FINALLY! Official Pic of the new ASTRA!

[Red AH SRI T]

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/9144/2194230433360.jpg
http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4728/2194240389225.jpg

Sketch of the wagon:
http://storage0.dms.mpinteractiv.ro/media/2/41/1823/4186671/2/2010-opel-astra-5.jpg?width=1600

Sketch of the new 3 door:
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/1614/2194280589411.jpg


OMG that 3 door looks H O T! Now lets hope this comes to Aus so I can replace my H!

[Taffy]

It looks good! Do you know if we are getting any of the new Opels?

I don't know what this new trend is with headlights - seems like every new car I see reminds me of a cross between Subaru Impreza and Hyundai i30 !

[entice]

I'll take one hatch, and one wagon...

Both with a TTiD engine, please....

[Calibrated]

5door front doesnt envoke much for me, but side profile and rear look good.

3dr looks sex!

[DWS 92]

Is it me, or does it look like a 5-door Scirocco? Still looks very nice though.

[hazrd]

Is it me, or does it look like a 5-door Scirocco? Still looks very nice though.

looks different, would need to see in the flesh to make a final decision tho

[DirtyHarry]

still looks too much like the i30

[hazrd]

id say a mazda 3?

[poita]

just looked through a heap of pics of those cars mentioned, they all look the same if you want to get into it, but nothing alike. confused yet :p

out of alll the ones mentioned the misses likes the new astra the best, im with her on that

[hazrd]

yeah same... i gave jen permission to buy one :p

[UnKnOwN]

wow that looks niceeeee

[Shay]

personally i liked the sharper lines of the H.

the 3 door pic looks awesome,
too bad when it comes out it wont look much alike,
the headlights and bonnet will be rounder
the whole car will be thinner and taller

[Jerram]

Yep I reckon the side profile is very i30+mazda3. Though it seems as though most Euros are going a little oriental these days.

[sooty]

Has the token astra ridiculously high front bar....just looks bad.
I definitely won't be upgrading to one of these...
I don't mind the wagon though...

[GreyRex]

That is pretty damn sexual

Can safely say it's better than artists sketches

I like it

[Neeko]

i reckon in a few years time headlights and taillights won't be found on the front and rear of the car anymore but hidden somewhere along the sides. What happend with having headlights on the front of the car? Now they just keep getting longer and stretched around the side of the car. Not sure i like that.

[DirtyHarry]

maybe its to give the illusion that the car is fast..where in actual fact its slower than a tax return.

[poita]

maybe its to give the illusion that the car is fast..where in actual fact its slower than k rudds stimulus money

;)

[hazrd]

thats what u get when your surname starts with T :p

[poita]

i should of changed my name to aadvark if i knew thats how they did it!

i was told it was being done in order of when ppl lodged there tax return

[BEK-46P]

It's not bad, but I'll have to see it in the flesh to make a final judgement. It definitely has potential, let's hope it's mod-friendly this time!

[SubZero]

i like to see 3 doors in BLACK colour :D
and i agree it looks like Mazda 3 and i didnt like the little window on the front doors

[9090GO]

I don't mind the look, quite nice in fact.

[HappySlapper82]

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/4728/2194240389225.jpg



Is that a re-badged Mazda cx-7? :p

[topgear]

Is that a re-badged Mazda cx-7? :p
With a slight hint of VW Golf...?

[maloo97]

I like!

[Ice]

That is pretty damn sexual

Can safely say it's better than artists sketches

I like it


haha thats a +1 for me too !

[Hoya]

looks cheap.
ill buy a golf gti for my next car

[Red AH SRI T]

LOL @ Hoya

How about you see the car in the flesh first?



These pics have put my mind at ease as the rear end is nowhere near as bulbous as those red artists impressions of a few weeks ago. It was close but this is so much better.

[tomtom]

Lets just wait for the performance models to come out and THEN we'll see.

[GreyRex]

Lets just wait for the performance models to come out and THEN we'll see.

Very true

Motoring journos in europe seem to have a distaste for Vauxhall/Opel products... so we'll see

[USC]

The lower grille on the 3 door looks like the big grin on the new mazda 3...YUk!!

[mania]

Loving the three door... wondering what's going to happen with the gm situation though.

[sooty]

some more pics...
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/newastra1-1.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c109/ABYSS69/newastra3.jpg

and....for those who might be interested, found this quote with the pics


Opel's upcoming 2010 Astra has been unofficially revealed thanks to German publication Auto Motor und Sport.
Exterior styling is heavily influenced by the Opel Insignia which gives the new Astra a far more premium and substantial appearance than the outgoing model. While the low hood and resulting odd frontal appearance will likely draw criticism, this design was required to meet Europe's pedestrian crash safety laws.
The base engine will be a 1.4-liter naturally aspirated petrol unit that produces 90 horsepower, emits less then 120 grams of CO2 per kilometer, and features stop/start technology. For drivers wanting more performance, a supercharged version of this engine will be available and it will crank out 180 horsepower. On the diesel side, we can expect a 1.7-liter turbocharged engine to offer 110 horsepower.
Although technical specifications are still rather sketchy, it appears that the Astra will grow 15cm in length, feature optional all-wheel drive, and adopt the Insignia's adaptive damping system. Among the other items included on the new Astra are an electric parking brake, adaptive lighting, and a park assistant system.
As with the current Astra, several different versions will be available. There isn't too much information about them, but it appears the Astra Sport Tourer will be at least 20 cm longer than the standard car (http://www.worldcarfans.com/9090409.001/2010-opel-astra-unofficially-revealed#) while the Astra GTC will likely adopt a six-cylinder engine.
More information should become available as the car inches closer to its official debut at the Frankfurt Motor Show in September, so stay tuned for more details.Optional all wheel drive huh....and a six cylinder r32 competitor?

[MitchSRi]

Wait what??

So the base engine is a 1.4L buzzbox, delivering much less power than already in the 1.8L's, but there are other versions which sound to be more powerful?

How does that work?

If the car keeps its relatively weighty body, 1.4L 90hp motor is going to be slower than a Daihatsu Mira with 200kgs of concrete in it's rear.

Supercharged version wil probably will off the SRi Turbo (despite being less powerful), leaving only the GTC as a decent performance Astra, and it'll kill off the VXR.

Having said all this I didn't think Australia was getting Opel Astra, instead creating a locally built Aussie Astra (derived from Daewoos spare parts bin) ?!?!?!! :confused:

[chrissn89]

Very interesting Ain, nice find. Im unsure what to think.....

[Shay]

overseas always get lower powered models than us.
take the veccy, in the uk they had a 1.6 and a 1.8, smallest we got was the 2.0 pretty sure this happened with the astras too.

but as is i dont think it will come out here, yet, isnt that what the cruze is there to replace?

[USC]

yeh, I think the cruze and the new Holden 4 cylinder torano or something is going to replace the astra....pity!! I cant see GM Holden importing more german cars given the current trend.

[Jerram]

If it was to come out here I'd think that Holden would keep the existing engines; i can't see it selling otherwise when you consider even the Corsa B had more power in some forms.

[DirtyHarry]

ha ha ha 1.4L engine as standard...hahahahhahaha

[sooty]

ha ha ha 1.4L engine as standard...hahahahhahaha

I'm almost certain that's what they have in the AH "life" models in the EU already....if not, i know they have a 1.6 twinport...

[USC]

VW is downsizing all their engines in the golf...and adding turbo charger and super charger to keep power at a reasonable level while improving fuel economy. Opel may be doing the same.

But in europe, small cars like astra`s etc usually have very small engines. 1.4 or 1.6, and 1.8 for the sport models.

[MatsHolden]

i reckon in a few years time headlights and taillights won't be found on the front and rear of the car anymore but hidden somewhere along the sides. What happend with having headlights on the front of the car? Now they just keep getting longer and stretched around the side of the car. Not sure i like that.

It's all as a result of pedestrian safety standards. Frontal area has to be increased in size and because of this small and medium cars like the corsa and astra can look out of proportion with large bonnets. The idea of wrapping the lights around the side and closer to the A-Pillar helps to give the impression the bonnet is shorter and giving the front end a more compact look.

[MatsHolden]

I think the info Diesel145 put up is a fair way off the mark. The 1.4L NA engine has been phased out so I would say GM's new Turbo 1.4L will be used as the base engine.
An Astra H has alrady been fitted with a 1.4L Turbo producing 140hp in 2007 as a powertrain technology study.

[sooty]

probably lol...just posting what was posted with the pictures

[rjastra]

They look like AUdi headlights... shall we call "photoshop" shinnanegens? :)

I thought the 1.4L was going to be TURBO not supercharged ;) That's the engine to be used in the US spec Cruze.

[Neeko]

It's all as a result of pedestrian safety standards. Frontal area has to be increased in size and because of this small and medium cars like the corsa and astra can look out of proportion with large bonnets. The idea of wrapping the lights around the side and closer to the A-Pillar helps to give the impression the bonnet is shorter and giving the front end a more compact look.

they've definitely achieved that

[btm]

interesting... will still be here sitting on the fence for a bit longer though

[Neeko]

interesting... will still be here sitting on the fence for a bit longer though

hope its not star pickets ur sitting on

[btm]

ha, nope. just a flat brick fence :D

[Wraith]

interesting... will still be here sitting on the fence for a bit longer though

+1

Much better pics of the 5 door, but will reserve final judgement until we see the final product in the metal :)

3 door sketch looks awesome, but that's all it is a sketch...we all know concept sketches never end up looking like that with the final vehicle, so that drgs. just a pipe dream at best !

[BEK-46P]

For those who haven't seen decent shots of the 3-door (although I suspect these are still renders), here they are:

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_528/car_photo_264360_25.jpg

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_528/car_photo_264357_25.jpg

I gotta say, if this thing is close to the final product, I'm definitely not trading-in my AH :D

The more I look at it, the more I see a Citroen in there. Plus I don't get why the taillights are so low on the back end -- makes it look like a special child or something.

In the plus column, I do like the gills in the front bar and the curve of the driver's door, which is suspiciously lacking on the passenger's one.

[Shay]

much better than the 5 door

but not better that the H

pending seein it in person,
which we might not get to do here in OZ

[9090GO]

much better than the 5 door

but not better that the H

pending seein it in person,
which we might not get to do here in OZ

Lets just hope it gets here :p

[Neeko]

looks sexy i reckon

[sooty]

That 3dr is just a photoshop (and a bad one) of the corsa VXR, been floating around for ages...;)

[MatsHolden]

For those who haven't seen decent shots of the 3-door (although I suspect these are still renders), here they are:

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_528/car_photo_264360_25.jpg

http://photos.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_528/car_photo_264357_25.jpg

I gotta say, if this thing is close to the final product, I'm definitely not trading-in my AH :D

The more I look at it, the more I see a Citroen in there. Plus I don't get why the taillights are so low on the back end -- makes it look like a special child or something.

In the plus column, I do like the gills in the front bar and the curve of the driver's door, which is suspiciously lacking on the passenger's one.

One of the worst photoshops I have ever seen. Let's just take the existing Astra H 3 door/coupe and mix in a bit of Corsa D VXR. Take no notice of that.

[Neeko]

to the untrained eye it is seriously hard to see thats not photoshoped

how can u guys tell? guess u cant believe everything u see

[MatsHolden]

to the untrained eye it is seriously hard to see thats not photoshoped

how can u guys tell? guess u cant believe everything u see

You can just tell by the proportions of some parts of the car as well as how light is or isn't reflecting correctly off certain parts.

[tim_]

if the 5 door looks like that, i'll buy it 100%.

[Shay]

to the untrained eye it is seriously hard to see thats not photoshoped

how can u guys tell? guess u cant believe everything u see

shadows in background are oposite to the car

[MatsHolden]

if the 5 door looks like that, i'll buy it 100%.

Look at post number one for what the actual 5 door looks like...

[tim_]

yeh i know, i think on autoblog this morning i read they thought it might have been a rendering

[sooty]

i think it may possibly still be a rendering, something doesn't look right for real photos(look at the numberplate on the first pic), but it's a much more accurate representation of the final product at least.

[poita]

http://www.instylecars.com/opel/2010-opel-astra-revealed


http://www.instylecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/2010-opel-astra.jpg


The World Wide Web has finally seen the first official images of the 2010 Opel Astra and they probably liked what they saw. However, all they can do for now is to look at the Astra’s photos pending until it is revealed during the next Frankfurt Auto Show. This early though it is already being compared to its competitors including the Renault Megane, the new Golf and the Peugeot 308. But what can the new Opel Astra offer?

For one, the 2010 Opel Astra will have a diesel engine version producing a horsepower of between 90 to 150. Auto enthusiasts can however expect a standard engine with 70 to 200 horsepower. The Astra is actually a 10th generation hatch from Opel which was inspired by the larger Insignia specifically when it comes to the Front Camera system which is a great safety feature as it can act as a lane departure warning system and can read incoming speed signs. Dimming your lights to the right intensity will not longer be a problem thanks the Astra’s adaptive front light which comes with up to nine different brightness settings.

The 2010 Opel Astra is a significant model for Gm as it will be eventually sold in North America and in Australia.

[Shay]

well there you go, thats good for everyone, and sticks it to that Kiwi

[BEK-46P]

http://www.instylecars.com/opel/2010-opel-astra-revealed


http://www.instylecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/2010-opel-astra.jpg

It's still ugly.

[MatsHolden]

yeh i know, i think on autoblog this morning i read they thought it might have been a rendering

Yeah they state it as being 'official renderings' which would mean a 3D computer model rendering from Opel, not Jonny Smith's photoshop of an idea of what it will look like. Definately look too good to be photoshop renderings. Alot of the time car companies use 3D renders rather than photos these days in promotional material. The one in Poita's post above looks more like a photoshop render.

I did an overlay of a previous spy photo over the top of one of the 'official images' leaked and everything lines up perfectly. The spy photo had the car on a very slight angle, but taking that into consideration it all lines up spot on which would suggest to me that it's not a 'fake' render.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/Overlay.jpg

[Wraith]

http://www.instylecars.com/opel/2010-opel-astra-revealed


http://www.instylecars.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/2010-opel-astra.jpg

Hmmm, the clearer the pics get, the more and more it looks like a Mazda :skep:

[hazrd]

viva :p

[MatsHolden]

Hmmm, the clearer the pics get, the more and more it looks like a Mazda :skep:

That one looks more like a photoshop to me.

[GreyRex]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/saturn-astra-future.html

I'm sure there are people who will say Mazda 3 (from the rear) blah blah blah...

I think it looks good

[sooty]

looks OK i guess....will have to see an SRi/SRi-T/VXR variant to really tell...

[btm]

not really a fan from those pics

[Wraith]

http://www.leftlanenews.com/saturn-astra-future.html

I'm sure there are people who will say Mazda 3 (from the rear) blah blah blah...

I think it looks good

Of course people are going to say it looks alot like a Mazda 3 blah blah blah, because it does LOL :lol:

I'm also seeing a bit of the new Impreza in that rear C pillar portion of it too...

However despite that, it's actually a good thing as it's good styling and it does look ok in those pics :)

Also looking forward to the coupe and sportier models... :)

[btm]

Also looking forward to the coupe and sportier models... :)

+1, i'm still not a fan on the 5 door AH

[HoldenAstra]

Video here
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200905/60801.html

It will be branded as Buick in China, LOL.

[BEK-46P]

Still waiting for official SRi-T/VXR images to make any decent judgement

[DirtyHarry]

hmm yeah i dont know...unless i see it in the flesh, then this shape doesnt put a tingle in my testies

[SIMid]

Video here
http://www.autohome.com.cn/news/200905/60801.html

It will be branded as Buick in China, LOL.

Nothing to break the mold.

But has some nice design details, like the way the taillights light up and the menacing headlight design. Great use of body surfaces in shape, but overall, doesnt stir my loins either. Bring on the 3 door.

[USC]

Hmmm, the clearer the pics get, the more and more it looks like a Mazda :skep:

It looks like a Nissan Tiida from the rear..as ugly as dog shit.

[btm]

It looks like a Nissan Tiida from the rear..as ugly as dog shit.
i said that months ago and got flammed for it! totally agree!

[gman]

A little more on teh Astra..

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19895

[GreyRex]

A little more on teh Astra..

http://www.pistonheads.com/news/default.asp?storyId=19895

It mentions the damn torsion beam being carried over

You can't be serious...

I thought IRS was on the cards

[gman]

It was but was dumped as it is more expensive to produce and reduces internal cabin/boot space too much.

[rjastra]

They have gone with the stupid MPV style front quarter lights.

If there is no rear IRS then I can't understand why holden would bother to import it. Might as well go with the Cruze derived and locally styled hatch.

[Hoya]

pics and video

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/13/officially-official-2010-opel-astra-revealed-ahead-of-frankfurt/

check out where the blinker on the front is.... YUK.

time for a r20 golf for me.

thanks opel/vaux/gm for ruining such a great car

[sooty]

New pics again.
http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/5/large/3648049.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/5/large/7854183.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/5/large/1932660.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/5/large/7377530.jpg

http://img.worldcarfans.com/2009/5/large/3153229.jpg
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[BEK-46P]

Ewwww.... someone get me a bucket.

[sooty]

Active website
http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/
http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/downloads/vxh_astra_tease_wp1440x900_v2.0_20090505.jpg

http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/downloads/vxh_astra_tease_wp1440x900_v1.0_20090505.jpg

http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/downloads/vxh_astra_tease_wp1440x900_v3.0_20090505.jpg

http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/downloads/vxh_astra_tease_wp1440x900_v4.0_20090505.jpg

[hazrd]

Active website
http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/
http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/downloads/vxh_astra_tease_wp1440x900_v2.0_20090505.jpg


errr... :eek:
are they irmy rims!!?

[sooty]

errr... :eek:
are they irmy rims!!?
Nah, pretty similar to the 17"s the n/a SRi got...

Oh yeah and from the site, for those who CBF visiting it


The all new vauxhall astra introduces some innovative technologies. So get ready to discover a new level of driving dynamics with flexride, the chassis control system that reacts to changing conditions and where the driving feel can be adapted to your mood. Select sport mode for a more dynamic responsive drive, or tour mode for a smoother, more relaxed setup. In addition, the latest adaptive forward lighting which features bi-xenon lighting that changes its intensity and reach to suit prevailing road conditions, improving night-driving vision

Not that we'll ever see the astra here, let alone the options.

[hazrd]

awwww ... how cool would that have been lol

[MatsHolden]

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f320/MatsHolden/2010HoldenAstra1a.jpg

[tomtom]

this car changes our lives in no way.

[delemonte]

this car changes our lives in no way.

sadly true it would seem..

[MatsHolden]

Looks fantastic. Some really nice detailing.

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_001-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_002-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_003-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_004-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_005-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_007-0618-950x650.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/2/0/2010_opel_astra_interior_010-0618-950x650.jpg

[Manda88]

mazda3 interior anyone???

[MatsHolden]

mazda3 interior anyone???

Umm... no. It's late, i'll put it down to you being tired. :p

Nothing alike...

http://loadinform.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/2009-mazda3-interior.jpg

[Manda88]

i think its the red dials and center console with way too many buttons on it..

[Manda88]

i like the leather seats they look comfy!! black leather only red looks crud.. and yeh way to many buttons on that center console looks crud aswell.. not a fan

[Neeko]

i love it, has style, flow and definitely not boring.
compare this dash to the latest lancer and you'll have this anyday believe me.

[Wraith]

Agree ^^^^ from these latest pics not bad, not bad, I likey, o/a it's a huge exterior and interior improvement over the current AH 5 door hatch IMHO :)

The 3 door hatch/VXR and twin top variants of this new model will be very good looking me thinks...love the headlight details...

Any word if this new Astra model will be available to us in Aust. ???

[GreyRex]

i love it, has style, flow and definitely not boring.
compare this dash to the latest lancer and you'll have this anyday believe me.

I agree

Looks pretty awesome

I'll be seeing it when I go to the Frankfurt Motor Show in September. Probably the only time I ever will!!

It seems they have gone from virtually no cupholders in the AH to 3 in the lower specs versions of the new one. The upper spec seem to have a sliding cover and the mechanical handbrake is replaced with an electronic one

Really like the contrasting white stitching on the seats and doors

[rjastra]

versus the Cruze interior
http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/c/h/chevrolet_cruze_interior_002-1001-950x650.jpg

[MatsHolden]

versus the Cruze interior
http://www.motorauthority.com/content/thumbs/c/h/chevrolet_cruze_interior_002-1001-950x650.jpg



This is the new uniform design language of GM interiors.

[xplosv57]

About time they got a screen in the Astra, something that made the AH look very dated was the interior and a missing multifunction colour screen!!

[GreyRex]

The coloured dash panels already look dated

The blue and the red are bringing back memories of early Commodores :(

Can someone put two pics up comparing the new Astra and Cruze dash?

[xplosv57]

MMM yeah, the Cruze dash from the tv ads looks quite good, but yeah the VE clusters look terrible hope Astra doesn't follow suit!!!

[poita]

i think it needs more buttons

[Shay]

i think it needs more buttons

yeah i didnt see a passenger mute or passenger eject button, obviously not finished yet

[USC]

About time they got a screen in the Astra, something that made the AH look very dated was the interior and a missing multifunction colour screen!!


The AH had a screen overseas...

[BEK-46P]

yeah i didnt see a passenger mute or passenger eject button, obviously not finished yet

lol!

[sooty]

Vauxhall Promo video
http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=20111

[KingOfAstras]

Love the interior very much. Has cup holders ;)

[9090GO]

I thought we are not getting the new Astra in Australia?

[poita]

we arent

[Wraith]

This is the new uniform design language of GM interiors.

The dash dial cluster design there is actually becomming common amongst all manufacturers lately...

The Cruze does seem to be a very good all round package for the price point...should do well with the absence of a new Astra...

[dieselhead]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/5540/hb4n9yr9pxgenr700xa.jpg
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/88/hbgmoxhzpxgenr700xa.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/2884/hbqu2szopxgenr700xa.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4371/hbq8uhilpxgenr700xa.jpg



http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/2431/hbvmbnpvpxgenr700xa.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/8189/9956810825591midpxgenr7.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7880/cockpit036249872b.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5764/hby3krkqpxgenr700xa.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1375/hb5nmll3pxgenrax480.jpg
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7024/hbdg14a5pxgenrax480.jpg

[entice]

too many buttons in the centre console..

otherwise, me likey!

[USC]

too many buttons in the centre console..

otherwise, me likey!


unlike the current astra where menu navigation is a nightmare...a lot of buttons could actually make it easier to use the controls.

Car looks nice..a bit like the new Golf VI.

[xplosv57]

Can see a bit of current STi in the front, but another very nice piece of kit coming out of Opel!!

[BEK-46P]

Interior shits all over the AH.

The new model is dog ugly but you gotta love that interior! Then again, the AH's interior wasn't exactly a milestone of design in automobile history.

[dieselhead]

Not to worry about the I being ugly, is not going to bump into you anywhere South of Manila anyway :)
I really like it, just imagine how the souped up OPC/VXR version would look like, inside and out!

[GreyRex]

Emerging like a phoenix from the ashes of General Motors, Vauxhall’s new Astra is here at last – and we’ve driven it! Auto Express was invited to get behind the wheel of a prototype of the newcomer on a secret, late-night test in Germany. Like the Insignia, it’s a car that Vauxhall is very proud of – but is it better than a Ford Focus or VW Golf?

Well, the exterior is certainly a real transformation. While the outgoing five-door Astra is far from ugly, it is uninspiring. Out go slabby panels and in comes an organic, curvaceous Insignia-inspired look that hides bulk, cheats the wind and looks terrific. The Insignia’s hockey-stick lamp style is used, but inverted, as is that car’s distinctive concave door pressing.

On the Astra this L-shaped pressing also moves from the front to the rear doors where it tricks the eye by visually reducing the length. New Astra is 18cm longer than its predecessor, with a 7cm longer wheelbase to accommodate new pedestrian protection structures.

It is also 1cm taller, a around 3cm wider, with a front track that is 6cm wider and a 7cm wider rear track. The boot has the same 375-litre capacity, but with no clutter from the rear dampers thanks to a wider track. The result is, we estimate, about 60kg heavier than the outgoing model.

Inside, the high quality General Motors Europe cabin is still present, but in a new curvy, multi-surfaced style that looks borrowed from a bigger car – in some cases that’s because it is. The Astra uses the Insignia’s steering wheel, gear lever and instrument binnacle to great effect.

The dashboard has been lowered and moved forward away from the driver, which improves the visibility and driving position as well as giving a feeling of spaciousness. The storage space has been heavily revised to make it more useful and the rear-seat accommodation is large enough for three large adults for a long journey.

Underneath the skin new Astra takes its MacPherson-strut front suspension straight from the Insignia and the rear torsion-beam suspension has a number of changes to improve ride and cabin noise – weak points of the outgoing model. Most notable of these is the inclusion of a Watt’s Linkage to the rear axle.

This 220-year-old design dates back to the earliest days of the steam engine, but has been used since to reduce the rear-steer effect of side loadings when cornering. Vauxhall engineers have updated the linkage to reduce the unwanted movement of the torsion beam and in the process have replaced the hard, noise-transmitting mountings with much softer hydraulic units.

And it works. The Astra is noticeably quieter and more compliant than before. The ride is much improved, and the handling, which was sharp on the old model is just as precise. Job done then? Well not quite. The steering is light and lacks the feedback of a Focus.

You can specify a £700 optional Flexride variable damping system which allows drivers to choose from ‘normal’, ‘tour’ and ‘sport’ settings. It offers lots of choice but isn’t really worth the money. As for the engine, it’s strong from low revs and can hit 0-60mph in less than eight seconds, with a top speed of 140mph. It all bodes well for the future.


Verdict
The new five-door Astra is a great-looking car, with an equally attractive cabin and room inside to spare. The uncomfortable ride of the old model appears to have been banished, although we need to drive the car in more representative conditions to be sure. The handling is as sharp as ever and quality levels are very impressive throughout. Is the Astra better than the Golf or Focus though? Well, on the evidence of this drive in a prototype, it’s certainly one of the best models in its class and shows a lot of promise. If it’s priced right, there’s no reason why this new model won’t be as popular as the excellent Insignia.

[btm]

better than the golf & focus...

[GreyRex]

better than the golf & focus...

Doubt it

GM/Opel with a class leading car... now that'd be nice

The good 'ol torsion beam soldiers on

[mania]

If the "MacPherson-strut front suspension straight from the Insignia" includes the torque steer reducing "HiPerStrut" - I really really hope someone figures out how to retrofit it to the Mk5s :)

[DirtyHarry]

didnt you watch top gear the other night..
the focus rs has some similar torque steer reducing thing....however....it still doesnt do shit.!!!!!
point being...buy a rear wheel drive :-P

[dieselhead]

Oh please, that wasn't that much torque steer. What, you usually drive with your hands in your pockets? If you grab that steering wheel like a man (the RS is not for wimps anyway) you don't have any torque steering issues.

Wanna experience torque steer, real torque steer? Have my Astra on a rainy day, turn sport mode on and see what happens at about 2,500 rpm when you boot it like a man :D

[sooty]

Oh please, that wasn't that much torque steer. What, you usually drive with your hands in your pockets? If you grab that steering wheel like a man (the RS is not for wimps anyway) you don't have any torque steering issues.

Wanna experience torque steer, real torque steer? Have my Astra on a rainy day, turn sport mode on and see what happens at about 2,500 rpm when you boot it like a man :D

Lol, gotta admit though, you'd expect more from it, not overtaking a 226?bhp renault megane until 120mph. You've well and truly lost your licence by then, and he won fair and square. (yes i know it's 200kg lighter, but still)
Not to mention it couldn't get away round the track....
Did happen to notice it likes getting on three wheels a lot too though :lol:

Sorry for the OT, but not like the astra is coming here anyway:p

[btm]

could HSV still maybe do a VXR version if there is one?

[dieselhead]

HSV won't do any car that Holden doesn't already sell, full stop. Let's hope they will do some nasty things to Cruze then. A 177 kW 2.0 turbo and some decent sports kit would be a nice start. Forget the I, it ain't coming over in any shape or form...

[mania]

didnt you watch top gear the other night..
the focus rs has some similar torque steer reducing thing....however....it still doesnt do shit.!!!!!

I missed it :(. The revised geometry is supposed to do a lot more then reduce torque steer though, something to do with cambers and leans and other suspension related things I don't understand :p. Wonder how much of the 2 odd second lead over the old model is accounted for by the knuckle, and how much the power. Did notice a full 3.7 second lead over the vxr..

[Wraith]

Still hoping it somehow makes it down under...

Instrument dial cluster is starting to look too much alike with most new cars now...

[Wraith]

too many buttons in the centre console..

otherwise, me likey!

I know alot of people have said the same, but I'm of the opposite opinion...

I love heaps of buttons, switches, screens etc. it makes the car look feature packed and full of activity at night when everything lights up :)

I've actually had the same comment made about the mods on the centre console of my vert, ie. too many buttons as one member put it LOL :lol:

So if this trend is the future, I say bring it on...you can NEVER have too much of anything, in this case interior gadgets/kit n lights - love it :smile2:

[poita]

not sure if this site has been posted up before

http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/?utm_source=TeaseEmailAugust&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=NewAstraCopyLink2%2B?RELID=165852731&ACTI_ID=17552&LIST_CODE=15

[USC]

not sure if this site has been posted up before

http://www.astra-and-action.co.uk/?utm_source=TeaseEmailAugust&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=NewAstraCopyLink2%2B?RELID=165852731&ACTI_ID=17552&LIST_CODE=15

I reckon the cruise looks better....HAHAHA

it looks okay..I reckon the AH looks better still.

[ChrisMaz]

Its k. Whilst Europe gets this good looking little hatch we'll be seeing more Daewoo shit.

[MatsHolden]

Its k. Whilst Europe gets this good looking little hatch we'll be seeing more Daewoo shit.

Yeah, Cruze is so shit. :rolleyes:

Maybe do a little bit of research and realise that Holden are building their own here from 2010...

[USC]

Yeah, Cruze is so shit. :rolleyes:

Maybe do a little bit of research and realise that Holden are building their own here from 2010...

its still daewoo shit mate. Its like saying Camry is australian (sorry, its made in australia but is japanese).

[MatsHolden]

its still daewoo shit mate. Its like saying Camry is australian (sorry, its made in australia but is japanese).

Actually no it's not mate.
You may as well say that the new Opel Astra is Daewoo shit as well. It's built on the same Delta II global platform.
Holden is building a NEW small car using the Delta II platform. Designed by Holden, engineered by Holden.

And to be honest, there isn't much wrong with the GMDAT sourced Cruze which is currently being sold here.

[kabel]

All the reviews for the Cruze seem positive bar the lack of power.

[USC]

Actually no it's not mate.
You may as well say that the new Opel Astra is Daewoo shit as well. It's built on the same Delta II global platform.
Holden is building a NEW small car using the Delta II platform. Designed by Holden, engineered by Holden.

And to be honest, there isn't much wrong with the GMDAT sourced Cruze which is currently being sold here.


To be honest mate, I dont really care...even if it was built by Holden here, it would be shit.

[MatsHolden]

To be honest mate, I dont really care...even if it was built by Holden here, it would be shit.

ok.

[Shay]

To be honest mate, I dont really care...even if it was built by Holden here, it would be shit.

ok. WHY POST THEN?

[PO15KA]

http://moto.onet.pl/1571839,1,nowa-astra-juz-po-tuningu,artykul.html?node=24


Irmscher...

[sooty]

http://moto.onet.pl/1571839,1,nowa-astra-juz-po-tuningu,artykul.html?node=24


Irmscher...
not too bad.
Actually quite like the rear/side shot.

[poita]

hmmmmm looks good

[PO15KA]

:) we can only dream huh? :(

[BEK-46P]

Gotta admit, it is starting to grow on me.

Still think it looks a little too Mazda-ish though...

[xplosv57]

Looks great and also looks like you can actually 'see' out the back of them now, the AH is ridiculous!!

[USC]

smells like Hyundai i30...:D

but looks good. I wonder if this will be the last astra ever? given opel is having financial trouble.

[rjastra]

Latest sales figures in.... Looks like Holden did choose the right car. Cruze sold nearly 2000 last month the register 8th on the sales chart.

[Wraith]

Latest sales figures in.... Looks like Holden did choose the right car. Cruze sold nearly 2000 last month the register 8th on the sales chart.

Good result, but AFAIK they're still selling more Commodores than anything else in their range...:)

Cruze is a good buy for the money o/a IMHO if you want an o/a decent everyday car, very nice interior in the top spec model...

Friend of mine has recieved hers (CDX auto) and after the 1st few weeks only has 2 complaints, sluggish and high fuel burn, I did tell her to go for the oiler ;)

[GreyRex]

Latest sales figures in.... Looks like Holden did choose the right car. Cruze sold nearly 2000 last month the register 8th on the sales chart.

I wouldn't know so much about it being the 'right' car. It may have a lot to do with the monster marketing campaign they've had behind it. Meh... lol.

I'll be at the Frankfurt Motor Show in three weeks for the world wide release of the new Astra. Now that will be interesting... along with the entire show itself!! :D

[Greg K]

I'll be at the Frankfurt Motor Show in three weeks... :D

very jealous!!

[kabel]

I wouldn't know so much about it being the 'right' car. It may have a lot to do with the monster marketing campaign they've had behind it. Meh... lol.

I'll be at the Frankfurt Motor Show in three weeks for the world wide release of the new Astra. Now that will be interesting... along with the entire show itself!! :D
Tend to agree.
Don`t forget the AH has been around for a years now with no updated model in it`s lifecycle.
Massive marketing campaign for the Cruze although no hatch,no wagon,
no convertible and no 3 door/sports variants,be interesting to see how long that number 8 sales spot is held for. :rolleyes:

Frankfurt Motor Show........pics please ! :D

[mzsammi]

wow hehe lil bits looks mazdaish dont they hehe and a lil i30ish interesting :P

the cruze to me is very much like like a updated viva... they advertised the shit out of the car, lasted well for 6months because everyone wants the newest thing.... they were the worst cars ever built. i can say this because i owned on and never ever again. the clock starts flashing, the car rattles, its 5speed gearbox is crap the paint peeled off in places, the radios die. so the cruze is just a newer edition to the junk pile. sure they wacked alot of safety features ... i wonder why :) the car will probably self destruct after 100 thousand k's lol.



the ah isnt that bad to see out of but then again im 5'4. best lil car i have owned and i originally am a hsv v8 girl.

[USC]

Good result, but AFAIK they're still selling more Commodores than anything else in their range...:)

Cruze is a good buy for the money o/a IMHO if you want an o/a decent everyday car, very nice interior in the top spec model...

Friend of mine has recieved hers (CDX auto) and after the 1st few weeks only has 2 complaints, sluggish and high fuel burn, I did tell her to go for the oiler ;)

I wonder why people complain the cruze is sluggish when the Corolla has pretty much the same output from a 1.8L engine.

[gmonkey]

maybe cause the corrolla has a lighter plastic feel to it? rather than a tank made or daewoo cast iron? ;)

[USC]

Hahaha..lol...may be. The cruze may be heavier??


Just found the answer to my question..At 1367KG for a Manual CD Cruze (Not even CDX), this car is heavier than a Mazda 3 SP25 Luxury!!

[gmonkey]

how much weight for the diesel :p

[rjastra]

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/238591/vauxhall_astra_16_turbo.html

Rear suspension explained...

[MatsHolden]

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/238591/vauxhall_astra_16_turbo.html

Rear suspension explained...

Very interesting.

[mania]

Reading about Watt's linkages just makes me wonder why they took so long to include them on small hatchback's...

And reading that really does make me wish even more it was going to be offered here.. about the only new car (+ the Scirocoo) I like / consider trading in for.

[Wraith]

Hahaha..lol...may be. The cruze may be heavier??


Just found the answer to my question..At 1367KG for a Manual CD Cruze (Not even CDX), this car is heavier than a Mazda 3 SP25 Luxury!!

How much does the auto CDX weigh USC ?? the new MPS3 weighs in at 1456kg don't think the SP25 (ie. hatch) will be much different to that...

But yes your right about the Cruze, it's heavy, ie. the petrol CDX as I've mentioned before a female friend of mine who now has one did tell me it's very sluggish from take off and consumes more fuel than advertised, oiler is the one to get IMO...

[Wraith]

I wonder why people complain the cruze is sluggish when the Corolla has pretty much the same output from a 1.8L engine.

The Corolla is alot lighter isn't it ??

Also my friend dosn't or ever had a Corolla, so how could she compare between the 2 ??

[mania]

About 150kgs or so. Difference of a fat passenger and his luggish - be a bit noticeable.

I'm assuming both are measured the same - Holden include driver, luggage, and full tank of fuel in their figures. Not sure about toyota.

[Wraith]

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/238591/vauxhall_astra_16_turbo.html

Rear suspension explained...

And it's about bloody time !!!

New Astra looks very nice, the 3 door should be a stunner...

Overall interior is nice, but the centre console however is starting to look very Daewoo-ish IMO reminds me of the Captiva think it is :skep:

They should also break up the all red dash dial cluster display colour, would make it easier to read and look better too if they added some different contrast colours in there for needles etc.

[MatsHolden]

Overall interior is nice, but the centre console however is starting to look very Daewoo-ish IMO reminds me of the Captiva think it is :skep:




Just GM's global design language.

[Wraith]

About 150kgs or so. Difference of a fat passenger and his luggish - be a bit noticeable.

I'm assuming both are measured the same - Holden include driver, luggage, and full tank of fuel in their figures. Not sure about toyota.

Are you sure ??

I thought that numbers given in the specifications section is for vehicle only and unlaiden, never known those numbers to include full tank of petrol, driver and luggage, that dosn't make sense, how would they know how much the driver or the luggage weighs :confused:

I've got the Cruze brochure at home, I'll have a look tonight and see what weights are called up...

Also if the difference is 150kg, with a measly N/A 1.8 4 pot, that would make a significant difference to performance !

[Wraith]

Just GM's global design language.

Makes sense Mat.

Even the vents flanking the centre console look the same as those in the Captiva and other Daewoo models...

Still not a bad look, I just wouldn't want to be reminded of a Daewoo if I had one of these...

[imay]

Ange:
Mazda 3 Maxx Sport weighs 1295 kg hatch/1278 kg sedan; SP25 1342-1361 kg hatch/1338-1356 kg sedan. Different weights on the SP25 is for the fully loaded version with Bose and leather. So around 60+ kg more wouldn't be THAT noticeable in one of these.
I remember taking the Astra TwinTop out for a drive and was surprised the difference the extra weight made on that over my TS. Some 200+ kg extra in the TwinTop makes it a pretty slow ride - even compared to mine!

And I think you are right - the weights quoted by manufacturers are simply the weight of a "showroom" vehicle. No fuel, no driver, no luggage. That's why they get the unrealistic fuel economy figures that no "normal" driver could ever hope to achieve.

[mania]

And I think you are right - the weights quoted by manufacturers are simply the weight of a "showroom" vehicle. No fuel, no driver, no luggage. That's why they get the unrealistic fuel economy figures that no "normal" driver could ever hope to achieve.

I've heard a more cynical explanation of those figures. That it's that they run different maps - one nearly undriveable one for the test, and one for the public.

Anyway, have looked it up a bit, apparently there's three readings. DIN, 90% fuel, all fluids. EEC (european manufacturers according to regulations), which is DIN + 7kg luggage, + 68kg driver. And American (SAE) and Japanese (JIS) are different again, at no driver, 50% fuel. Source (http://www.autozine.org/html/0_spec.htm). I know the Astra is quoted the same here as in Europe, but I don't know if Vauxhall quote EEC or DIN either. And the Cruze isn't european, so I don't know where that fits in either.

I agree it doesn't make sense to fudge a driver and luggage in there - I mean most people know their own weight, they can easily add that to the car... why would they want to subtract the imaginary driver first before working it out? What does it achieve?

[USC]

How much does the auto CDX weigh USC ?? the new MPS3 weighs in at 1456kg don't think the SP25 (ie. hatch) will be much different to that...

But yes your right about the Cruze, it's heavy, ie. the petrol CDX as I've mentioned before a female friend of mine who now has one did tell me it's very sluggish from take off and consumes more fuel than advertised, oiler is the one to get IMO...

where are you getting the figures for the mazda? Kerb weight as quoted on the Australian Mazda website for a manual SP25 Sedan is 1,338 kg – 1,356 kg (Hatch: 1,342 kg – 1,361 kg)! The range is for non luxury vs luxury.

The manual 1.8 Cruze CDX is 1367KG!!

Go figure out which one is better.

The MPS has a crazy 190KW engine - 1456KG is nothing for it.:D

PS: Corolla is much lighter..I just checked their website.

[xplosv57]

hmm that has alot to do with the new Astra...

[USC]

hmm that has alot to do with the new Astra...

well..The whole of australia has nothing to do with the new astra...we are not getting it.

[rjastra]

where are you getting the figures for the mazda? Kerb weight as quoted on the Australian Mazda website for a manual SP25 Sedan is 1,338 kg – 1,356 kg (Hatch: 1,342 kg – 1,361 kg)! The range is for non luxury vs luxury.

The manual 1.8 Cruze CDX is 1367KG!!

Go figure out which one is better.



So, the Cruze isn't overly heavy for the class then?

[mania]

2kg more then an Astra, with the same engine. Clearly daewoo's are crap :rolleyes:

Wait: or not. 1365 is the turbo's weight.

[chrissn89]

Astra Mk6 0-60mph :: 8.5seconds for the 1.6ltr turbo. Hopefully the OPC/VXR versions have a little more stick, or the euro boys wont too that happy. But i guess the better handling makes up for it in the corners.

[USC]

So, the Cruze isn't overly heavy for the class then?

dude...2.5L engine for less weight vs to 1.8L in the cruze...and you are saying the cruze isnt overly heavy...I think you need sleep.

[USC]

Astra Mk6 0-60mph :: 8.5seconds for the 1.6ltr turbo. Hopefully the OPC/VXR versions have a little more stick, or the euro boys wont too that happy. But i guess the better handling makes up for it in the corners.

1.6 turbo is meant to replace the 1.8..... It already does a better job with 8.5 secs. 1.8 in the AH took about nearly 10 secs to get to 100km/h.

[chrissn89]

1.6 turbo is meant to replace the 1.8..... It already does a better job with 8.5 secs. 1.8 in the AH took about nearly 10 secs to get to 100km/h.
Oh okay i didnt realise that, so theres still going to be a 2.0ltr turbo.......

[rjastra]

dude...2.5L engine for less weight vs to 1.8L in the cruze...and you are saying the cruze isnt overly heavy...I think you need sleep.

I am talking absolutes... The SP25 lux is about the same spec as the Cruze CDX and weighs about the same even though the Cruze is a bigger car. Engine size is irrelevant ;)

[Wraith]

Ange:
Mazda 3 Maxx Sport weighs 1295 kg hatch/1278 kg sedan; SP25 1342-1361 kg hatch/1338-1356 kg sedan. Different weights on the SP25 is for the fully loaded version with Bose and leather. So around 60+ kg more wouldn't be THAT noticeable in one of these.
I remember taking the Astra TwinTop out for a drive and was surprised the difference the extra weight made on that over my TS. Some 200+ kg extra in the TwinTop makes it a pretty slow ride - even compared to mine!

And I think you are right - the weights quoted by manufacturers are simply the weight of a "showroom" vehicle. No fuel, no driver, no luggage. That's why they get the unrealistic fuel economy figures that no "normal" driver could ever hope to achieve.

Thanks Ian, looks like the MPS3 definitely has the extra body strengthening, thicker drive shafts and bigger/thicker sway bars Mazda talk about as it weighs alot more at 1456kg.

And yes as mentioned, an extra 150 or 200kg will make a noticeable difference on your average N/A 4 pot...

[rjastra]

1.6 turbo is meant to replace the 1.8..... It already does a better job with 8.5 secs. 1.8 in the AH took about nearly 10 secs to get to 100km/h.

I think you will find its (1.6T) to replace the old low blow 2L ecotec and is even available in the runout Astra in Germany. The 1.4 turbo (100kw/200nm) is the one that will replace the 1.8l NA


Aside from an entry-level 1.4-naturally aspirated engine and the Insignia-derived 1.6-liter Turbo with 180HP, the Astra's petrol range will also include GM's new 1.4-liter turbocharged unit. It will be offered with outputs ranging from 120 hp to 140 hp and torque values of 175 to 200 Nm. General Motors says that the 1.4 Turbo engine will deliver fuel savings of up to 8 percent compared to the naturally aspirated 1.6 and 1.8-liter engines that it will replace

[Wraith]

where are you getting the figures for the mazda? Kerb weight as quoted on the Australian Mazda website for a manual SP25 Sedan is 1,338 kg – 1,356 kg (Hatch: 1,342 kg – 1,361 kg)! The range is for non luxury vs luxury.

The manual 1.8 Cruze CDX is 1367KG!!

Go figure out which one is better.

The MPS has a crazy 190KW engine - 1456KG is nothing for it.:D

PS: Corolla is much lighter..I just checked their website.

I only quoted the weight figure for the MPS3 at 1456kg - that figure is from my MPS3 brochure and it's repeated in this months TGA magazines' article on the MPS3...

I didn't quote figures for the rest of the range, I've got the brochure at home of them too, but Ians' already noted those :)

And yes the MPS3 has little to worry about even at 1456kg as it's not so much the 190kw but the crazy 380nm torque it has from just over 2,500rpm that moves it along very nicely :D

The Corolla definitely has a better power/weight ratio than the Cruze, that I was already certain of :)

[Wraith]

So, the Cruze isn't overly heavy for the class then?

Seems that way rj, but it also seems underpowered by comparison as well...

I'd say you definitely need to get the manual in the CDX or just get the oiler, as previously noted, the auto CDX is a slug...

[Wraith]

Astra Mk6 0-60mph :: 8.5seconds for the 1.6ltr turbo. Hopefully the OPC/VXR versions have a little more stick, or the euro boys wont too that happy. But i guess the better handling makes up for it in the corners.

That's not too bad considering it's powered by the 1.6ltr engine...

With a 2.0ltr turbo it would be in the high or probably mid 7's, which again is not too bad and compares favourably with previous turbo Astra models :)

[mania]

I don't think they'll be too disappointed - the corsa vxr is the 1.6 turbo, 192hp, many tuned over 300hp although 250hp+ is more common.

[sooty]

There is so much up in the air about what motors will be used it's not funny..
Here's one source...http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/vauxhall-astra-engines-announced/242686
Even there the CDTTI doesn't make an appearance, nor the 2.0l turbos..

[mania]

I'd be surprised if the 2.0l turbos aren't being retired. Fuel economy is too far behind current gen for Europe - and they're bringing in even stricter emission controls. 2.0L is just too big, especially without direct injection..

[Wraith]

There is so much up in the air about what motors will be used it's not funny..
Here's one source...http://www.whatcar.com/car-news/vauxhall-astra-engines-announced/242686
Even there the CDTTI doesn't make an appearance, nor the 2.0l turbos..

That's true of most Euro vehicles these days and they all do it (ie. the different manufacturers) just so that they can compete on every level with one another...it certainly seems to be out of control, definitely too many engine types, reminds me of the old VB and VC series Commodores here which had too many engine choices...

Obvious for other Countries importing these vehicles, for good and obvious reasons, they'll only select a few of the available engine choices...

We're all wasting our time in this thread discussing the new Astra anyway - what's the point if it's never going to be imported into Australia :rollyeys1:

[sooty]

We're all wasting our time in this thread discussing the new Astra anyway - what's the point if it's never going to be imported into Australia :rollyeys1:

True, but i guess seeing as we're Opel enthusiasts, there's no harm in talking about it. Also interesting to see what gets changed on a new model, as it's obviously perceived as a weakness on the older model, so gives sorta hints as to what benefits there are to be had.:)

[Wraith]

I'd be surprised if the 2.0l turbos aren't being retired. Fuel economy is too far behind current gen for Europe - and they're bringing in even stricter emission controls. 2.0L is just too big, especially without direct injection..

It's all a seemingly slow build up to the replacement of fossil fuel internal combustion engines for general use and the eventual take over of hybrid and full electric powered vehicles in the future...it's just a matter of time, but you can see the many processes in place now to eventually go that way...

[Wraith]

True, but i guess seeing as we're Opel enthusiasts, there's no harm in talking about it. Also interesting to see what gets changed on a new model, as it's obviously perceived as a weakness on the older model, so gives sorta hints as to what benefits there are to be had.:)

I'll 2nd that - good points :thumbs:

Therefore let the thread and discussion topic continue :)

[GreyRex]

I can't upload the pics atm, but here's a link to the new Astra at the Frankfurt Motor Show

http://www.leftlanenews.com/cars/image_popup/newgallery2.php?postid=17886&gallerynum=0&defimage=http%3A%2F%2Fphotos.leftlanenews.com%2Fph otos%2Fimageresizeronfly%2FphpThumb.php%3Fsrc%3D%2 Fphotos%2Fcontent%2Fseptember2009%2Fme-fra-opel-astra-5dr-01.jpg

[Wraith]

^^^ It looks very very good in those pics, the 3 door variant will be a stunner for sure...

Damn shame we're not getting this variant here.

[USC]

Looks nice! Pity they arent coming here! I wonder what the VXR would look like!!

[sooty]

Ok so the motors in the 5dr are confirmed (on vauxhall's website)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.4i 16v VVT (87PS) (64kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.4i 16v VVT (100PS) (73.5kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.4i 16v VVT Turbo (140PS) (103kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.6i 16v VVT (115PS) (85kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.6i 16v Turbo (180PS) (132kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_on.gif1.7CDTi 16v (110PS) (81kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.7CDTi 16v (125PS) (92kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif2.0CDTi 16v (160PS) (118kw)

Most of the guys in the UK are turned off by price atm though, a nicely specced car with few additions is over $22k GBP. not cheap! but they'll come down in price pretty quickly.

And interestingly, this is not called the Astra I as expected, it's actually the Astra J

[Wraith]

Ok so the motors in the 5dr are confirmed (on vauxhall's website)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.4i 16v VVT (87PS) (64kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.4i 16v VVT (100PS) (73.5kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.4i 16v VVT Turbo (140PS) (103kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_unavailable.gif1.6i 16v VVT (115PS) (85kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.6i 16v Turbo (180PS) (132kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_on.gif1.7CDTi 16v (110PS) (81kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif1.7CDTi 16v (125PS) (92kw)

http://www.vauxhall.co.uk/vaux/components/configurator/radio_off.gif2.0CDTi 16v (160PS) (118kw)

Most of the guys in the UK are turned off by price atm though, a nicely specced car with few additions is over $22k GBP. not cheap! but they'll come down in price pretty quickly.

And interestingly, this is not called the Astra I as expected, it's actually the Astra J

Wow on the pricing - if they landed here that equates to at least 45-50k...wonder what the pricing will be on the VXR and vert models ???

Not surprised they've skipped the 'I' designation Ain, as it can be mistaken for the number one, same case for not using the letter O to not cause confusion with the number zero...

We actually do the same with our engineering documentation, letters I's and O's are not used on grids, revisions, issues etc. :)

[USC]

They are so expensive for a Vauxhall!!

[imay]

Interesting to note that in the middle of all these posts about the new Bug, Fezza, Masser, Bentley, Pug, etc., etc., etc., this topic is still attracting HEAPS of attention.

Probably because it's all us poor sods will EVER be able to afford to drive!

[Wraith]

Interesting to note that in the middle of all these posts about the new Bug, Fezza, Masser, Bentley, Pug, etc., etc., etc., this topic is still attracting HEAPS of attention.

Probably because it's all us poor sods will EVER be able to afford to drive!

I'd say it's simply because it's an Astra Ian - the Astra is the 'main man' if you like of this forum, so there'll always be discussion on it, regardless of other car types :)

Scary to think though that with no more Opel product coming our way (except maybe the Insignia) this forum will be mainly about has beens in time to come...

As for poor sods, with the price point on the new Astra range (if it were to have come here) it too would be out of reach for them LOL...

I think most peeps here being youngies basically just start off their driving careers with a S/H Astra and eventually move on...there is afterall so much better out there than what's on offer from Opel for the budding car enthusiast :)

[mania]

Most of the guys in the UK are turned off by price atm though, a nicely specced car with few additions is over $22k GBP. not cheap! but they'll come down in price pretty quickly.

And interestingly, this is not called the Astra I as expected, it's actually the Astra J

Must be quite a few additions! The base cars on vauxhall.co.uk have virtually the same price. How many of these additions are even available on the outgoing model?

[rjastra]

Must be quite a few additions! The base cars on vauxhall.co.uk have virtually the same price. How many of these additions are even available on the outgoing model?

Its the same argument used against the Golf -lol. They take the base model and apply all the options and say its toooooo expensive ;)

[Wraith]

Its the same argument used against the Golf -lol. They take the base model and apply all the options and say its toooooo expensive ;)

It is, comparatively speeking when compared to other vehicles in its class and with the same or similar trim levels...

And as noted in the other thread, the quality, reliability, performance and resale of the Golf is no better either, so yeah too expensive for what you get !!!

I'd rather get ripped and pay for an Audi if I'm going to go with a VAG group vehicle :)

[GreyRex]

It is, comparatively speeking when compared to other vehicles in its class and with the same or similar trim levels...

And as noted in the other thread, the quality, reliability, performance and resale of the Golf is no better either, so yeah too expensive for what you get !!!

I'd rather get ripped and pay for an Audi if I'm going to go with a VAG group vehicle :)

I wouldn't

I'd prefer not to get ripped in the first place

[Wraith]

I wouldn't

I'd prefer not to get ripped in the first place

True point...

But Audis and other luxo/prestige brands vehicles do tempt the resistance factor in all of us die hard car enthusiasts :)

[aussie_in_london]

http://www.opel.se/content_data/GME/019/SE/se/GBPSE/microsite/astrangprelaunch/


further engine varients will be released over a period of time.....

[mmahle]

http://www.opel.se/content_data/GME/019/SE/se/GBPSE/microsite/astrangprelaunch/


further engine varients will be released over a period of time.....

Cool site! I love the interactivity of being able to design your own car..

[DirtyHarry]

thats a pretty good site.
love it.

[MatsHolden]

Yeah awesome. Really good.
Love the renderings!

[PO15KA]

my first thought was "what the h e l l is George Michael doing at Opel??!" :P

[USC]

my first thought was "what the h e l l is George Michael doing at Opel??!" :P

gay guy for gay car :p

[DirtyHarry]

i like the tacy lighting around the gear stick :-P
all it needs now is some lighting in the foot area, and it will be all pimped out.

[PO15KA]

gay guy for gay car :p


:cornut:

[mmahle]

Are the front headlights LED? I don't know if they're just highly reflective or what. But every angel the car moved the cars, let's call them eyebrowls looked like they were lights or some kind.. pretty cool. Wasn't sure as it's just rendered.

[MatsHolden]

The 'eyebrows' are LED's.

[Nurb608]

Quick little write up from one of the guys that saw it at the motorshow.

http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=877369#post877369

[Wraith]

Quick little write up from one of the guys that saw it at the motorshow.

http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=877369#post877369

It certainly has turned out to be a really nice car !!!

But as we all know, we won't get it, I'm sure there's alot of us spewing about that...

So for those of us wanting an update in this class and not overly impressed by the Cruze we have no choice but to look elsewhere.

[mania]

I really like the headlights, still holding off to see the 3dr. Don't know if I could live with all those buttons in the center console though :p I realise they're an acquired taste and all.. Sounds the reviewer approves of the watt's linkage rear.

[mmahle]

I read a review here about a guy who went to the Frankfurt Motor show. Pretty interesting pictures. Nice photos in there too.

Link here: http://www.astraownersclub.com/vb/showthread.php?t=219972

I'm glad to see the temp gauge is back! But sad we won't see it here. :(

[Nurb608]

Quick little write up from one of the guys that saw it at the motorshow.

http://www.vxronline.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?p=877369#post877369


I read a review here about a guy who went to the Frankfurt Motor show. Pretty interesting pictures. Nice photos in there too.

Link here: http://www.astraownersclub.com/vb/showthread.php?t=219972

I'm glad to see the temp gauge is back! But sad we won't see it here. :(

Same bloke, different forum :D

[jlgu]

rear looks like old mazda 3, but the more i see it, more i like it

[mmahle]

I always think... if that's what the 5 door looks like, I wonder what the coupe will look like! :))

[Wraith]

I always think... if that's what the 5 door looks like, I wonder what the coupe will look like! :))

Same here...

If they maintain the silhouette styling carried over from the Calibra and as they've also done on the AH 3 door, then it'll be a very good looking hatch/coupe !!!

[imay]

It will be interesting to see just how much of the Astra Mk6 styling Holden carry over on to their Cruze hatch. You never know, maybe a couple of years down the track Holden will produce a home-grown Cruze Koup! Kia did it with the Cerato . . . why not Holden? It's bound to sell.

[mmahle]

I strangly actually like the Cenrato Koup! Even though if it is Korean...

[Wraith]

It will be interesting to see just how much of the Astra Mk6 styling Holden carry over on to their Cruze hatch. You never know, maybe a couple of years down the track Holden will produce a home-grown Cruze Koup! Kia did it with the Cerato . . . why not Holden? It's bound to sell.

Cruze will difinitely be built locally within 12 months, it's more an excercise of survival for GMH than anything else though...

At this stage there are no plans to create new variants, the only one I've heard of is a higher spec oiler variant to match the petrol CDX features list...

Would be interesting if they 'create' a coupe or more performance orientated variants and how they stack up against the competition...

[MatsHolden]

At this stage there are no plans to create new variants,



Yeah, Holden's own design is going to be a hatch variant. As to whether it's called a Cruze remains to be seen...

[rjastra]

road test...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/243262/vauxhall_astra_14t_exclusiv.html

Seems a bit ho-hum

[chrissn89]

no more cross-over pipe :) but not 4 power windows come on please.....

[Wraith]

Yeah, Holden's own design is going to be a hatch variant

Your right, that's now been confirmed... :)

[Wraith]

road test...

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/grouptests/243262/vauxhall_astra_14t_exclusiv.html

Seems a bit ho-hum

Looks great, but flat on performance...

The higher spec variants should be better :)

[mmahle]

I love the comment below the article lol, the flame.
he sounds pretty upset by the article.. lol

[SIMid]

Your right, that's now been confirmed... :)

While they are at it, they can re-do the front cause it's pig ugly.

[Wraith]

While they are at it, they can re-do the front cause it's pig ugly.

I kinda like it, but yeah could be better :)

But then I also like the new Mazda 3 front end :o

I reckon this new Cruze CDX oiler will be a top seller as it's going to be available in both manual and auto trans choices :)

[PO15KA]

more photos from a Polish road test.

http://moto.onet.pl/132930,galeria.html

a true "international" Opel, with the instrument clusters and display info in many European\International languages...

[USC]

The whole new astra is a bif of a disappointment to me. The exterior looks plain and boring! Nothing really attractive. The back of the astra(where the badge is) looks like a nissan tiida...yuuuck.

I actually prefer the new Cruze.

Lets wait for the VXR :)

[BEK-46P]

Still undecided on the exterior of the base models, I'll take another glance when it's got 2 less doors, a kit and 19" wheels.

MASSIVE improvement on the interior though.

[hazrd]

The whole new astra is a bif of a disappointment to me. The exterior looks plain and boring! Nothing really attractive. The back of the astra(where the badge is) looks like a nissan tiida...yuuuck.

I actually prefer the new Cruze.

Lets wait for the VXR :)

+1
im pretty much over the new astra, because i know its not coming here, so i gave up lol

[USC]

MASSIVE improvement on the interior though.

+1 - Interior has improved quite a lot. The cruze does not leave it far though...very similar dash.

[gmonkey]

Thread Revive!

http://www.carsuk.net/new-vauxhall-astra-roadster-preview/

[guy 27]

Thread Revive!

http://www.carsuk.net/new-vauxhall-astra-roadster-preview/

Nice. if it ends up looking anything like that i might look at importing one.

[BEK-46P]

That's hot!

[SIMid]

That's hot!

+1

Really like the profile how they rendered this concept.

http://www.carsuk.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/Vauxhall-Astra-Roadster.jpg

[BEK-46P]

Some rather exciting pics of what the future MAY bring.

http://tuninghost.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/opel-calibra-2010.jpg

http://tuninghost.ro/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/opel-calibra-2010-2.jpg

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/images/front_picture_library_UK/dir_668/car_photo_334474_25.jpg

[gmonkey]

im going to say this but i doubt anyone will agree with me.. i hate the front bumpers inside airdam thingos same on the insignia and now the 'calibra'.. other wise its pure hot!