Focus RS test

[rjastra]

Enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdAGKNogdAw

And does a STi or EVOX sounds as good as this thing? Nope :)

[sooty]

Sounds amazing, and sounds like it drives alright...still hideously ugly though :cool:

[MatsHolden]

Sounds amazing, and sounds like it drives alright...still hideously ugly though :cool:

Wouldn't say it's hideously ugly. lol But yeah the overall Focus shape isn't ground breaking.

[Shaun]

One of the best Hot Hatches on the Market of the new breed.. Pitty were not getting them

[Vectracious]

the sound isn't THAT amazing - although it is different because of the 5cyl.

[MatsHolden]

the sound isn't THAT amazing - although it is different because of the 5cyl.

Sounds like a Volvo... Oh wait... Of course it does! :p

[gman]

I love it and would buy one if they sold it in Oz or HK...

[Shaun]

I love it and would buy one if they sold it in Oz or HK...

+1.

NZ were romoured to be getting this car before Christmas. However Ford NZ is ceasing the import of the Mondeo XR5T so it could be off the cars now.

[dieselhead]

I want one. I really do. The Focus RS or the Alfa MiTo GTA would be my next car for sure. Problem is, neither is coming down under in a hurry... Common Ford Oz, you know YOU need it to boost Focus sales :)

[btm]

fuk yeah! i love that thing!

[dieselhead]

Based on the UK price of both the ST and RS, and the price of the XR5, I estimate that the RS would be sold here for about $49k.
What do you guys reckon?

[JohnBu]

I want one. I really do. The Focus RS or the Alfa MiTo GTA would be my next car for sure. Problem is, neither is coming down under in a hurry... Common Ford Oz, you know YOU need it to boost Focus sales :)

it would do nothing to boost Focus sales.

it may boost XR5 sales, but no one who has an interest in an RS would say 'can't afford an RS- i'm going to buy a base model focus instead'.

[btm]

Based on the UK price of both the ST and RS, and the price of the XR5, I estimate that the RS would be sold here for about $49k.
What do you guys reckon?

seems reasonably priced...

how much is the R32 these days?

[dieselhead]

The R32 is at $55k, probably because VW is allegedly a premium brand here down under ;) To be honest, I never understood why VW is seen as being any different to Holden and Ford since in Europe they are direct competitors.
I would have the RS any day though, since the R32 is probably 200kg heavier due to larger engine and AWD, has less power at 184 kW and guaranteed not as nimble on the twisty roads as the RS.

[dieselhead]

it would do nothing to boost Focus sales.

it may boost XR5 sales, but no one who has an interest in an RS would say 'can't afford an RS- i'm going to buy a base model focus instead'.

I beg to differ on this. Is like saying that if you don't have money for an EVO, STi, S3 or 135i, you won't buy a vanilla Lancer, Impreza, A3 or 120 and dream :D That's simply how things work, otherwise why would manufacturers bother spending serious cash on very limited editions like these halo cars?

[Calibrated]

i would still rather have this RS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sR3fyMkRFI

[Wraith]

^^^ Are you referring to the Audi TTRS ??? work net is blocking the vids for me :mad:

The new RS Focus is sure one hot hatch, no doubt about it, it sets a new standard in power and torque for a front wheel drive 'small' car...

As for it's looks, each to their own, I half like it, bit too busy and boy racer looking with the grilles on the bonnet and huge rear wing for my liking, I prefer the neater look of the basic XR5T, also love the look of the factory wheels on the new XR5T, they compliment the car superbly :)

As for the sound, that's one it'll have over all the other hot hatches (except like engined vehicles) because the IL5 naturally sounds better than any IL4...

Will have to wait to view the vids at home to see if it sounds as good as the new IL5 in the new TT-RS...

If anyone's interested in that, I've pasted a soundclip in the TT-RS thread :)

[gman]

The R32 is at $55k, probably because VW is allegedly a premium brand here down under ;) To be honest, I never understood why VW is seen as being any different to Holden and Ford since in Europe they are direct competitors.
I would have the RS any day though, since the R32 is probably 200kg heavier due to larger engine and AWD, has less power at 184 kW and guaranteed not as nimble on the twisty roads as the RS.

VW has excellent overall build and material quality. They also have some of the bets "affordable car" engineering in the market. They have had a few quality control issues recently. But overall, that why they try and charge a premium.

Either way, I would have the Ford in a second as a hot hatch...

[rjastra]

Based on the UK price of both the ST and RS, and the price of the XR5, I estimate that the RS would be sold here for about $49k.
What do you guys reckon?

The RS is 10% more expensive in the UK compared to a r32. So perhaps your maths needs a bit of a tweek as to how much a RS would be priced at here :)

[Neeko]

i really like the look of this car

[Calibrated]

^^^ Are you referring to the Audi TTRS ??? work net is blocking the vids for me :mad:

The new RS Focus is sure one hot hatch, no doubt about it, it sets a new standard in power and torque for a front wheel drive 'small' car...

As for it's looks, each to their own, I half like it, bit too busy and boy racer looking with the grilles on the bonnet and huge rear wing for my liking, I prefer the neater look of the basic XR5T, also love the look of the factory wheels on the new XR5T, they compliment the car superbly :)

As for the sound, that's one it'll have over all the other hot hatches (except like engined vehicles) because the IL5 naturally sounds better than any IL4...

Will have to wait to view the vids at home to see if it sounds as good as the new IL5 in the new TT-RS...

If anyone's interested in that, I've pasted a soundclip in the TT-RS thread :)
haha. no. Escort Cosworth RS

[GreyRex]

Has anyone seen this camparo vid with it?

http://motoring.sky.com/features/videos/video-ford-focus-rs-triple-test.aspx

Ok i'm beginning to like it...

