is a really ugly car, its just all over the place.
from the over sized side vents which probably dont server a purpose, to the really ugly unpropotional rear lights.
the ss looks better than the hsv.

[Wraith]

yeah too me the hsv is a really ugly car, its just all over the place.
from the over sized side vents which probably dont server a purpose, to the really ugly unpropotional rear lights.
the ss looks better than the hsv.

Agree, IMHO the Calais look the best as they have a much nicer more rounded front end, without all the awkward looking square/angular shapes of the regular front end, neater fog lights and neater rear spoiler, if I had to get a VE or this newer variant that's the one I'd choose...

[Apex]

Yes yes, im glad im not alone, Id have a dark grey Calais V with 20” wheels, some tints and a slight lowering, would look better than any HSV. Shame they dont do one in manual.

I really can’t see how they sell so many HSV’s, I see more Clubsports around Auckland than SS and Calais, it must be the badge and image.

[DirtyHarry]

ohh yeah forgot mention that too...the calais would have to be the best out of the lot.
love the rear lights on that car. suit it very well.

[rjastra]

You mean the Calais V International edition

http://us.tnpv.net/2007/GMC200710/GMC2007101062919_PV.jpg

[DirtyHarry]

yeah thats the one.

[MatsHolden]

Main parts from HSV's latest teaser video...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/E2_1.jpg
Looks like that image on the previous page (silver sedan) is pretty close in regards to the rear bumper treatment...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/E2_2.jpg
Interesting that they'll be offering performance enhancements...

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/E2_3.jpg

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/E2_4.jpg
Oh and yep, looks like the LED's will be a feature on the front of the E2 as well...

[Wraith]

Hmmm, interesting looks like LED DRL's and adaptive or cornering headlights are going to be fitted on everything soon...

Wonder how long it'll take for LED headlights to become common place and replace Xenon HIDS and standard halogens ??

Toyota is already using them on the Prius MK3, Audi on the R8 V10 and offers it as a $10,000 option on other models WTF :eek: