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poita
27th July 2009, 10:52 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8168807.stm


Ferrari driver Felipe Massa will be kept under sedation for 48 hours after he suffered a fractured skull during Hungarian Grand Prix qualifying.

The Brazilian hit a tyre wall after a spring from Rubens Barrichello's car flew up and hit his helmet.

Massa was woken on Sunday for a brain scan that produced reassuring results.

"It brought the result that we had expected concerning an injury of this type," said doctor in chief Peter Bazso at Budapest's AEK military hospital.

Massa's father, mother and pregnant wife have flown in to Hungary from Brazil, and the doctor added that the driver remained in intensive care and in an "acute phase" of treatment.


Massa's engineer reflects on crash (UK only)
Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali told BBC Radio 5 Live: "The situation is stable and positive but we need to stay calm and give the right time for his body to respond to the situation."

Massa's race engineer Rob Smedley told BBC Sport: "There is hope now which at one point (on Saturday) there wasn't. His injuries seem to be not as bad as we first thought.

"I don't even want to think about F1 at the moment - Felipe is a mate, he is like a little brother to me. I just want to think about him getting better and being back with his family.

"He is still in intensive care and we are all just waiting for news hour by hour. We don't know how long he will be kept in there - it could be days, it could be weeks."

An earlier Ferrari statement said: "After undergoing an operation yesterday afternoon, Felipe Massa's condition remains stable and there were no further complications through the night."

A statement from the hospital on Saturday said: "At the time he was admitted to hospital his condition was stable and he was breathing and blood circulation was normal.

"During the course of his examination they established that he suffered serious, life-threatening injuries including loss of consciousness and a fracture of the forehead on the left side and a fracture on the base of the skull.

"After the operation he is being cared for in intensive care and now he is in stable, satisfactory condition."

I honestly don't believe in coincidences in life. Things happen for a reason and I think this is the second message

Rubens Barrichello
Barrichello said on his Twitter feed that he had visited his compatriot Massa in hospital and the surgery "went very well".

The incident comes days after Formula Two driver Henry Surtees, 18, was killed in what was described as a "freak" accident during a race at Brands Hatch.

The son of motorsport legend John Surtees was struck by a wheel which flew off a competitor's car.

After being struck on the head, Massa's feet are believed to have come to rest on both the throttle and brake and his car ploughed head on into a tyre wall at around 125mph.

The 28-year-old was swiftly attended to by trackside medics before being taken to the circuit's medical centre, after which he was airlifted to hospital.

Barrichello later led the calls for more stringent safety measures to be looked into. Referring to Surtees, the veteran Brazilian refused to believe the two incidents were coincidental.

"I honestly don't believe in coincidences in life," he said. "Things happen for a reason and I think this is the second message.


Something broke on my car - Barrichello
"Imola [where Ayrton Senna died in 1994] was a message and the cars were improved. Unfortunately, we lost a boy [Surtees], which is tremendously sad.

"It is not a coincidence something happened right now. In the GPDA (Grand Prix Drivers' Association) we talked quite a lot about it yesterday - and something needs to be done. Absolutely.

"But I don't know what. We need to sit down and have a look at it. I think the cars are a hell of a lot safer, really a lot safer, but there is no coincidence on this and something needs to be looked at."

Lewis Hamilton described the crash as "very scary" and said it must be looked into, while Jenson Button said it proved there "is still more we need to do on safety".

Button and Barrichello's team boss Ross Brawn said the team were "naturally concerned" about Massa's condition.

"We had a problem with the back of the car and we are still investigating," he added.

606: MASSA TRIBUTES
Thank goodness Massa, having made it through the night, looks like he his winning

The Legend that is PhilSlocombe
"We haven't had the piece back from [motorsport governing body] the FIA yet so once we get it back we can understand what occurred.

"It's the first time we've really had a problem with the car as it has been so reliable."

McLaren team boss Martin Whitmarsh added: "What happened today was a shock.

"We've got to make sure we do everything we can to make F1 as safe as it can be.

"But a spring coming off and being in a collision four seconds later is an incredible circumstance and coincidence.

"You have to remember that motor racing is dangerous and that racing drivers are incredibly brave. It's all too easy to become blase about that."

poita
27th July 2009, 10:53 AM
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Calibrated
27th July 2009, 10:56 AM
twice in 6 days. the gods arent liking motorsport at the moment

nuggz
27th July 2009, 11:02 AM
its such a freak accident

no 1 knew what was happening for ages.

gman
27th July 2009, 11:56 AM
I ws watching the qualifying and from the incar footage, you could see it wasn;t going to be good. The spring got him right in the top of the helmet and he was out cold...

I can;t believe it actually went through the helmet and didn;t glance off...Such a freak thing...I hope he's OK...

chrissn89
27th July 2009, 12:21 PM
OMG wow, very very very unlucky. I guess it could have been alot worse thou. Hopefully he has a full recovery and is out racing again in no time.

MatsHolden
27th July 2009, 12:28 PM
Yeah watching this on Saturday night was crazy. I'm thinking oh unlucky, some sort of failure with a stuck throttle and then when they went further back up the straight to see where the accident began, couldn't believe it. Amazing how that part was bouncing down the track that long after the Brawn car went through.

Neeko
27th July 2009, 12:34 PM
very unlucky :(

Wraith
27th July 2009, 12:40 PM
I ws watching the qualifying and from the incar footage, you could see it wasn;t going to be good. The spring got him right in the top of the helmet and he was out cold...

I can;t believe it actually went through the helmet and didn;t glance off...Such a freak thing...I hope he's OK...

Ayerton Senna was killed in an almost identical manner...remember that one...

Very unlucky.

gman
27th July 2009, 01:00 PM
I remember seeing that one too....Senna's was similar, but he was struck by the wheel off his own car after he crashed but yeah I know what you mean...

Barrichello went through 4 seconds ahead of Massa and he came through and he was hit by the debris...

Apparently the telemetry from Massa's car shows that at the moment of impact with the spring, his whole car slowed by 1G from the impact!!!! So imagine the impact force his helmet and head took!!!! He is lucky it was relatively straight on unlike Senna's which was a sideways impact and caused a basal skull fracture killing him...The impact witht the tyres afterwards was nothing unusual according to the telemetery.

One thing they are worried about is that Massa did try to brake (you can see the front wheels locking as he goes across the track) but still had his fool on the accelerator and didn;t take it off even though he was obviously trying to stop. They are hoping this isn't a sign of a serious brain injury (right foot controlled by left hemisphere where he was hit) and it was just that both feet slumped on both pedals....

But an 800gr spring doing 200+kph...he's very lucky to still be alive...Imagine if it hit the visor and not the actual helmet....

MatsHolden
27th July 2009, 01:19 PM
There's still so much conjecture as to what was the cause of Sennas death. Whether it was a wheel or suspension component penetrating his helmet. That was one year of very unsafe F1 cars! So many life threatening accidents.

ROCCO
27th July 2009, 01:22 PM
first thing I though of when I saw him slam into the wall and no movement was Oh now antoher Ayerton Senna crash....

gman
27th July 2009, 01:24 PM
Just saw a photo of Massa after he was pulled from the car....Seriously not good....

nuggz
27th July 2009, 01:27 PM
Just saw a photo of Massa after he was pulled from the car....Seriously not good....


anything to share?
im curious to see the damage to the helmet

gman
27th July 2009, 01:33 PM
Here it is...
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t262/aussiegman/cars/Massa.jpg

He looks so scared and just not in a good way...You can see where the spring hit the helmet too on the left side...I don;t think it penetrated like forst reports...maybe the helmet fractured though by the looks of it...

nuggz
27th July 2009, 01:36 PM
very much not a pretty site

apprently the spring cliped 2 sections of the car before the helmet

its very unfortunate, but it could have been so much worse

gmonkey
27th July 2009, 01:44 PM
I remember seeing that one too....Senna's was similar, but he was struck by the wheel off his own car after he crashed but yeah I know what you mean...




Lucky alonso on sunday night didnt get this fate either, that was shocking!! lucky no one was behind him for a while!

gman
27th July 2009, 01:48 PM
Lucky alonso on sunday night didnt get this fate either, that was shocking!! lucky no one was behind him for a while!

Absolutely!!! that wheel could have gone anywhere and it weighs substantially more than a 800gr spring!!!! Was certainly an eventful race in Hungary...

poita
27th July 2009, 02:15 PM
that photo is fukin eerie gman

i have seen that look in someones eyes before, and well lets just say it wasnt a good feeling

gman
27th July 2009, 02:19 PM
that photo is fukin eerie gman

i have seen that look in someones eyes before, and well lets just say it wasnt a good feeling

I know exactly what you mean...Its the haunting look of someone that understands whats happened enough to be afraid they aren't going to make it...

Jerram
27th July 2009, 05:35 PM
yeah I was watching that on Saturday night - you know it's not good when they don't move around afterwords (remembered Senna and also Ratzenberger's fatal crashes).

Hopefully this is the bad luck over for a while.

[OPCSRi]
27th July 2009, 05:42 PM
Seen the pictures in the Hearld Sun today and they too tell a picture on what happened to Massa.:yikes: I was watching it on saturday nite and you'd think nothing really happened as he went past the debry. Very lucky man. Always like Massa.

CORZZA
27th July 2009, 05:50 PM
I hope he has a speedy recovery!

ROCCO
27th July 2009, 05:55 PM
yeah get todays (27/07/2009) Herald sun...there is a close up of the above pic...you can see the damage to the helmet clearly...man his eyes are like WTF JUST HAPPENED

CORZZA
27th July 2009, 06:00 PM
If you look at the video he was hit by the spring and 100% he was knocked out. lookes like he tried to hit his brakes last min but I doubt he knew what was going on

gman
27th July 2009, 06:38 PM
I was speaking to some friends who've seen/been given details of the telemetry from his car...

As commented before, the spring weighed approx 800gr's and the car showed a deceleration force of over 1G when Massa was hit and he was doing 174MPH or 280KPH....

He was still on the throttle the right up until he hit the tyres but he definitely did hit the brakes. But they are not sure if it was that he slumped onto the pedals or he actually tried to slow the car...Sickening either way....

xplosv57
27th July 2009, 06:48 PM
Yeah cos when he hit the wall, the thing sat on the limiter for a bit!!

Scary, freakish accident, he is very lucky it didn't hit 2cm lower, it most likely would have killed him, if not given him blindness and some form of brain damage!!

CORZZA
27th July 2009, 09:43 PM
Yeah I reckon cos his brain went into trauma his body would have gone into some sort of spasm. I would guess like a mini stoke of sorts

SKM_87
27th July 2009, 10:52 PM
6weeks recovery they recon

Wraith
28th July 2009, 08:29 AM
There's still so much conjecture as to what was the cause of Sennas death. Whether it was a wheel or suspension component penetrating his helmet. That was one year of very unsafe F1 cars! So many life threatening accidents.

I always thought it was a suspension component (front wheel brace rod) penetrating his helmet that killed him, that's what most reports said...

Hence the scary similarity to what's happened now...

All good though as he's in recovery now.

ROCCO
28th July 2009, 09:04 AM
I herd this morning that his docters have advised him to consider retiring....bloody brawn GP...they gave me the shits at the start of the season...now this....its a conspiracy...they are just making sure they will the title

xplosv57
28th July 2009, 06:04 PM
Yeah cos Massa was doing so well in the championship that Brawn needed to sabotage him...........

On another note, my mate keeps rambling on and on that the one and only M Schumacher will be taking Massa's position for the remaining races, surely this can't be true??

gman
28th July 2009, 06:15 PM
On another note, my mate keeps rambling on and on that the one and only M Schumacher will be taking Massa's position for the remaining races, surely this can't be true??

Wish is was...Highly doubt it, but I have my fingers crossed...