HSV's Corsa VXR must sell for less than $30,000 to be acceptable to the marketplace..

[Theo]

Read for more detail:-
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2008/large-passenger/hsv/we-just-want-two-hot-opels-firmly-on-hsv-agenda-11173

[Ice]

Link dont work buddy !

[Theo]

Try:-
http://www.carsales.com.au/news/2008/large-passenger/hsv/we-just-want-two-hot-opels-firmly-on-hsv-agenda-11173

or

HSV is actively negotiating to add two hot Opel models to its local line-up
Holden Special Vehicles is zeroing in on adding two standalone high-performance European-built models to its local line-up. Indeed, according to HSV boss Phil Harding the company is actively negotiating on pricing on the two cars -- a naturally aspirated hot hatch and a turbo V6 midsizer.
The models in question are the stove-hot OPC (Opel Performance Centre) variant of the new Insignia (more here (http://www.carsales.com.au/car-review/2977394.aspx)), due to be released in Europe in 2009, and a much-flagged addition to the HSV range, the Corsa VXR.
Yesterday in Melbourne, HSV Managing Director Phil Harding confirmed both the Insignia and Corsa were the subject of serious business case examinations. Indeed, he said the negotiations on whether the cars would come Down Under had come down to price.
"We've got to the point where we like the product. We've got to the point where we've understood how much it's going to cost us [to introduce the car into Australia] and we're now trying to get the right price," the HSV boss said.
If Harding's team is successful, the Insignia (more here (http://www.carsales.com.au/car-review/3008333.aspx))and Corsa will be the first products HSV has introduced that do not have corresponding Holden versions on sale Down Under. It's understood Holden will source both its next generation light and medium cars from Korea.
To date HSV has almost exclusively concentrated on Commodore-based product. That trend was bucked in March 2006 when then HSV Marketing Director, Phil Harding, confirmed a rebadged version of the Vauxhall VXR would come Down Under, as the HSV VXR (more here (http://www.carsales.com.au/car-review/1609584.aspx)).
Most recently HSV has added a Nurburgring limited edition version of the Astra to its range (more here (http://www.carsales.com.au/car-review/2961147.aspx)). Nevertheless, both models were still essentially lightly modified Astras.
The addition of the Corsa (flagged by then HSV boss John Crennan in May 2007) and Insignia will therefore represent a 'step change' for the specialist vehicle manufacturer. In effect, HSV will become an importer/distributor in its own right.
"The challenge obviously is we've got to support the car's complete parts count for spares and servicing -- where as if you're riding the back of Holden, you only have to do the 'incrementals'. It's a bigger issue and decision to make; to actually support the whole product as opposed to the equivalent," Harding explained.
The added infrastructure also means sales volume expectations will change.
"With Astra, which you could say was incremental our business case was based on around 100-150 per year -- and that worked for us. So that number would have to go up to be able to sell the Corsa... In travelling the road trying to sell HSVs [Commodores] into markets I would say there's no point in doing anything unless you can do 300 [Corsas]."
Harding called the business case for Corsa "tough". Though Insignia's financials aren't any easier, he opined, the higher price point of the midsizer delivered HSV a little more leeway. It would also allow the company to add the car to its range at lower sales volume levels.
"We've shown an interest recently on the Corsa VXR, but we would be on our own to introduce that into Australia so the business case is pretty demanding. But as the second iteration of the VXR treatment in Europe it's more of a VXR than Astra," opined Harding.
"As soon as you get in the down and dirty stuff, of Corsas and Astras -- in the price points where you've got a lot of competitive product -- that makes us interrogate the business decision even more because we obviously want to make money out of it."
According to Harding, HSV's Corsa VXR must sell for less than $30,000 to be acceptable to the marketplace. However, in the HSV boss' 'to market' scenario, the Insignia would have a circa $55,000 pricetag.
"That price point is a little more relaxed. It's a really good car, but it should sell for less than a Clubbie [Clubsport R8]... Probably around the mid-$50s."
"We're evaluating with our networks and research at the moment whether there are the customers at that price that will give us the volume... We could live on a lower volume [than Corsa]," he stated.
Though both products of Opel's special vehicles division, Harding says the two models' futures Down Under are not necessarily linked. The decision of whether one, both or none will go on sale in Australia is based purely on their individual business cases, he said.
So should HSV stalwarts be concerned about the small and medium car momentum? Is the Clayton-based operation at risk of watering down its special vehicle ethos? Harding's message is clear.
"We keep reminding ourselves of our brand pillars which are: performance; driver enjoyment; and 'unique HSV design'...
"That's because when you bring something like Astra VXR into the market, you say 'should we put the HSV brand on that car'? In our meetings it [the new product] has to put a tick in all those three boxes.
"You take any one of those pillars away and we would not put a HSV badge on the vehicle," Harding explained.

[lithium]

links work for me
if it comes down here for $30000 that is a very reasonable price and i would definitely check it out
i doubt they can do it though!

[tuzinski]

The day this is confirmed I'll put a deposit down on a corsa!
They better not change the name to barina vxr!!!

I think this is all just talk and nothing will happen like every other time..

[MatsHolden]

They better not change the name to barina vxr!!!
..

They wouldn't as it wouldn't be linked with Holden any more... However if Holden did bring back the Opel sourced Corsa as the Barina then HSV would probably call it the Barina VXR.

[Shaun]

It Seems that HSV are serous about getting into other markets according to this press release and the one in Motor Magazine Jan 09. And now that Phil Harding is Back in control @ HSV there is a good chance of this happening.

[Calibrated]

we can only hope.

[Huhness]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214719/ford_fiesta_st.html

This will happen before the corsa vxr.

[Wraith]

Definitely good news for anyone wanting one of those cars...

And 'maybe' for the 1st time a HSV vehicle will have a reasonable new purchase price tag on it, unlike the typical rip they usually impose on all their range !

Pity its taken a rough economic climate and slow sales and the risk of going belly up for them to even think of or consider or offer good/competitive pricing...

[Wraith]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214719/ford_fiesta_st.html

This will happen before the corsa vxr.

And a far better choice IMHO too :)

The Fiesta has always been and still is a Worldwide sales success, even in the current economic climate, the factories making them can't keep up with demand !

A hot version like the ones described in the link would be winners for sure...who wouldn't want one of the new shape Fiestas with a 200kw donk :eek:

[USC]

A corsa (VXR) should be less than $24K...its a small car!! unless it comes turbo charged.

[Huhness]

Its Turbo Charged

[Calibrated]

A corsa (VXR) should be less than $24K...its a small car!! unless it comes turbo charged.
quote for epicness.

i cant believe you actually said that.

[SSS_Hoon]

i can believe he said it look who it is LoL.


I too wouldtake the 200kw fiesta over the corsa...

But that all comes down to personal preference i guess.

SSS_Hoon

[d.c.]

Indeed, according to HSV boss Phil Harding the company is actively negotiating on pricing on the two cars -- a naturally aspirated hot hatch and a turbo V6 midsizer.

Doesn't sound like its the real Corsa VXR that they want to bring in.

[rjastra]

Where is there reference to a 200kW Fiesta? more like < 150kw.

[GreyRex]

Any discussion is better than no discussion for me regarding this car and/or the new Fiesta ST.

I would have purchased the Corsa VXR over my SRi Turbo if it was released here, but these things happen

I hope this publicity generates interest in the wider community

[Calibrated]

Doesn't sound like its the real Corsa VXR that they want to bring in.
must be an error. there is no n/a VXR.

[tuzinski]

id like to see a VXR with a 3.2L V6 TURBO

[d.c.]

must be an error. there is no n/a VXR.

Maybe they plan on "badging up" a lesser model??

[hazrd]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214719/ford_fiesta_st.html

This will happen before the corsa vxr.


looks like a yaris with FG XR6 rims

IMO... poo

ill hang on in hope for an Insignia or even a corsa :drool:

[kabel]

The current Fiesta is more appealing.
Rear proportions and lights on the new model are suspect.....just another opinion.

[Wraith]

Where is there reference to a 200kW Fiesta? more like < 150kw.

From the article in the link:

"Top-spec cars even get a pano*ramic glass sunroof and Blue*tooth phone connectivity, using Ford’s new Sync in-car entertainment set-up. The go-faster model also promises to be more practical than ever, thanks to the new Fiesta’s spacious interior. Officially, Ford isn’t announcing plans for a hot version of the next generation, but Auto Express can reveal it will take the wraps off a new range of hi-tech turbocharged direct-injection EcoBoost petrol powerplants at the Detroit Motor Show next week.

The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp. But the ST is likely to get a smaller 1.6-litre unit, making around 180-190bhp. This will put the newcomer on a par with the likes of the 189bhp Corsa VXR. With the supermini’s lightweight construction, the engine should be powerful enough to take the range-topper from 0-60mph in around seven seconds."

275bhp = 200+kw

I'm with SSSHoon and as I said before, I'll take the 200kw Fiesta thanks :D

If the numbers above are true, it'll thump alot of other sports cars out there ! ;)

[kabel]

Surely a 200kw Fiesta weighing around 1100kgs would produce better
0-100km times than "in around seven seconds" ?
Wouldn`t Power/Weight would be better than a GT or an F6
If Ford can sell this car for under 30k it would have to be the performance bargain of the year !!

[dieselhead]

I'd pay $35k for a 205 kW Fiesta! That's madness people, madness! :)

[tuzinski]

i also think HSV should head up OPEL in australia

so there is Holden
then HSV for performance commos and shit
and Opel for all the performance Opels

[dieselhead]

How could they? Opel is a volume manufacturer, despite selling a few hot, spiced up models. HSV sells performance cars, but all due respect, a 1.8 SRi is hardly anything but...

[alts]

OPC is like their sooped up Opel..
HSV is our sooped up Holden..

Am I right?

So would they call it an 'OPC VXR' over there or just a VXR?

:S

[GreyRex]

OPC is like their sooped up Opel..
HSV is our sooped up Holden..

Am I right?

So would they call it an 'OPC VXR' over there or just a VXR?

:S

In Germany etc they're the

OPC Corsa
OPC Astra
OPC Vectra/Insignia etc

in the UK they're
Corsa VXR
Astra VXR etc etc

Here im guessing it would be
HSV Astra VXR
HSV Corsa VXR

[Shaun]

i also think HSV should head up OPEL in australia

so there is Holden
then HSV for performance commos and shit
and Opel for all the performance Opels


OPC is an arm of Opel. HSV Is an arm of Holden. (however the controlling share is owned by Tom Walkinshaw not Holden)

If you read the article HSV are looking to become an importer. Not an Arm of Opel . HSV Will import Preformance models to boost its range in terms of strenght. However they need to be selling volume for this to happen. 300 units for each imported model for it to be viable. The current HSV VXR Astra has sold well but in terms of volume its not been as strong. But the current HSV VXR Astra was never intended to sell in Large Volumes like the Golf GTi or XR5 Turbo Focus.

But the program has been very sucessful in terms of opening new doors and testing the water.

I see that they have said though that if it happens they will be coming with HSV marking everywhere on the car. A move will strengthen the look and feel of it being a HSV product as such. Not that i ever think different of the HSV VXR . I see the Opel Badge and think well its just part of the cars Heritage and history.


The reality of these models coming to Australia are quite strong at this point in time. HSV is under the direction of Phil Harding. An Englishman who was involved in the current HSV VXR Astra being release into australia. HSV have built there business from strenght to strenght over the last 20 years. I think its time HSV take another step into the futre and bring in models that give the brand more depth and scope in The Australian & New Zealand Market. The Insigina VXR should be very capable of taking on the Liberty and R36 Passat in terms of power prefromance and quality.

I think its the right direction for HSV and there future.


Shaun

[USC]

i can believe he said it look who it is LoL.



SSS_Hoon

You are so funny.

[USC]

quote for epicness.

i cant believe you actually said that.

Its my opinion. to be honest, it cost way less to manufacture a small car...dont see why they should cost the same or more than medium cars.

[USC]

I'd pay $35k for a 205 kW Fiesta! That's madness people, madness! :)

front wheel drive...r u crazy??:eek:

[OPC]

A corsa (VXR) should be less than $24K...its a small car!! unless it comes turbo charged.


It is Turbo Charged dumbass



quote for epicness.

i cant believe you actually said that.



i can believe he said it look who it is LoL.




SSS_Hoon




You are so funny.

so funny i laughed my ass off...

[kabel]

so funny i laughed my ass off...

You may now have trouble sitting now!!:dance:

[kabel]

Its my opinion. to be honest, it cost way less to manufacture a small car...dont see why they should cost the same or more than medium cars.

Apply that rational to a Lotus Exige SC then or an Elfin or a BMW 135 or an R32 Golf or an Audi S3 or TTS etc,etc are you trying to say they should all be retailed at $ 24,000-$35,000 ?
You get my vote to be running the Motoring Industry in Australia !!

[Huhness]

Hopefully Ford bring out the Focus RS and Fiesta RS along with all the factory performance accessories!

In the current economy I can't see HSV supporting 2 cars all on their own without Holdens parts catalogue.

[USC]

You may now have trouble sitting now!!:dance:

lol

[USC]

so funny i laughed my ass off...

how do you laugh with your ass? you must have an ass in place of your head..no wonder you are so stupid.

whos give a damn if its turbo charged or not..its still a shopping trolley and I would not pay more than 24K for it.

[Theo]

If Ford bring the RS Focus Expect to pay around $58k...Screw that!!!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/19792/ford-focus-rs-pricing-announced/

By the time you add your options and delivery crap your looking over $65K.

[Huhness]

If Ford bring the RS Focus Expect to pay around $58k...Screw that!!!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/19792/ford-focus-rs-pricing-announced/

By the time you add your options and delivery crap your looking over $65K.
You can't translate the UK price to $AUS.. The XR5 would be $42K otherwise.

[Shaun]

If Ford bring the RS Focus Expect to pay around $58k...Screw that!!!

http://www.caradvice.com.au/19792/ford-focus-rs-pricing-announced/

By the time you add your options and delivery crap your looking over $65K.


You can't translate the UK price to $AUS.. The XR5 would be $42K otherwise.

Thats because your working retail pricing. Holden and Ford would buy the cars alot cheaper as they are both wholesale operations.

[Wraith]

Surely a 200kw Fiesta weighing around 1100kgs would produce better
0-100km times than "in around seven seconds" ?
Wouldn`t Power/Weight would be better than a GT or an F6
If Ford can sell this car for under 30k it would have to be the performance bargain of the year !!


Elsewhere in the article it states low 5's for the 200kw range topper :)

[rjastra]

The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp.
But the ST is likely to get a smaller 1.6-litre unit, making around 180-190bhp.

Do people actually READ?? :) It tells you what the ST will likely receive a 1.6L turbo with 180-190hp (<150kw).

[Wraith]

Apply that rational to a Lotus Exige SC then or an Elfin or a BMW 135 or an R32 Golf or an Audi S3 or TTS etc,etc are you trying to say they should all be retailed at $ 24,000-$35,000 ?
You get my vote to be running the Motoring Industry in Australia !!

Hell yeh kabel, he gets my vote too LOL :D

I'd love to spending only 24-35k for a TTS rather than 90-115k ;)

[OPC]

how do you laugh with your ass? You must have an ass in place of your head..no wonder you are so stupid.

Whos give a damn if its turbo charged or not..its still a shopping trolley and i would not pay more than 24k for it.

my missus can give you some libra pads with wings to help with your period

[Snotty]

my missus can give you some libra pads with wings to help with your period
think you need a tarp

[Calibrated]

how do you laugh with your ass? you must have an ass in place of your head..no wonder you are so stupid.

whos give a damn if its turbo charged or not..its still a shopping trolley and I would not pay more than 24K for it.
uh. so a 911 and a 911 turbo should cost the same, after all, who gives a damn if it has a turbo :rolleyes:


Do people actually READ?? :) It tells you what the ST will likely receive a 1.6L turbo with 180-190hp (<150kw).

i was actually going to point that out yesterday, but cbf. lol.

[Wraith]

Do people actually READ?? :) It tells you what the ST will likely receive a 1.6L turbo with 180-190hp (<150kw).

Yes, rj I understood that part of it - In my posts I was referring to the Fiesta 'range topper' variant which they claim will get the 200kw donk :)

[EL BURITO]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/autoexpressnews/214719/ford_fiesta_st.html

This will happen before the corsa vxr.
it may, but that is being made in Thailand and not Europe

[kabel]

"The sensational new Ford Fiesta ST has broken cover – and Auto Express has the first pictures. With the performance, pace and personality to leave its rivals trailing, the all-new hot hatch promises to raise the bar in the supermini sector.

The blue oval faces stiff competition from models such as the Abarth Grande Punto and Vauxhall’s Corsa VXR, but bosses are aiming to put the Fiesta back at the top of the class.

Our spies have already caught prototypes for the hot Fiesta being put through their paces, and as our exclusive pictures show, it will certainly look the part. The new ST will bring a range of cosmetic additions, including handsome alloy wheels and a spoiler above the rear windscreen. The revised front bumper includes a purposeful air intake and a pair of foglamps, while a diffuser-style back bumper incorporates racy twin tailpipes. Pronounced side sills and lowered suspension also help to provide a more aggressive stance.

Inside, buyers can expect a much more luxurious cabin than offered in the current model, with high-quality soft-touch plastics as well as vastly improved switchgear. The ST will also benefit from supportive sports seats.

Top-spec cars even get a pano­ramic glass sunroof and Blue­tooth phone connectivity, using Ford’s new Sync in-car entertainment set-up. The go-faster model also promises to be more practical than ever, thanks to the new Fiesta’s spacious interior. Officially, Ford isn’t announcing plans for a hot version of the next generation, but Auto Express can reveal it will take the wraps off a new range of hi-tech turbocharged direct-injection EcoBoost petrol powerplants at the Detroit Motor Show next week.

The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp. But the ST is likely to get a smaller 1.6-litre unit, making around 180-190bhp. This will put the newcomer on a par with the likes of the 189bhp Corsa VXR. With the supermini’s lightweight construction, the engine should be powerful enough to take the range-topper from 0-60mph in around seven seconds.

Buyers will also be able to boost their model’s performance using officially sanctioned upgrade packages available from Essex-based engineering firm Mountune. It has developed similar parts for the outgoing ST and the hot Focus. In addition, the flagship Fiesta is set to feature economy-enhancing stop-start technology, while a punchy TDCi diesel version is on the cards, too.

Ford’s chassis experts have been hard at work fine-tuning the hot sup­ermini to ensure it’s entertaining to drive. The brand has a reputation for producing sharp-handling cars, and the lightweight ST is expected to deli­ver unrivalled cornering agility, thanks to its bespoke suspension set-up.

The all-new Fiesta will make its official debut at the Geneva Motor Show in March, and hit dealerships here in October. But fans of the ST will have to wait. It isn’t expected in UK showrooms before 2009. When it does arrive, though, expect a price tag in the region of £15,500."

Yes...we can read, yes the ST is likely to get a smaller 1.6-litre unit, making around 180-190bhp.
Also says......"The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp."

I did not write a "Fiesta ST with 200kw"
I wrote "Surely a 200kw Fiesta weighing around 1100kgs would produce better 0-100km times than "in around seven seconds" ?
Which is what it states above "The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp"
Which is also what Wraith wrote......I think :confused:

Originally Posted by usc http://www.opelaus.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/showthread.php?p=366815#post366815)
how do you laugh with your ass? You must have an ass in place of your head..no wonder you are so stupid.

Whos give a damn if its turbo charged or not..its still a shopping trolley and i would not pay more than 24k for it.

Great to see such witty and friendly banter
between the OpelAus community at this time of the year.
Merry Christmas to Y`all !

Also...your choice not to pay more than 24k for a Corsa VXR .
Although I don`t think the HSV Marketing Department would pay more than 10 cents for your opinion either.....BUT if you can convince them to retail the car for 24k you`ll get my vote .
Oh and convince Audi to sell the "SHOPPING TROLLEY TTS "for the the same 24k and I am sure Wraith will be your friend for life. ;)

[USC]

my missus can give you some libra pads with wings to help with your period

Why are you guys getting so worked up about it?? Who cares??

And also, you can stick those used libra pads in your dirty mouth afterwards.

Snotty: I think you may need a Tarp for your snot problems.

Calibrated: You are comparing a 911 to a Corsa. R u MAD? Even a 911 NA would be better than any Opel or Holden! The Corsa VXR has turbo..so what? It is a front wheel drive and its chassis cant probably handle that power properly.

[rjastra]

Officially, Ford isn’t announcing plans for a hot version of the next generation, but Auto Express can reveal it will take the wraps off a new range of hi-tech turbocharged direct-injection EcoBoost petrol powerplants at the Detroit Motor Show next week.

The line-up will appear across the model range, and includes a 2.0-litre engine producing 275bhp. But the ST is likely to get a smaller 1.6-litre unit, making around 180-190bhp.

This article is from Jan 2008... months before real info on the Fiesta was released or known :) There is no further info released on the ST.

The 2L turbo is in reference to the engines that were released at the detroit motorshow call eCoBoost. Model range = the entire Ford model range.

[Calibrated]

Calibrated: You are comparing a 911 to a Corsa. R u MAD? Even a 911 NA would be better than any Opel or Holden! The Corsa VXR has turbo..so what? It is a front wheel drive and its chassis cant probably handle that power properly.

uh, no.

i was comparing a 911 na to a 911 Turbo. because, you said, who cares if its turbocharged.....

same applies for a standard 1.6 corsa and the VXR Corsa. completely different cars.

[rjastra]

uh, no.

same applies for a standard 1.6 corsa and the VXR Corsa. completely different cars.


No such thing as a "standard" 1.6L. Only 2 x turbo 1.6L available (low and high boost)