[sooty]

It does look very quick.
But....still only 5.9 to 100 or whatever it was...maybe it's the torque that makes it feel quick

[dieselhead]

The RS is 10% more expensive in the UK compared to a r32. So perhaps your maths needs a bit of a tweek as to how much a RS would be priced at here :)



My calcs were based on the fact that an ST, similar spec with our XR5, is 20k quid, while the RS is 25k quid, so about 25% more. Now, knowing the XR5 is $35k, if you add 25% on to you get what? about $44k. Allow for some contingency but I wouldn't think it would go over $50k.
What does the R32 have to do with all this, anyway? :)

[tomtom]

I think that car looks the business tbh. I'll be getting green thankyou mr plato.

[dieselhead]

I'll have a white one, thanks. Just like the one in this month's TG Magazine... Wonder how much higher could you tune that engine... Not that 224kW is something to sneer at, ha ha!

[tomtom]

oh it comes in white!

http://www.feelride.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ford_focus_rs.jpg

Well good bye green.

[lithium]

looks pretty awesome...it might have trouble getting off the line but i bet the in gear acceleration is amazing :)

[gman]

Green...yes please..

White....Definately..

Blue...Absolutely

Orange...Why not

Any colour and this is a good thing... ;)

Now GM have to try and match it....

[dieselhead]

yeah, the white one's the best. think about it, should be cheaper, too. bloody orange cost a bomb on the XR5 and is not making it significantly faster :)

[Calibrated]

and what is ford's excuse for it not to come here?

[Neeko]

oh it comes in white!

http://www.feelride.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/ford_focus_rs.jpg

Well good bye green.

*drool*

[dieselhead]

Some info on this new fancy front suspension that kills the torque steer:
"The new Ford Focus RS is equipped with an innovative front suspension system known as a ‘RevoKnuckle’, which is designed to reduce unwanted steering disturbance and torque steer, the impact of torque on steering in front-wheel driven vehicles. Torque steer occurs during hard acceleration, cornering or driving on uneven surfaces, when torque on the driven wheels exceeds grips levels. It is characterised by sudden turning force on the steering wheel and can be exacerbated by vehicles with wide tyres and limited-slip differentials.

In Focus RS, the RevoKnuckle works in conjunction with a Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential. Ford Team RS engineers have worked closely with Ford's Advanced Research Centre in Aachen, Germany to develop the RevoKnuckle technology specifically for the high performance Focus RS. It allows the simplicity of a traditional McPherson strut arrangement, but with geometry settings that minimize steering disturbances and torque steer, principally a reduction in steering offset."

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/revo_knuckle.jpg

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/revo_knuckle_2.jpg

[rjastra]

My calcs were based on the fact that an ST, similar spec with our XR5, is 20k quid, while the RS is 25k quid, so about 25% more. Now, knowing the XR5 is $35k, if you add 25% on to you get what? about $44k. Allow for some contingency but I wouldn't think it would go over $50k.
What does the R32 have to do with all this, anyway? :)


Except an Xr5 is 37K here ;)

I am comparing it (pricewise) to an equivalent top shelf product in that market in the UK from which the UKP25000 has been thrown around.

[Wraith]

Some info on this new fancy front suspension that kills the torque steer:
"The new Ford Focus RS is equipped with an innovative front suspension system known as a ‘RevoKnuckle’, which is designed to reduce unwanted steering disturbance and torque steer, the impact of torque on steering in front-wheel driven vehicles. Torque steer occurs during hard acceleration, cornering or driving on uneven surfaces, when torque on the driven wheels exceeds grips levels. It is characterised by sudden turning force on the steering wheel and can be exacerbated by vehicles with wide tyres and limited-slip differentials.

In Focus RS, the RevoKnuckle works in conjunction with a Quaife Automatic Torque Biasing limited-slip differential. Ford Team RS engineers have worked closely with Ford's Advanced Research Centre in Aachen, Germany to develop the RevoKnuckle technology specifically for the high performance Focus RS. It allows the simplicity of a traditional McPherson strut arrangement, but with geometry settings that minimize steering disturbances and torque steer, principally a reduction in steering offset."

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/revo_knuckle.jpg

http://home.att.net/%7Ebiker16/revo_knuckle_2.jpg

Here's what alot of people are hoping is also a part of the new MPS 3 :)

We'll know soon enough...

[Huhness]

I Love This Car :cornut:

And Ford have made the 5 cylinder engine sound even more orgasmic! Volvo quieten the engine in most applications in their cars. The XR5 sounds better than any 4cylinder turbo hot hatch on the market which is 90% of the hot hatch cars.

There is still hope that Ford may bring the RS to our shores but it may take a while before they do. :( Probably just like the XR4, they'll bring it here when its almost at the end of its production.

[Wraith]

I Love This Car :cornut:

And Ford have made the 5 cylinder engine sound even more orgasmic! Volvo quieten the engine in most applications in their cars. The XR5 sounds better than any 4cylinder turbo hot hatch on the market which is 90% of the hot hatch cars.

There is still hope that Ford may bring the RS to our shores but it may take a while before they do. :( Probably just like the XR4, they'll bring it here when its almost at the end of its production.


Right you are about the 'acoustics' of the IL5 vs IL4 ;) evIdence the sound of the new 5 cylinder TT-RS...very orgasmic, it sounds like a baby V10 !

Also I would rather have an XR5T like yours over this RS :)

[JohnBu]

Also I would rather have an XR5T like yours over this RS :)

you serious????

that's like saying you would rather shag Miranda Kerr's older, plainer and frigid sister over Miranda who goes off in the sack- I just don't get it.

I'll take Miranda and we can double date, just don't blame me if Miranda's moaning keeps you up :)

[gman]

that's like saying you would rather shag Miranda Kerr's older, plainer and frigid sister over Miranda who goes off in the sack- I just don't get it.

Nice analogy... :lol:

[Wraith]

you serious????

that's like saying you would rather shag Miranda Kerr's older, plainer and frigid sister over Miranda who goes off in the sack- I just don't get it.

I'll take Miranda and we can double date, just don't blame me if Miranda's moaning keeps you up :)

Very serious, just my opinion, but I'm not liking the looks of the new Focus RS compared to the basic XR5T...

Yes I agree with everyone else about the performance between the 2, no comparison, but regardless of performance, for me if I don't like the look of the vehicle I don't want it...it's why for eg. I've never purchased a WRX or EVO in the past - couldn't stand the looks of those things, even though I admired and respected their performance, the new ones I would buy - much nicer looking IMHO :)

Hope that makes more sense...

Oh I would take Miranda over the older sis too :D

[tomtom]

you serious????

that's like saying you would rather shag Miranda Kerr's older, plainer and frigid sister over Miranda who goes off in the sack- I just don't get it.

I'll take Miranda and we can double date, just don't blame me if Miranda's moaning keeps you up :)

hahah that made me laugh:angel:

[lee683]

sadly i do like it.
sad cause its a ford

[dieselhead]

Get your hands on the current edition of the TG Mag if you wanna read about the RS! They absolutely love this beast of a car. Tom Ford is keeping close to the Stig on some twisters while both driving Fords. Tom drives the RS while the tamed racing driver trashes a GT super car.
Clarkson's verdict: "Focus RS: it's epic!"

[Wraith]

^^^^ Hahahahaha Clarksons famous last words on any car he likes - "it's epic" heard him say that about so many new releases only to turn around and bag them down the track :lol:

Remember his 1st long drive and conclusion of the current model RS4..."it's epic" even better than an M3...2 years later, "only tools buy and drive RS4's" :rollyeys1: and he's had a similar reversal of opinion on the new E92 M3 only it was the other way round, hated it at 1st, loves it now - I wouldn't take anything Clarkson says about cars seriously, he is the one who's a serious tool !!!

[Vectracious]

^^^^ Hahahahaha Clarksons famous last words on any car he likes - "it's epic" heard him say that about so many new releases only to turn around and bag them down the track :lol:


I agree - he overuses the word - and his about face on the RS4 and Bimmer is pretty funny.

[dieselhead]

Poor Clarkson, how was he to make up his mind about the RS4 vs M3? Aren't they both amazing cars, driven by cocks more often than not? You're fools if you think you could have done any better!
So, according to him, RS4 is epic, M3 is epic, too... Wait a minute, now he's saying the RS is also epic! Not bad for something 1/3 the price of the Germans IMHO.

Talking about overusing the word, I don't remember him using it for the new STi or any other direct competitor of the RS. In fact, he used rather nasty words when reviewing new Subaru models. ;)

At the end of the day, I don't care what Clarkson thinks about the RS to be honest. I. WANT. ONE. NOW. In white, thanks.

[rjastra]

Some of you dont get "it". He was talking about the people who DROVE the cars not the abilities of the car themselves.

"Cocks" used to buy M3s.... now "Cocks" buy RS4s etc and leave the m3s alone.

[Vectracious]

Poor Clarkson, how was he to make up his mind about the RS4 vs M3? Aren't they both amazing cars, driven by cocks more often than not? You're fools if you think you could have done any better!
So, according to him, RS4 is epic, M3 is epic, too... Wait a minute, now he's saying the RS is also epic! Not bad for something 1/3 the price of the Germans IMHO.

Talking about overusing the word, I don't remember him using it for the new STi or any other direct competitor of the RS. In fact, he used rather nasty words when reviewing new Subaru models. ;)

At the end of the day, I don't care what Clarkson thinks about the RS to be honest. I. WANT. ONE. NOW. In white, thanks.

what tangent have you gone off on?


Some of you dont get "it". He was talking about the people who DROVE the cars not the abilities of the car themselves.

"Cocks" used to buy M3s.... now "Cocks" buy RS4s etc and leave the m3s alone.

really? :eek:

[Wraith]

At the end of the day, I don't care what Clarkson thinks about the RS to be honest. I. WANT. ONE. NOW. In white, thanks.

Good on you, that's what it's all about, car interest/enthusiasm is an individual thing :)

If you really like the thing and want/can afford one - go for it :)

Although word is they're still not going to be introduced in Aust.

How about the basic XR5T and spend some money bringing it up a bit...

[Wraith]

Some of you dont get "it". He was talking about the people who DROVE the cars not the abilities of the car themselves.

"Cocks" used to buy M3s.... now "Cocks" buy RS4s etc and leave the m3s alone.

Yeah, so if Clarkson dosn't like a certain demographic, they're cocks and he wouldn't touch the sort of cars being driven by such groups, whether he likes the cars or not and they've gone from being cool and highly desirable to uncool...God he's an idiot ! :out:

The very sad part is, people from all over the World take what he says as gospel....poor basdards :nonod:

[Wraith]

what tangent have you gone off on?

Oh he just loves the the new Focus RS...nothing wrong with that :)




really? :eek:

Yes, interesting how in the U.K no dickheads only good people currently buy M3's according to Clarksons wisdom :rolleyes:

[dieselhead]

Good on you, that's what it's all about, car interest/enthusiasm is an individual thing :)

If you really like the thing and want/can afford one - go for it :)

Although word is they're still not going to be introduced in Aust.

How about the basic XR5T and spend some money bringing it up a bit...

Oh, I hate you so much right now! ;)
It will come down under, it has to! If big car sales goes to sh#t, what's left for Ford? You need a halo car to boost Focus and Fiesta sales, don't you? FPV needs a car that could send the VXR into oblivion, just like the F6 has done with the clumsy and antique V8s from HSV.

Buying an XR5 is not an option for me. Would you buy a Rallyart, remap it
and imagine you've got an EVO? I wouldn't... I would rather buy a 2-3 years old S3 than drive a slightly pimped wannabe.

[Wraith]

Oh, I hate you so much right now! ;)
It will come down under, it has to! If big car sales goes to sh#t, what's left for Ford? You need a halo car to boost Focus and Fiesta sales, don't you? FPV needs a car that could send the VXR into oblivion, just like the F6 has done with the clumsy and antique V8s from HSV.

Buying an XR5 is not an option for me. Would you buy a Rallyart, remap it
and imagine you've got an EVO? I wouldn't... I would rather buy a 2-3 years old S3 than drive a slightly pimped wannabe.

I see your point, but if I really wanted a new hi po Lancer and the Evo 10 was not available, then I might very well get a Ralliart and enhance it...what will you do if the Focus RS is not available ??? XR5T tuned/enhanced is not a bad choice if you really like the new Focus hi po range :)

Desregarding Clarkson again, the RS will more than have its hands full with both the new MY09 WRX and MY09 STI - the new basic MY09 WRX will thump the Focus RS in terms of performance and is arguably better looking too and alot cheaper !!! ...have you considered a new rex at all ?? :)

[dieselhead]

You must be joking, right? The RS would compete with the STi, while the basic Rex has no chance next to it. True, we haven't seen any RS Nurburgring figures yet, but from what I read already I know is fast.
Talking about looks, well I would say the Subaru's are not exactly my favorite cars. The STi might look a bit better than the standard Rex, but it is also $10-15k dearer than an RS, too. Then, think about the exclusivity factor. If Ford decides to make me a happy man bringing the RS beast my way, I bet you won't see too many on the street. STis? Yeah, plenty of them, different MYs is true, but they're still all STis. Expecially thinking about Subaru's and Mitsubishi's stupid habit to change the model ever so slightly every time some of their exec has some whiskey induced visions.

[Wraith]

You must be joking, right? The RS would compete with the STi, while the basic Rex has no chance next to it. True, we haven't seen any RS Nurburgring figures yet, but from what I read already I know is fast.
Talking about looks, well I would say the Subaru's are not exactly my favorite cars. The STi might look a bit better than the standard Rex, but it is also $10-15k dearer than an RS, too. Then, think about the exclusivity factor. If Ford decides to make me a happy man bringing the RS beast my way, I bet you won't see too many on the street. STis? Yeah, plenty of them, different MYs is true, but they're still all STis. Expecially thinking about Subaru's and Mitsubishi's stupid habit to change the model ever so slightly every time some of their exec has some whiskey induced visions.

LOL not joking at all...:)

Look up and read about the new MY09 WRX, it's already been discussed in other threads, there are heaps of u-tube vids showing it running low 13's ;)

0-100km/h in under 5sec.

1/4 mile in mid to low 13's

That's enough to thump the Focus RS and costs around half as much !!! I'm basing that on what I believe the Focus RS will be priced at if it comes to Aust. ie: no less than 65k ;)

The new MY09 STI isn't released yet, or maybe just released (will have to check) and Subaru have enhanced it as much as they've enhanced the basic MY09 WRX...meaning it'll be a killer :)

At the end of the day, whichever your happiest with, but just remember don't hold your breath for an Aust. release of the Focus RS anytime soon...65k I say give me the new MY09 STI :D

[GreyRex]

LOL not joking at all...:)

Look up and read about the new MY09 WRX, it's already been discussed in other threads, there are heaps of u-tube vids showing it running low 13's ;)

0-100km/h in under 5sec.

1/4 mile in mid to low 13's



Last night i read the very informative (/crap) RACV magazine we get once a month. They clocked the WRX 0 - 100km/h in 7.5. Maybe they didn't feel like full bore launches?

Tbh i really couldn't care though. It's absolutely hideous, and after sitting in it at the Motor Show... i couldn't care how it goes

[Wraith]

Last night i read the very informative (/crap) RACV magazine we get once a month. They clocked the WRX 0 - 100km/h in 7.5. Maybe they didn't feel like full bore launches?

Tbh i really couldn't care though. It's absolutely hideous, and after sitting in it at the Motor Show... i couldn't care how it goes

7.5 ??? they got the pedal jammed :lol:

Was it an MY09 or MY08 ?? there's a huge difference in performance between the 2...the u-tube vids I've viewed show it doing low 13's consistantly ;)

Owners of the MY08 are not a very happy bunch :D

[Wraith]

Apologies for going off topic with the WRX here's some links if you guys are interested, :)

http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2008/sports/subaru/impreza/fitter-and-faster-my09-rex-grows-teeth-11070

http://www.carsales.com.au/reviews/2008/small-passenger/subaru/impreza/subaru-wrx-my09-sedan-11125

http://www.carpoint.com.au/news/2008/sports/subaru/impreza/subaru-tweaks-09-wrx-hatch-7234

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/subaru-impreza-wrx-2009.htm

[dieselhead]

Last night i read the very informative (/crap) RACV magazine we get once a month. They clocked the WRX 0 - 100km/h in 7.5. Maybe they didn't feel like full bore launches?

Tbh i really couldn't care though. It's absolutely hideous, and after sitting in it at the Motor Show... i couldn't care how it goes

I totally agree Mizled. Under 6 seconds 0-100km/h stock WRXs are pure urban legend. I would call a under 5 seconds one a miracle ;) Again, I'm talking stock here, not souped up cars driven by clutch hating bogans. Even the STi is advertised as a low 5 seconds machine, isn't it?

The RS needs 5.9 seconds to 100 km/h. To be honest, if Ford would have quoted anything lower I would have been suspicious. This car is not that much about straights, a hoon V8 would do a much better job at that, but about how it corners. On top of that, it can average 9.2 l/100km when driven as it shouldn't be driven (read sensibly) due to its FWD setup. I am yet to see an AWD Subey that could match it. Not that fuel economy matters too much for such a hooligan hatch, but is nice to know it won't get you bankrupt when filling the tank.

[Storm Shadow]

As I have said before, being an Opel corsa and Fiesta ST owner, I love both makes, especially when they put automotive design passion first. I have been drooling over the new RS since I saw the first concept sketches! Im with dieselhead, please MR Ford Australia bring this magnificent beast down under!!!!

As we all know taste in cars is individual and it is what makes us passionate about something, while others may find it hideous! For me the Focus RS is everything I want from a euro hatch and euro hatches I do love.

another clip of the RS in action that just makes me want one soo bad!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CADmwOtnoU

[dieselhead]

Check out this video: 135i vs EVO X vs RS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_8SnmpZo28) Oh, that noise is simply intoxicating :)

[Wraith]

I totally agree Mizled. Under 6 seconds 0-100km/h stock WRXs are pure urban legend. I would call a under 5 seconds one a miracle ;) Again, I'm talking stock here, not souped up cars driven by clutch hating bogans. Even the STi is advertised as a low 5 seconds machine, isn't it?

The RS needs 5.9 seconds to 100 km/h. To be honest, if Ford would have quoted anything lower I would have been suspicious. This car is not that much about straights, a hoon V8 would do a much better job at that, but about how it corners. On top of that, it can average 9.2 l/100km when driven as it shouldn't be driven (read sensibly) due to its FWD setup. I am yet to see an AWD Subey that could match it. Not that fuel economy matters too much for such a hooligan hatch, but is nice to know it won't get you bankrupt when filling the tank.

Hmmm, did you not read or reaserch any of the WRX reviews literature (remember we're talking MY09 model)...the u-tube vids I mentioned earlier of the low 13sec 1/4 mile runs, as far as I can see were not being clutch bombed...they were hard take offs as one would with an AWD drivetrain :)

MY08 STI is advertised as a low 5sec machine yes, the MY09 STI is said to capable of mid to low 4's ;) no dreaming or specualtion or myths here either lol, the MY09 WRX as already repeated many times has been tested at low 5's...as for handling, the new MY09 rexes are said to as good as the older models in this regard, which means they're well up there with the best :)

Don't get me wrong, the Focus RS is probably going to be the best hi po FWD hatch around, but it'll still come off 2nd best o/a compared to the best of the AWD bridgade and I'm sure 99% of people buying a WRX or Focus RS will not resist the urge to tune or update/enhance the vehicles performance in which case the WRX has far more scope and will translate such upgrades to better performance results main part being due to AWD ;)

I'm waiting for the new MY09 STI to arrive and am going to try and get a good session behind the wheel...should be interesting :)

[Wraith]

Check out this video: 135i vs EVO X vs RS. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_8SnmpZo28) Oh, that noise is simply intoxicating :)

Will have to wait till tonight or the weekend to see this vid, but can already agree regarding the sound, IL5's sound good, the new TT-RS is another example...not sure it's a better sound than the flat 4 boxer sound though...:skep:

[Vectracious]

I totally agree Mizled. Under 6 seconds 0-100km/h stock WRXs are pure urban legend.


You are not as informed as you think you might be. Youve also obviously never driven a WRX if you think <6sec from a stock one is "urban legend" or if you did it was a very sick one.

[Wraith]

You are not as informed as you think you might be. Youve also obviously never driven a WRX if you think <6sec from a stock one is "urban legend" or if you did it was a very sick one.

Just imagine that line being posted on a WRX forum...a 'typical' stock WRX going under 6sec 0-100km/h is an urban legend :eyes:

Hmmmmm :deadhorse:

:lol: :lol:

[dieselhead]

OK guys, since I don't wanna get ran over by a stock Rex while crossing the street, I will change my statement, slightly. Instead of saying that no stock Rex is capable of sub 6 seconds 0-100 km/h, I am stating that you need at least 125 kW/ton in a AWD car to be capable of that performance. I'm pretty sure not all WRX versions would fit the bill.

Have to admit though, the 09 WRX, at 135 kW/ton, must be a pretty impressive little number. :) Subaru got mad to put more power in the WRX than they used to in the STi only a few years back. Yeah, way to go guys!

They're not as mad as Ford though, who got under FWD RS' bonet more power than Subaru's 09 STi (224 vs 221 kW). I can't wait to see the Nurburgring figures for the RS-they should be made available some time next week. You have to agree that AWD does not automatically mean more grip or higher cornering speeds. There are RWD or FWD cars out there that are faster than similarly powered AWD cars. The plot thickens...

An introduction from the man himself Jost Capito (http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFocusRS/VideosPhotosanddownloads), Director of Ford Team RS
Wouldn't you love to have his job?

*just watching the video, Jost Capito said the RS is coming to Australia!!!! Woooohooo!

"The car will go all to Europe and also to Australia" Jost Capito, director of Ford Team RS (http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFocusRS/VideosPhotosanddownloads)

[dieselhead]

Driver's Republic verdict on the RS: (http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/prizefight042/?fm=2)
"It has over 300bhp and it handles like nothing else. In the face of such opposition, R26.R, little genius that it is, has to cede the advantage. The Subaru has its merits, but up against two of the best drivers cars you'll experience at any price, it was never in the hunt. The RS rolled with the hype and delivered on every count"

Now, the Subaru they are talking about there my dear Wraith, is an STi. Not a vanilla Rex but the full Monty. It looks like the RS redefines how FWD hatches steer. Sure, you are sceptical and you're right to be so, but don't make your final judgement before driving one :)

[Wraith]

OK guys, since I don't wanna get ran over by a stock Rex while crossing the street, I will change my statement, slightly. Instead of saying that no stock Rex is capable of sub 6 seconds 0-100 km/h, I am stating that you need at least 125 kW/ton in a AWD car to be capable of that performance. I'm pretty sure not all WRX versions would fit the bill.

Have to admit though, the 09 WRX, at 135 kW/ton, must be a pretty impressive little number. :) Subaru got mad to put more power in the WRX than they used to in the STi only a few years back. Yeah, way to go guys!

They're not as mad as Ford though, who got under FWD RS' bonet more power than Subaru's 09 STi (224 vs 221 kW). I can't wait to see the Nurburgring figures for the RS-they should be made available some time next week. You have to agree that AWD does not automatically mean more grip or higher cornering speeds. There are RWD or FWD cars out there that are faster than similarly powered AWD cars. The plot thickens...

An introduction from the man himself Jost Capito (http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFocusRS/VideosPhotosanddownloads), Director of Ford Team RS
Wouldn't you love to have his job?

*just watching the video, Jost Capito said the RS is coming to Australia!!!! Woooohooo!

"The car will go all to Europe and also to Australia" Jost Capito, director of Ford Team RS (http://www.ford.co.uk/Cars/NewFocusRS/VideosPhotosanddownloads)

Good post :)

Just keep in mind the MY09 STI will be boosted compared with the MY08 and its current output is 225kw not 221kw...

Agree with your 3rd paragraph, but as power and torque climbs AWD will begin to give you a distinct grip advantage, especially from a standing start - no question...

I really do hope it comes to Aust. as mentioned, being the best performance FWD vehicle on offer, it would be welcome anywhere... :)

[Wraith]

Driver's Republic verdict on the RS: (http://magazines.drivers-republic.com/driversrepublic/prizefight042/?fm=2)
"It has over 300bhp and it handles like nothing else. In the face of such opposition, R26.R, little genius that it is, has to cede the advantage. The Subaru has its merits, but up against two of the best drivers cars you'll experience at any price, it was never in the hunt. The RS rolled with the hype and delivered on every count"

Now, the Subaru they are talking about there my dear Wraith, is an STi. Not a vanilla Rex but the full Monty. It looks like the RS redefines how FWD hatches steer. Sure, you are sceptical and you're right to be so, but don't make your final judgement before driving one :)

Most definitely can't make any final judgements, obviously have to rely on reviews...but would'nt you be pissed if you got left for dead at your typical street light drag by every hot rex you bumped into, that's about 95% of situations of what happens in typical day to day driving, (ie: street light drags) you won't be able to out corner or out handle anybody in day to day driving LOL...

Take note of that price tag diesel head...

If you look at any other U.K vehicle price and compare to what they sell here for, you'll find that the Focus RS will be at least in the 60-65k price point, as I've mentioned earlier...I don't know how successful it'll be here in that price bracket ??? on the bright side though with high price tags, it keeps the numbers sold to a minimum guaranteeing uniqueness, which is a good thing too :)

BTW I'm happy to see you excited and thinking of jumping ship and getting yourself into a hi po 'petrol' vehicle... :thumbs:

[dieselhead]

Successful? If Ford sells one RS only here down under, that's a white one and registered on my name.
I'm pretty sure the car will get here at around $55k. We'll see. In regards to light drags, I wouldn't care less to be honest because I would know my car is so much better and it would kill an STi for looks alone :D Plus, if you read carefully the Driver's Republic review, you will see the STi needs to be above 3,000 rpm to start doing some work, while the RS has maximum torque between 2,300 and 4,500 rpm. 440 Nm in that range, too! Trust me, I know what torque does and how it helps you speculate every tiny gap in traffic. I drive a Diesel with 400 Nm at 3,000rpm after all, and torque steer is my friend. That's why I say that RS would out rolling accelerate anything in its price and performance range. Aparently, Ford made it a bit slower in the first two gears by limiting the toque to protect the gear box. So yeah, it could be a bit slower off the line, but once we start moving...

[Wraith]

Successful? If Ford sells one RS only here down under, that's a white one and registered on my name.
I'm pretty sure the car will get here at around $55k. We'll see. In regards to light drags, I wouldn't care less to be honest because I would know my car is so much better and it would kill an STi for looks alone :D Plus, if you read carefully the Driver's Republic review, you will see the STi needs to be above 3,000 rpm to start doing some work, while the RS has maximum torque between 2,300 and 4,500 rpm. 440 Nm in that range, too! Trust me, I know what torque does and how it helps you speculate every tiny gap in traffic. I drive a Diesel with 400 Nm at 3,000rpm after all, and torque steer is my friend. That's why I say that RS would out rolling accelerate anything in its price and performance range. Aparently, Ford made it a bit slower in the first two gears by limiting the toque to protect the gear box. So yeah, it could be a bit slower off the line, but once we start moving...

Fair enough... :)

You'd be having wet dreams then with 'that other' RS...the one that I want :D

Similar 2.5ltr IL5 with 450nm (100%) torque from just 1,600 all the way to 5000rpm, what a fantastic torque curve...think about that one for a moment :smile2:

Combined with a 7spd automated manual and AWD aaarrrrrggghhh I'd pay just to sample that :)

[dieselhead]

Look, no arguments there, a TT-RS would be a much better car than a Focus RS. However, I don't have $150k handy and I need 4 seats because I have a family. I sincerely doubt the TT-RS is 3X a better car than the Ford. Having said that, I'm sure is an amazing car and if money wasn't an issue, I'd get one as my track/leisure drive.

There's a certain charm in a very fast Ford, would you agree? A very hot hatch like the RS appeals to my European attitude towards cars: lighter is better, and less is more (talking about engine). Plus, exclusivity is guaranteed, there's going to be nothing remotely close in looks to the RS, especially with the new Focus being launched soon. There might be faster cars on the market, driving more wheels, easier to mod, with more pedigree... However, for me this Ford sits right in the sweet spot for price, looks, performance and exclusivity. Who knows, given the limited production number (estimated at 8,000 over two years delivered worldwide), in a few years the RS could become a classic. New, draconian environmental rules might kill both huge displacement muscle cars and turbocharged pocket rockets in the near future...

[Wraith]

Look, no arguments there, a TT-RS would be a much better car than a Focus RS. However, I don't have $150k handy and I need 4 seats because I have a family. I sincerely doubt the TT-RS is 3X a better car than the Ford. Having said that, I'm sure is an amazing car and if money wasn't an issue, I'd get one as my track/leisure drive.

There's a certain charm in a very fast Ford, would you agree? A very hot hatch like the RS appeals to my European attitude towards cars: lighter is better, and less is more (talking about engine). Plus, exclusivity is guaranteed, there's going to be nothing remotely close in looks to the RS, especially with the new Focus being launched soon. There might be faster cars on the market, driving more wheels, easier to mod, with more pedigree... However, for me this Ford sits right in the sweet spot for price, looks, performance and exclusivity. Who knows, given the limited production number (estimated at 8,000 over two years delivered worldwide), in a few years the RS could become a classic. New, draconian environmental rules might kill both huge displacement muscle cars and turbocharged pocket rockets in the near future...

Yep, that's the hurdle I've got to overcome...the price tag :( and they're definitely overpriced, all Audis are...:mad:

Regarding the Focus, I wouldn't really worry about the Ford badge, because it's manufactured in Europe (Belgium is it ??) and has a Volvo engine and much of the front end assembly from U.K manufacturers, bit like your local Opel with Holden badges, those in the know - will know better :)

But yes each to their own, you love the thing, hopefully they'll come down under and you can seriously set yourself to getting one ;)

As for the future who knows, but I suppose it's not being crazy to assume that all fossil fuel powered vehicles have their days numbered, may not be short term, but long term it will happen...but lets not think about that too much :)

[dieselhead]

The RS is manufactured at Ford's Saarlouis plant in Germany. Just like Nissan has done with the GTR, FORD would get only its best engineers to manufacture the "creme de la creme" cars. I'm sure manufacturing quality won't be an issue :)

[Wraith]

The RS is manufactured at Ford's Saarlouis plant in Germany. Just like Nissan has done with the GTR, FORD would get only its best engineers to manufacture the "creme de la creme" cars. I'm sure manufacturing quality won't be an issue :)

I'm sure it won't be a prob...

AFAIK most vehicle manufacturing plants in most Western European Countries have a reputation for quality work/assembly.

Just keep your fingers crossed it'll be considered by Ford Aust.

[GreyRex]

The RS is manufactured at Ford's Saarlouis plant in Germany. Just like Nissan has done with the GTR, FORD would get only its best engineers to manufacture the "creme de la creme" cars. I'm sure manufacturing quality won't be an issue :)


I'm sure it won't be a prob...

AFAIK most vehicle manufacturing plants in most Western European Countries have a reputation for quality work/assembly.

Just keep your fingers crossed it'll be considered by Ford Aust.

As much as i too love the RS (and the XR5)... as with any car, they have their fair share of problems

This isn't my opinion either... it's what people have posted, as im a member on the XR5 forum too; many issues to do with broken/damaged CV joints, weak air con not really adequate for aussie heat, broken recaro seat bases, creaking door seals, plastics warping, power steering failures

Oh, and then you have to deal with good 'ol Ford Dealerships. There are threads after threads after threads devoted to how poor the service is. Obviously these aren't the rule... they are exceptions. But they happen nonetheless.

So yes, European engineering/manufacturing is generally better... but it's not always perfect

[Wraith]

As much as i too love the RS (and the XR5)... as with any car, they have their fair share of problems

This isn't my opinion either... it's what people have posted, as im a member on the XR5 forum too; many issues to do with broken/damaged CV joints, weak air con not really adequate for aussie heat, broken recaro seat bases, creaking door seals, plastics warping, power steering failures

Oh, and then you have to deal with good 'ol Ford Dealerships. There are threads after threads after threads devoted to how poor the service is. Obviously these aren't the rule... they are exceptions. But they happen nonetheless.

So yes, European engineering/manufacturing is generally better... but it's not always perfect

Damn Miz. that there sounds like your typical debacle with owning a typical Cali. :(

Never knew Ford service depts. were as bad as your typical Holden service dept. that one you can get out of by finding your own good workshop, but as for the probs above with the Focus vehicles, hopefully you'll be lucky and get one that won't give you too many headaches...

[Huhness]

Damn Miz. that there sounds like your typical debacle with owning a typical Cali. :(

Never knew Ford service depts. were as bad as your typical Holden service dept. that one you can get out of by finding your own good workshop, but as for the probs above with the Focus vehicles, hopefully you'll be lucky and get one that won't give you too many headaches...

There are some bad service departments out there *Cough* Brad Garlick Ford in Ryde *Cough*. But every manufacturer has them. I've found a great one and so have the other guys.

About the problems people are having with the Focus XR5, Although there are these issues Ford know about them and will own up to them and the fixes are easy.

I hope they bring the RS down here it will be my next car.

[dieselhead]

Show me a perfectly built car that's not branded Ferrari, Bugatti or Maybach. Plus, we get about 12 months time to find out what issues, if any, the happy RS owners are having with their babies :)
I was never a Ford fan, but you really have to give them a tip of the hat for what they've done lately. The new Ka, Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, the fantastic F6, even the Territory in its market, are all superb cars. Look at the new supercharged super Jag, it s possibly the best sports car in decades. They are the only American car company that will survive the financial disaster, and do it by themselves instead of begging for money from the Obamammouth. Sure they're not perfect, but thing about the jump they made from Festivas and AUs in just a few years!

[Wraith]

Show me a perfectly built car that's not branded Ferrari, Bugatti or Maybach. Plus, we get about 12 months time to find out what issues, if any, the happy RS owners are having with their babies :)
I was never a Ford fan, but you really have to give them a tip of the hat for what they've done lately. The new Ka, Fiesta, Focus, Mondeo, the fantastic F6, even the Territory in its market, are all superb cars. Look at the new supercharged super Jag, it s possibly the best sports car in decades. They are the only American car company that will survive the financial disaster, and do it by themselves instead of begging for money from the Obamammouth. Sure they're not perfect, but thing about the jump they made from Festivas and AUs in just a few years!

Funny you should mention the recent Ford products, only yesterday in my lunch break I checked out an orange F6 up close - love it !!! and it's a local product too, well done Ford Aust. it's quite a machine and fantastic value for money, pity I don't want or need a large sedan, otherwise I'd seriously want one...

[dieselhead]

Ford Focus RS: La Traction Extraterrestre (http://news.caradisiac.com/Ford-Focus-RS-l-essai-video-216)

Finally, a video review of a white one! Hope you guys don't mind it is in French. The sound of the engine needs no translation :D

[rjastra]

They are the only American car company that will survive the financial disaster, and do it by themselves instead of begging for money from the Obamammouth. Sure they're not perfect, but thing about the jump they made from Festivas and AUs in just a few years!

Right... they sold the family jewels (mazda, jag, LR), asked for a $9Billion line of credit from Obama and asked for $5Billion in loans from the energy department for electric vehicles.


Ford said it could not give the government loans the senior status that some on Capitol Hill have requested because it would violate the terms of its existing loans.

So it essentially seems to mean they couldn't ask for government handouts.

[9090GO]

Oh, I hate you so much right now! ;)
It will come down under, it has to! If big car sales goes to sh#t, what's left for Ford? You need a halo car to boost Focus and Fiesta sales, don't you? FPV needs a car that could send the VXR into oblivion, just like the F6 has done with the clumsy and antique V8s from HSV.

Buying an XR5 is not an option for me. Would you buy a Rallyart, remap it
and imagine you've got an EVO? I wouldn't... I would rather buy a 2-3 years old S3 than drive a slightly pimped wannabe.

That really depends on what you want, Japanese, European or Australian.

[sooty]

It does look good in white...not so boy racer as the other colours..

[dieselhead]

The main reason I like white is that there's no extra to pay. In comparison, the blue is a 250 quid option, while the green goes for 750 quid!!!

Nah, just kidding, I simply like the way it looks in white. You're right, it looks less of a boy racer, too.

[Shaun]

There is a story in Top Gear Australia this month on the RS Focus. I love the look of them. As for problems with the XR5 T . It dont matter what you drive. They all have problems and All manafacturers dont like owning up to them. Mercedes Benz Products are renound for problems. And most of there products are over the 40K mark.
So it dosent matter how much you spend they still have problems. I would say That Hyundai Mitsubishi Toyota and nissan build strong products. But still encounter problems.

Getting back to the RS i would consider one if the price is right and the come to Australia.

[Apex]

+1.

NZ were romoured to be getting this car before Christmas. However Ford NZ is ceasing the import of the Mondeo XR5T so it could be off the cars now.

Problem is how many of you would put your money where your mouth is?

Like the previous Focus RS’s and current ST three door they can be ordered and will be covered under warranty. But it’s a case of you order it you own it, a flight to the UK for a test drive is expensive so most are ordered by hard core NZ RS fans, and there are quite a few.

We did get the Sierra, Sapphire and a few Escorts delivered but they would inevitably sell. The Price of a Sapphire RS Cosworth 4x4 new in the early 90’s. 95k.


We are fortunate to have laid back compliance rules, cant see why Ford AU couldn’t bring one in.

[dieselhead]

I would put the money where my mouth is! Hard to believe that a country with population smaller than Melbourne would get the car and we won't. The RS will get here by this time next year. I finish my lease on the black Astra in January, right on time to get ready for a white RS :)

[Apex]

I think Ford NZ has a good relationship with the mother land, we have a strong tradition with British ford and there cars have always been very popular here.

You must also take into account we don’t have a local motor industry to protect so anything goes without fear of standing on anyone’s toes. Most would still go for a XR6-T though. I would.

Per capita NZ has a crap load of petrol heads, greater than Ausi by a long shot, the fact out of the thousand odd Astra’s I saw in Melbourne last week only two were turbo’s was laughable.

Maybe go into a Ford dealer with 50k and blonk it on there desk, see what happens.

[Shaun]

Problem is how many of you would put your money where your mouth is?

Like the previous Focus RS’s and current ST three door they can be ordered and will be covered under warranty. But it’s a case of you order it you own it, a flight to the UK for a test drive is expensive so most are ordered by hard core NZ RS fans, and there are quite a few.

We did get the Sierra, Sapphire and a few Escorts delivered but they would inevitably sell. The Price of a Sapphire RS Cosworth 4x4 new in the early 90’s. 95k.


We are fortunate to have laid back compliance rules, cant see why Ford AU couldn’t bring one in.

So Very True about Our ADR (Australian Design Rule) over here. NZ is laied back compaired to our rules.

But very true about the How many will put there money were there mouths are. The car will come close to $60k plus with a market this is a massive down turn its not going to have a great business case to start with.

[dieselhead]

Push the pedals and play, or download the mp3!

http://www.ford.co.uk/hidden/FocusRSSounds

[Shaun]

Volvo Engines Sound so Nice...

[Wraith]

I would put the money where my mouth is! Hard to believe that a country with population smaller than Melbourne would get the car and we won't. The RS will get here by this time next year. I finish my lease on the black Astra in January, right on time to get ready for a white RS :)

Here's hoping for you and everybody else wanting one of these, I know what's it's like to really want a vehicle to then be deprived by the relevant manufacturer not bringing them over :nonod: