Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 kicking some ass...casually

[bornwild]

G'Day,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4

G'Bye


ps. We just heard reports the Datsun lost it's warranty due to unnecessarily using the launch control....:dance::D

[Ice]

Oh man thats HOT

Wraiths not gonna like this ! haha

[rjastra]

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0810_2009_corvette_zr1_vs_porsche_gt2_vs_ferra ri_599_vs_nissan_gtr/index.html

[Ice]

Again, HOT DAMN !

Skyline off the line killed it and then boom it got blown by the Porsche and then outta nowhere the ZR1

[Vectracious]

shit!!! the 'vette is fast!!!! :eek:

*counts until someone starts crying about it being a drag race and not a track race with corners..... :p *

[xplosv57]

*counts until someone starts crying about it being a drag race and not a track race with corners..... :p *

Well i'm pretty sure the Nurburgring has a few corners, and i'm also pretty sure the ZR-1 did a lap time 7 seconds quicker than the GT-R, not bad for a leaf sprung, big HP, rwd, American car!!!

[gslrallysport]

*counts until someone starts crying about it being a drag race and not a track race with corners..... :p *
yeah, but did they said 1.1 corner G's?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek::eek:

[SSS_Hoon]

the ZR-1 is a ugly looking car though aint it, like most of the vettes though have all been the ugly step sister that you keep hidden, but admit u have if asked.


SSS_Hoon

[Vectracious]

Well i'm pretty sure the Nurburgring has a few corners, and i'm also pretty sure the ZR-1 did a lap time 7 seconds quicker than the GT-R, not bad for a leaf sprung, big HP, rwd, American car!!!

has it still got the leaf springs????? thats awesome!

pushrods and leaf springs and faster than the Datsun in a straight line and around the ring!!!! :D :D :D

[Ice]

has it still got the leaf springs????? thats awesome!

pushrods and leaf springs and faster than the Datsun in a straight line and around the ring!!!! :D :D :D

hahaha I love it ! finally the skyline is beaten......

[rjastra]

They are transverse composite leaf springs. They provide the spring medium rather than axle location. That's done by normal control arms

http://image.motortrend.com/f/8543529/112_0402_World_Debut_2005_Chevrolet_Corvette_005z+ 2005_Chevrolet_Corvette+Drivetrain_Sketch.jpg

Nothing like the setup out the back of a Falcon wagon :)

[bornwild]

Guys, the new-gen Corvette was the first car with MRC(magnetic ride control) suspension and no, it don't have leaf springs...only leafsprings are the transverse ones as rjastra said.

[bornwild]

...and yes, it kicks arse :D:D:D:D:D:D

[Wraith]

Ummm, what's all the fuss and so new here ??? LOL

I believe this has already been discussed and stated on the GT-R thread several times, last time BW putting something there a few weeks ago...

I am aware of the new LS9 powered ZR1's 'straight line' performance capability !

Hello, it was me who put up a thread about this car nearly a year ago LOL :D and clearly stated how awesome it would be and that its V8 powerplant was the best ever as far as I'm concerned being a V8 man and fan myself ;)

Just remember though as already stated above by others, the ZR1 is totally awesome in a straight line, it's a 10sec 1/4 mile machine in fact !!! but on a track or loose surface the GT-R will kill it - hands down...

As for this 'launch control' business that keeps coming up, AFAIK it has something to do a certain number of initial production GT-R's out there which may have a problem (there are always teething/development probs with hi-tech new cars) however it's been fixed with later production machines...

Also bare in mind as has been stated sooooooo many times, the GT-R as mighty as it is, is only the BASE MODEL !

When the V-Spec hits the scene, it's going to be a whole different story...this is the model that the top Corvette ZR1 model and top Porker models should really be put up against...;)

[xplosv57]

They are transverse composite leaf springs. They provide the spring medium rather than axle location. That's done by normal control arms

Nothing like the setup out the back of a Falcon wagon :)

Yeah i know, but it just sounds good saying it has leaf springs!!!



Just remember though as already stated above by others, the ZR1 is totally awesome in a straight line, it's a 10sec 1/4 mile machine in fact !!! but on a track or loose surface the GT-R will kill it - hands down...


So how do you explain the ZR-1 doing Nurburgring (one of the toughest tracks out there) 7 seconds faster than the GT-R??

I'd say the 'hands down killing' is being done by the Vette!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o

[bornwild]

Exactly right...and everyone knows that the GTR has 480hp at the wheels so it's flywheel figure is identical if not marginally smaller than the ZR1 :)

:D The V-spec will need to lose some serious weight if it wants to be quick or bang-for-buck. :)

[bornwild]

And Wraith, it's Datsun's policy that you can't use launch control even though it's there....there was an article on Autoblog quoting this from the GTR user manual.

[bornwild]

the ZR-1 is a ugly looking car though aint it, like most of the vettes though have all been the ugly step sister that you keep hidden, but admit u have if asked.


SSS_Hoon

I think that after the GT2 and Gallardo the Vette is one of the prettiest sportscars out there...maybe it's just me

[Vectracious]

I think that after the GT2 and Gallardo the Vette is one of the prettiest sportscars out there...maybe it's just me

nope, I reckon its a looker too - probably because it kind of reminds me of a Ferrari.

[btm]

me too. i love the vette

[Wraith]

Yeah i know, but it just sounds good saying it has leaf springs!!!



So how do you explain the ZR-1 doing Nurburgring (one of the toughest tracks out there) 7 seconds faster than the GT-R??

I'd say the 'hands down killing' is being done by the Vette!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6mEirkQN8o

Steve, what is the ZR1's time at the Nurb. ??? did it do a 7:18 ???

[SSS_Hoon]

the list of times that i have has the ZR1 doing the nurburg in 7.26 but its a factory claimed time, then another one has it at 7.22.4 again a factory claimed time.


SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

Exactly right...and everyone knows that the GTR has 480hp at the wheels so it's flywheel figure is identical if not marginally smaller than the ZR1 :)

:D The V-spec will need to lose some serious weight if it wants to be quick or bang-for-buck. :)

Here we go again with figures spun out of thin air LOL...

GT-R's on dynos so far have produced an avarage of 430bhp at the wheels BW not 480 and don't start pretending you don't know this ;)

Which BTW is an awesome effort since it shows a driveline loss of only 10%, no other AWD is capable of that !

The ZR1 has somewhere between 550-600bhp at the wheels and weighs a few hundred kgs less - you do the simple math - result should be obvious ;)

[SSS_Hoon]

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4769c1746c636.html ZR1

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4717b80e35715.html GTR

SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

the list of times that i have has the ZR1 doing the nurburg in 7.26 but its a factory claimed time, then another one has it at 7.22.4 again a factory claimed time.


SSS_Hoon

So what's the story with the 7secs better than the GT-R ???

Everybody knows the GT-R has posted an official 7:29 followed by another fully documented run at 7:25, that means the ZR1 would've had to have done a 7:18 ???

A sub 7:20 is what we can expect from the V-Spec GT-R...

[SSS_Hoon]

I not sure the fastest i have seen the ZR1 is at 7.22 and i not seen a GTR at 7.25 only 7.29.

but you know forums, its all about ppl spouting shit that they know nothing about just too annoy someone else on the forum LoL.:D

SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4769c1746c636.html ZR1

http://www.fastestlaps.com/car4717b80e35715.html GTR

SSS_Hoon

Interesting info there, ZR1 shown as a low 11sec 1/4 mile - I've read lots of reports suggesting 10's ?? Nurb time shown as 7:26 ??

GT-R Nurb time shown as the 7:29 not the 7:25 ??

If you look at all the other performance numbers it's fair to say that performance wise they're almost evenly matched - love the LS9 and the ZR1 but for such a huge power/weight ratio advantage, it dosn't get that much ahead...

[Wraith]

I not sure the fastest i have seen the ZR1 is at 7.22 and i not seen a GTR at 7.25 only 7.29.

but you know forums, its all about ppl spouting shit that they know nothing about just too annoy someone else on the forum LoL.:D

SSS_Hoon

I'm pretty sure there's a video documented run of the 7:25, I may have even posted it on the GT-R thread...

Taking nothing away from the ZR1 as I love V8's above all others, anyone would expect it to do well with so much power and torque and it's about time we see hi-tech V8's with forced induction in the picture, as alot of people believe V8's are useless... ;)

[lithium]

just watched the youtube video...wow, what a drubbing of the GT-R :eek:

to be honest it reminds me a bit of the first reviews of the original WRX - everyone is raving on about its acceleration and value for money and how you can go hunting V8s and exotics. but later people discovered its just quick off the line and runs out of breath past 100km, while a V8 is still pulling and pulling!

granted these cars are going much faster. but for some reason it reminds me of that :)

[SSS_Hoon]

to me the vid looks staged....:D



SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

just watched the youtube video...wow, what a drubbing of the GT-R :eek:

to be honest it reminds me a bit of the first reviews of the original WRX - everyone is raving on about its acceleration and value for money and how you can go hunting V8s and exotics. but later people discovered its just quick off the line and runs out of breath past 100km, while a V8 is still pulling and pulling!

granted these cars are going much faster. but for some reason it reminds me of that :)

Definitely the case and you are right, but as said even in the vid - that's to be totally expected with the power output numbers of those cars...

It'll be a different story when the V-Spec hits the scene - that should be the variant up against this category, not the current base GT-R, but because of the current reputation of the R35, everyone will want to put it up against anything as it's established itself as the new benchmark :)

As for the Rex, back in the early-mid 90's when it appeared, it was quicker than any other car under 100k, 1/4 mile or longer run ;)

I remember having numerous debates with the 'new gen' 4 pot bridgade always saying that wait til we get a V8 with some modern technology in it, namely forced induction, then we'll see and here's one of that's a standout at last :D

There are the Mercs too, but they don't do one bit as good...

[ROCCO]

Loved that was awesome...but isn't drag race 2 words?? the bloke in the movie said I have only one word to describe these for cars..drag race

[aza28]

love zr1 but would take the GTR anyday of the week - what's the point of having a car that can outsprint any other car once you're travelling at speeds over 120-150km/h. On a public road - what's the point in that - you'll get beaten by the GTR at a set of lights everyday of the week - now where's the fun in that!!!! :) the GTR is also about $250K cheaper then the zr1.

i wonder how the zr1 would perform against the Ford GT - that would be an interesting comparison.

[Wraith]

love zr1 but would take the GTR anyday of the week - what's the point of having a car that can outsprint any other car once you're travelling at speeds over 120-150km/h. On a public road - what's the point in that - you'll get beaten by the GTR at a set of lights everyday of the week - now where's the fun in that!!!! :) the GTR is also about $250K cheaper then the zr1.

i wonder how the zr1 would perform against the Ford GT - that would be an interesting comparison.

Also very true - but in the World of 'ultimate' numbers, they'll always want to highlight the most powerful, the quickest etc. even if in the 'real world' on the street, they won't be able to perform anywhere near the same, but as you've said with a GT-R you won't need to fear much ;)

If that beautiful LS9 powered ZR1 does hit Aust shores, it will indeed be priced around 350k :eek:

hmmm, as much as I love that LS9 engine, I'll wait for GMH to throw it into something, should be way less than that :)

[xplosv57]

So what's the story with the 7secs better than the GT-R ???

Everybody knows the GT-R has posted an official 7:29 followed by another fully documented run at 7:25, that means the ZR1 would've had to have done a 7:18 ???

A sub 7:20 is what we can expect from the V-Spec GT-R...

From Wikipedia (so don't shoot the messenger)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#Production_car.2C_b est_lap_times_.28unmodified.29


Production vehicles
20,832 m (68,350 ft)
7.22.42009
Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Corvette_C6_ZR1)
Jan Magnussen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Magnussen)
October 27 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_27), 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008)
General Motors conducted test [3] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#cite_note-2)[4] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#cite_note-3)

20,832 m (68,350 ft)
7:292009
Nissan GT-R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R)
Toshio Suzuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshio_Suzuki_(driver))
16 April (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/April_16) 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008)
Nissan Motors (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Motors) conducted test,[7] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#cite_note-6)[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#cite_note-7)[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordschleife_fastest_lap_times#cite_note-8) base GTR with stock tires, video confirmed


Non-series/road-legal vehicles

20,832 m
7:25
Nissan GT-R (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R) V-Spec550 hp/1,590 kg AWD
Toshio Suzuki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshio_Suzuki_(driver))
7 May (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_7)2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008)
Autoblog.com 2008-04-08 (http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/08/nissan-gt-r-v-spec-lap-times-stun-observers/)
unofficial time:
Anticipated Production Car Still In Testing; Non-Final Time; Semi-Wet Track

[bornwild]

There you go, the ZR1 is quicker than the GTR V-spec even...and the ZR1 is about US$30,000 more than the GTR...don't know how that transforms to $250k in AU currency, didn't realise our currency was thaaaaaaat shit.

[poita]

There you go, the ZR1 is quicker than the GTR V-spec even...and the ZR1 is about US$30,000 more than the GTR...don't know how that transforms to $250k in AU currency, didn't realise our currency was thaaaaaaat shit.

unofficial time on semi wet track

[bornwild]

unofficial time on semi wet track

shush you :D

[poita]

my calibra does it quicker too, but its an unofficial time

[Wraith]

shush you :D

No need to sush - I could've told you that !!!

The V-Spec has several 'unofficial' times BW including a sub 7:20 ;) and from what I've read all of it's runs so far have been on not so ideal track conditions and with the car's set up still not final or fully sorted...imagine when it is...:eek:

I think Nissan are just waiting for the appropriate time to 'unleash hell' :D

They're most probably waiting for the ZR1 to be fully run and tested as well as other new comers, know what they're all about and then release their vehicle making sure it's superior...

We will know by sometime in the 1st quarter of next year :)

Another point as always the V-Spec pricing here in Aust. will still be over 100k cheaper (approx. 220k) than the LS9 ZR1, if it ever makes it here to begin with...

The currency dosn't directly translate from the U.S price BW - the reason Vettes cost so much here is because they 'are not' sold through dealer networks but by a private 'right hook' conversion company and they then charge a fortune for them !!!

You can buy yourself a brand new previous model ZR1 here in Aust. RHD the price is 270k !!!!!!!!! imagine what they'll want for this new LS9 powered model ;)

l love the new ZR1 too, but at those prices they can keep it !

[bornwild]

We still don't know what the pricing will be for the GTR, do we??...I think it'll be around $170-$200k judging by the american pricing

[aza28]

motor magazine price the ZR1 at AUS$400K (with right hand drive conversion). so at least double and some over the GTR. Americans are lucky, they can pick up a ZR1 for about US$100K. definite "Bang for your Bucks"!

[bornwild]

Most of that is "premium" of getting a car that was not made for the Australian market to the Australian market.

[aza28]

yep. just pointing out that if you want one thats what you gotta pay to import and get right hand drive conversion through Performax International

[bornwild]

I'll consider one...gotta wait for my tax returns...hahahah even made me laugh

[Vectracious]

I'll consider one...gotta wait for my tax returns...hahahah even made me laugh

Rotary is paying for mine.... :rolleyes::p

[d.c.]

We still don't know what the pricing will be for the GTR, do we??...I think it'll be around $170-$200k judging by the american pricing

http://www.carsales.com.au/car-review/2989148.aspx

$150k

Good read I thought and all very nice cars.

If I was offered one, I would take the 599. It's as fast as you could ever want, well built and pretty.

If I wanted a drag car I would take the ZR1.....

....but as an all round car for an average driver in any conditions, wet or dry, good or bad roads I would still take the GTR. I think I would be less likely to end up backwards in the trees in the GTR and that appeals to me.:)

[Wraith]

We still don't know what the pricing will be for the GTR, do we??...I think it'll be around $170-$200k judging by the american pricing

Here we go yet again :)

I posted up the official Nissan Aust. pricing for the GT-R over a month ago LOL...

145-150k + ORC's ! It was ALWAYS speculated to be that price from almost a year ago !

You can keep bringing up and posting up other car types now that your Porkers are dead and buried as much as you want, to try and beat this thing but simple fact is, for that price nothing can ;)

Dosn't surprise me that the new ZR1 will cost up to 400k :eek: :eek: here in Aust.

As I stated in my earlier post, the current model will cost you 270k here :eek:

Seriously, as good as the new ZR1 is, for 400k here in Aust. I think 9/10 people would opt for something else, your in high end exotic car territori with that kind of money !

[Wraith]

Rotary is paying for mine.... :rolleyes::p

And I'm going to get mine by stealing yours :D

[bornwild]

Yes, plus $150k plus ORC plus 'premium'...:)

[Wraith]

Yes, plus $150k plus ORC plus 'premium'...:)

You should have the premium on road with about 168k :) Nothing comes close or can touch it in terms of BFYB in this category and beyond !

Probably the only better in terms of BFYB would be to spend under 50k on either a VE SS or XR6T ;)

That's even 10's of thousands less than an E92 M3 which dosn't even register on the comparo meter with an R35 ;)

[bornwild]

I did say I expect the price to be $170k to $200k :p

[Vectracious]

I did say I expect the price to be $170k to $200k :p

Add another 20K when you have to replace your broken gearbox because you used launch control.

[xplosv57]

Add another 20K when you have to replace your broken gearbox because you used launch control.

LOL i love that, 'The New GT-R has a launch control feature, but you cannot use it otherwise it voids your warranty and can cause severe gearbox damage'!!!

[bornwild]

Oh yeah that's right...I almost forgot about that :D

[bornwild]

You should have the premium on road with about 168k :) Nothing comes close or can touch it in terms of BFYB in this category and beyond !

Probably the only better in terms of BFYB would be to spend under 50k on either a VE SS or XR6T ;)

That's even 10's of thousands less than an E92 M3 which dosn't even register on the comparo meter with an R35 ;)

There's quite a lot cars that are..quite a lot cheaper than the GTR and many times quicker :)

Caterham CSR, Ariel Atom, Lotus Exige GT3 etc..but the thing is it's not about speed with a 'civilised' sports car.

And the GTR does not even come close to the M3 in terms of driving feel and experience....and I know that because every single review I've read says that in BIG bold letters.

Quick=yes, driver experience=none.

Whereas the ZR1, quick=yes, brutal=yes, driver experience=ejaculation, ****ing quick=yes, can use all the cars features without voiding warranty=yes.

:)

[xplosv57]

And the GTR does not even come close to the M3 in terms of driving feel and experience....and I know that because every single review I've read says that in BIGbold letters.

:)

Haven't driven the GT-R, but i can tell you the new M3 definetely is a damn good driver's car, can jump in it and feel comfortable at high speeds quite quickly where other cars take a great deal of getting used to!

May not be as quick or have the AWD traction, but is still worth the little bit extra!

[Wraith]

Whereas the ZR1, quick=yes, brutal=yes, driver experience=ejaculation, ****ing quick=yes, can use all the cars features without voiding warranty=yes.

:)

But can you afford one AND would you actually buy one if you could ;)

Come on here and tell us all you'd spend 400k on one over a GT-R for 170k :D

If so your so full of it :p

The only reason why your on the ZR1 band wagon is because of it's rivalry to the GT-R because you hate it so much for making your beloved 911 turbo extinct ;)

When I first posted up details of the ZR1 and LS9 nearly a year ago you were no where to be found... :rolleyes:

As for drivers opinions, when you've driven both cars yourself, then you can 'try' to make a legitimate and honest claim as to what you think - where are these reviews your reading anyway ??? most I've read put the GT-R not only ahead of the M3 but also M5 and anything else out of the BMW stable and not just in terms of performance but driver thrills too !

We even have a member on this forum who has actually driven one and driven many other exotics too - why don't you ask him for a factual and unbiased opinon - our very own Mr Gman :)

Also this launch control issue is being resolved ATM...later production block vehicles won't have this problem ;)

[Wraith]

Haven't driven the GT-R, but i can tell you the new M3 definetely is a damn good driver's car, can jump in it and feel comfortable at high speeds quite quickly where other cars take a great deal of getting used to!

May not be as quick or have the AWD traction, but is still worth the little bit extra!

That's fair enough and each to his own, but until you've driven one yourself as well as the M3 which you have Steve and then compare the results or your impressions you can't say for sure ;)

I'll bet it would change alot of peoples opinions if they ever got the chance to get behind the wheel - so obvious that alot of the comments here are simply hate and failure to accept what is a superior product...but then such is the World of the car enthusiast :)

[bornwild]

If I had the dosh for a GTR I'd most certainly buy a ZR1 :)

[MatsHolden]

LOL i love that, 'The New GT-R has a launch control feature, but you cannot use it otherwise it voids your warranty and can cause severe gearbox damage'!!!

Wasn't that the same as on the M3's? Use it a certain number of times and bye bye warranty?

[bornwild]

Yeap but the GTR you can't use it at all...lol

[MatsHolden]

Yeap but the GTR you can't use it at all...lol

Brilliant idea.

[Wraith]

Yeap but the GTR you can't use it at all...lol

Will you stop talking crap ! :p

You can use it, the ecu counts or logs the number times it is used...

This is a feature of alot of other car types to ! in fact most newer car ecu's log everything you do, even if they sense re-maps etc. !!!

Lots of BMW 135i owners finding that out the hard way ;)

What's happened in the GT-R's case are 'some' cases of unreliability discovered after release, that's instigated Nissan to advise against it's use beyond a certain number of times, (20) however they're 'beefing' it up and newer build cars won't have the problem :)

[Wraith]

If I had the dosh for a GTR I'd most certainly buy a ZR1 :)

If you were living in the U.S I'd have to agree, but how exactly do you justify what you've said above here in Aust.

If you could afford a GT-R you'd need 170k for a ZR1 probably 400k...

I'd say if you able to afford a GT-R only, your choices would be limited to vehicles south of 200k, if you could afford a ZR1 in Aust. I'd say you would be someone able to afford a Ferrari or Lambo as you'd obviously be in the 1/2 million dollar market and I don't think you'd go for the GM product ;)

[poita]

ZR1 is on ep2 season 12 of top gear, d/l it now :)

[Wraith]

ZR1 is on ep2 season 12 of top gear, d/l it now :)

It starts soon on our local TV schedule - I'll just wait for it :)

[poita]

UK top gear Ange, not the Aus one

[Wraith]

UK top gear Ange, not the Aus one

Yes, I know that's what you meant :)

Starts here in Melb. on Nov. 24th - so 2nd episode should be Dec. 1st not that far away :)

[poita]

season 11 still hasnt aired here.

technically season 12 is the second half of season 11.
so we will get that first, last night would be episode 8

[bornwild]

Don't know about you Ange, but if I ever had the money for a $200k car I'm sure I'd have the money for a $400-500k car also.

Anyone who buys a $200k car but can't afford to live a '$200k car lifestyle' is out of his/her mind...

But anyhow, I'm pretty sure I read on Autoblog where they cited the GTR user manual and said that you can't use launch control...at all!

With the BMWs it's 6-10 times in-between services I think?!

[rjastra]

Yes, I know that's what you meant :)

Starts here in Melb. on Nov. 24th - so 2nd episode should be Dec. 1st not that far away :)

That's LAST season. We wont see season 12 until well into next year.

[Wraith]

Don't know about you Ange, but if I ever had the money for a $200k car I'm sure I'd have the money for a $400-500k car also.

Anyone who buys a $200k car but can't afford to live a '$200k car lifestyle' is out of his/her mind...

But anyhow, I'm pretty sure I read on Autoblog where they cited the GTR user manual and said that you can't use launch control...at all!

With the BMWs it's 6-10 times in-between services I think?!

Well then you don't know about me LOL :D :p

Because I can tell you, ' if ' I could afford a 50k or 100k or 200k or whatever price point car, for me it would be near the limit, I'd probably have a total budget of 10-15k over that to take care of associated costs to justify its purchase and could certainly not stretch to 2 or 3 times as much !

That's like ATM for eg. I've planned for a possible 80-110k purchase, my budget could stretch to 10-15k over that, but I'll be using that to finance insurance, reg. and some other goodies on that new car over the 1st few years without breaking the bank or my personal budget ;)

You just can't come along and claim that because I or anyone else could afford a 100k car, we could also afford a 200-300k car...also there are people out there who do buy and own 500k cars but live out of caravans or rent a flat, again you can't claim that these people are out of their mind, that's the lifestyle they choose so that they can enjoy their passion and whatever makes them happy - their choice and each to their own mate ;)

I'll have to check the GT-R Blog on your launch control claim, I've never heard or read anything that suggests what you've said in your posts !

What I've read is that it's usage is limited to 20 times and this is something that has surfaced recently, because of some reliability issues and it's only affected a few cars, it's not an across the board thing.

Would be strange if it were in user manuals as Nissan was actively advertising the launch control the whole time on both the cars development and subsequent release to market and afterwards as well...

Also AFAIK there's no such thing as 6-10 times for BMW launch control usage, in fact I don't think any BMW models have a dedicated launch control feature like the GT-R and some others...

What I was talking about is 'user activity logging' by modern ecu's !

All BMW 3.0ltr TT powered vehicles have this in their latest ecu's !

You play or foil with it in any way it logs it and then reveals all to the service technicians which = bye bye warranty !!!

So much for your picking on the GT-R in this respect - alot of other car types are also handicapped in this way !

Reason for this is obvious, World wide the BMW 3.0ltr TT equipped cars have suffered numerous engine component related breakdowns, due mostly to people modding and thrashing, this has led BMW to try and catch out cases where the owners are responsible, so as to cut warranty costs on their part, which is fair enough :cool:

[Wraith]

That's LAST season. We wont see season 12 until well into next year.

Ah, is that what it is - only saw the add last night after the TGA episode and assumed it was the latest season...:)

[bornwild]

All M models have launch control ;)

[xplosv57]

Also AFAIK there's no such thing as 6-10 times for BMW launch control usage, in fact I don't think any BMW models have a dedicated launch control feature like the GT-R and some others...

Reason for this is obvious, World wide the BMW 3.0ltr TT equipped cars have suffered numerous engine component related breakdowns, due mostly to people modding and thrashing, this has led BMW to try and catch out cases where the owners are responsible, so as to cut warranty costs on their part, which is fair enough :cool:


All M models have launch control ;)

Yeah from E46 M3 (SMG II) all the auto M cars have had launch control, not 100% sure how many times it can be used in a certain period of time but the number 10 sticks clear in my mind, there were a few warranty cases in the past from the E46 with it being used too many times in one period of time.

Haven't heard much about the 3.0 tt issues, been reliable so far here in OZ, most people here tend to keep them stock cos they go well as is!!

[Wraith]

Yeah from E46 M3 (SMG II) all the auto M cars have had launch control, not 100% sure how many times it can be used in a certain period of time but the number 10 sticks clear in my mind, there were a few warranty cases in the past from the E46 with it being used too many times in one period of time.

Haven't heard much about the 3.0 tt issues, been reliable so far here in OZ, most people here tend to keep them stock cos they go well as is!!

Ok, so if the E46 did/does have a launch control feature and if it can only be used 10 times overall or between services or whatever, how does that make it or BMW any better than the GT-R's launch control restrictions ???

Obvious to me BW is on a one way hate campaign towards this new GT-R... :rolleyes:

Anyways, as for the 3.0ltr TT engine reliabilty here in Australia Steve - that's because we here are behind the rest of the World in getting and modding them, that's why probs havn't showed up yet, just give it some time !!! ;)

I predict the 135i will be the future VL turbo for the future generation of dickhead hoons, it's just a matter of time as in decades to come, they will be dirt cheap to buy, just like VL's nowadays...

I'm keeping a close eye on a few Aust. 135i tuning projects going on ATM to see the outcomes, in terms of reliability, longevity and warranty or dealer 'pick up' issues ;)

As you know, I've been a member and spending alot of time over the past 6 or 7 months - and around 700 posts there already:) - on the Worldwide BMW 1 series forum and there are numerous engine failure occurrences that have happened O/S...

As already stated, this has prompted BMW to release new ecu software which logs everything you do concerning the engines operating parameters !

And it's proving difficult to bypass by all tuners ATM...some claim they have, but then there are numerous owners who claim, it's not the case...

In the U.S this caused such problems, that their biggest 'factory backed' BMW tuner 'DINAN' who is a company that actually offers warranty on their engine mods and have an association with BMW have decided to pull alot of their BMW 3.0 TT tuning off the market !

There seem to some small tuning routes you can safely take, eg: SST but the more potent ones leave you open to nullifying your warranty...

[bornwild]

It's 10 times between service intervals :)

BTW, the skyline production has stopped lol

[xplosv57]

It's 10 times between service intervals :)

BTW, the skyline production has stopped lol

Yeah knew the number 10 was important regarding the launch control, i remember a car with almost 100 launch control starts....

Wonder how many launch control starts were done before the gearbox shat itself on that GT-R????

[Wraith]

It's 10 times between service intervals :)

BTW, the skyline production has stopped lol

So 10 times between service intervals makes it acceptable to you ??? hahaha what a turn coat :D

Now is it Skyline or GT-R production that's stopped ??? and what is the reason for this ??? :)

BTW you do know Nissan will have the V-Spec on the production lines in January '09 don't you ??? :D

[Wraith]

Yeah knew the number 10 was important regarding the launch control, i remember a car with almost 100 launch control starts....

Wonder how many launch control starts were done before the gearbox shat itself on that GT-R????

The trans that have had probs in the GT-R suffered right from the beginning !

Then there are the great majority out there that have been 'launched' countless times with no problems at all !

As previously stated, but yes must keep repeating for some, :D it's a random thing...

Oh BTW what happened to those poor BMW owners who used their launch control more than 10 times between services ?? :D loss of warranty... :cool:

[xplosv57]

The trans that have had probs in the GT-R suffered right from the beginning !

Then there are the great majority out there that have been 'launched' countless times with no problems at all !

As previously stated, but yes must keep repeating for some, :D it's a random thing...

Oh BTW what happened to those poor BMW owners who used their launch control more than 10 times between services ?? :D loss of warranty... :cool:

Relax it was a legit question, i'd seriously like to know how many times it was used before the gearbox broke....

Loss of warranty only covers the components put under stress from using the launch control feature, have had 2 from memory that were knocked back, both for differential noise, haven't seen anything drastically fail!

[bornwild]

10x better than 0x :p

As for loss of warranty, only on the gearbox :) Not sure it's the same deal with Nissan...

[Calibrated]

GTR V-Spec specs (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

[Apex]

An importer has a ZR1 in Auckland ready for RHD conversion, so hot! Way nicer than a Nissan GTR IMHO.

Can I add, a GTR would be a lot quicker around the ring in most hands, the ZR1 would require some very talented driving to keep it tame.

GTR is launched here threw NZ dealers soon apparently, Price to be confirmed. There are quite a few private imports around.

http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m225/tteett/374.jpg
http://i105.photobucket.com/albums/m225/tteett/373.jpg

[Vectracious]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/Vectracious/Opelaus/zr1tgdrift.jpg

Seeing that makes me a lot more excited than the GT-R

[SSS_Hoon]

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i68/Vectracious/Opelaus/zr1tgdrift.jpg

Seeing that makes me a lot more excited than the GT-R


really are you sure?

I dont see it.

As much as i love a RWD car that just does not do anything for me, although there have been a few pics that i have seen and i thought oh yeah its not that bad, then others just scream ugly red headed stepchild that needs a good hiding.

But i guess that comes from growing up with a ford biased family and Stangs leading the way i guess.

SSS_Hoon

[Vectracious]

really are you sure?

Yep, because you wouldn't be able to do that in a GT-R (not without difficulty anyway) - and if you did it would probably void the warranty :p

/old joke

[SSS_Hoon]

yeah true i guess.

That would be one downside of owning a AWD/4WD car i guess.

Remember the fun i had in my VL with about 1/10th the power of the vette LoL.

SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

Relax it was a legit question, i'd seriously like to know how many times it was used before the gearbox broke....

Loss of warranty only covers the components put under stress from using the launch control feature, have had 2 from memory that were knocked back, both for differential noise, haven't seen anything drastically fail!

LOL Steve I'm completely relaxed in my responses I think, considering the constant crap from BW (and he never ceases LOL ) and how many times the same point or facts need to be repeated...

As said in the case of the GT-R trans problems, it has been a random thing with a minority of cars only, in some of those cases, it's been a shutdown of the electronics causing the problems rather than actual component failures...

[Wraith]

really are you sure?

I dont see it.

As much as i love a RWD car that just does not do anything for me, although there have been a few pics that i have seen and i thought oh yeah its not that bad, then others just scream ugly red headed stepchild that needs a good hiding.

SSS_Hoon

I kind of agree with you on the above...

I say kind of, because I'm old school and loved the high power RWD cars, especially little things with V8's in them like my old XU1...so can relate to the fun with that kind of set up...

But after having driven something like the new Audi TTS with AWD and automated manual trans - I'm sold - it's definitely the way ahead ;)

[bornwild]

Ange, you know what the only reason I hate the GTR with passion is?

The kinds of comments and fanboism I've seen from a lot of the press and forums etc. I don't mean you Ange, you're factual in your liking. But yeah it's just that...and Nissan has been doing everything in their power to feed them...

Whereas when the ZR1 came out, the people said it simply "it's quick, it's light, it's got a massive engine with massive wheels and it's a corvette" they didn't go out saying "ow pwnzorz we got a Porsche killer pwnzrz we rok our joxerz" like everything about the GTR has been...It's got to do with the class of a car, and all that has devalued the GTR.

If I was a millionaire I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in a Corvette ZR1 but would be very much to be seen in a GTR. :)

[glider]

If I was a millionaire I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in a Corvette ZR1 but would be very much to be seen in a GTR. :)

I'm a big fan of the gtr, but your last comment I have to actually agree with. maybe not ashamed but you know what i mean

[Jerram]

well if I were a millionaire I don't know that I would like to be driving the next model up from the mainstay of the azn/boy racer scene. The R35 may be a good car but it's hardly classy. I'd put more money on the millionaires going for R8s, Astons and 911 Turbos.

[Wraith]

Ange, you know what the only reason I hate the GTR with passion is?

The kinds of comments and fanboism I've seen from a lot of the press and forums etc. I don't mean you Ange, you're factual in your liking. But yeah it's just that...and Nissan has been doing everything in their power to feed them...

Whereas when the ZR1 came out, the people said it simply "it's quick, it's light, it's got a massive engine with massive wheels and it's a corvette" they didn't go out saying "ow pwnzorz we got a Porsche killer pwnzrz we rok our joxerz" like everything about the GTR has been...It's got to do with the class of a car, and all that has devalued the GTR.

If I was a millionaire I wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in a Corvette ZR1 but would be very much to be seen in a GTR. :)


That's cool BW, as you know - I do know what your on about ;)

If anyone knows your chain yanking tactics it's me LOL, I'm just yanking back :D

The Nissan/Porsche rivalry/propaganda is not new or not just happening now with the R35 though...

AFAIK it's been raging ever since the R34 model !

The R34 was the first GT-R really pitted against some of the best Porsches, but it wasn't Nissan doing it, it was journos and car mags and tuning houses from around the World doing it, so much so that people/GT-R buyers came to expect any new Godzilla to be able to topple some of Europes finest.

No surprise then that Nissan 'benchmarked' the new R35 to be able to beat the 911 turbo and they succeeded, afterall at the end of the day, it's all about business and if you have a good product or the real mcoy or what people want it'll sell, truth be told - they did a good job of this...

The ZR1 has always been a great sports car that the U.S have used for decades to hold their heads up high amongst the Worlds best and this new one continues its legacy in an awesome manner...I've always liked the ZR1 especially the LT5 powered model from decades ago ;)

Also I too have stated on here before a similar frame of mind as yourself and glider have mentioned and ie: I too would be reluctant to buy a GT-R even if I could afford one, because of all the negative or unwanted attention/abuse you'd cop with one !

Did you guys catch the last episode of TGA last Monday night ?? they had the R35 on and drove it around, proclaimed it was fantastic, best bang for buck, lots of driver thrills, etc. etc. BUT every hoon/dickhead and his dog out there, even with pissy shit boxes will hassle you for a drag - not something I'd want at all !

As mentioned numerous times, all I'm doing is giving kudos where they're deserved in terms of outstanding cars or vehicle achievements and the R35 is the standout of the last 12 months, no doubt on that one and as is the case when such a vehicle comes along, there will always be controversy, because the defeated never take it lightly...

I also think all millionaires wouldn't even look at a GT-R, they'd just go straight to the top which for them would be the most expensive simply because they can afford it...

However, millionaire car enthusiasts are buying them, probably just to complete their collections as I'm sure they would appreciate it's performance, regardless of heritage/brand :)

[rjastra]

Nissan GTR - series 2 (i wonder if it has a "series 2" badge on the back) :)

http://wot.motortrend.com/6350904/auto-news/nissan-reportedly-bumps-up-power-and-price-on-2009-gt-r-in-japan/index.html

[rusole21]

It's 10 times between service intervals :)

BTW, the skyline production has stopped lol
Do you hate all cars that have fan boys? If so you dont like many cars. Astras included. FYI production has stopped on the new M3 CSL. Also the new RS6 audi is supposedly the last of the RS lines for a while. The reason for this is because of the financial situation of the world. But im sure you knew that. Know everything else...

[bornwild]

1. There is no new M3 CSL.
2. RS6? They'll probably build a lighter car next time around delivering the same performance, who knows.

And no, I only hate cars who have dickhead fanboys behind them. And I'm yet to see an Astra fanboy.

[poita]

techincally its a VXR, but is shaun not a classic example :p

[rjastra]

Initial estimates of the price of the GTR VSPEC are out. They are expecting a price close to twice that (in the UK) of the "normal" GTR.

[bornwild]

Initial estimates of the price of the GTR VSPEC are out. They are expecting a price close to twice that (in the UK) of the "normal" GTR.

lol

[Wraith]

Initial estimates of the price of the GTR VSPEC are out. They are expecting a price close to twice that (in the UK) of the "normal" GTR.

No surprises there...

From 12 months ago, the V-Spec pricing was put at - at least 50% more than the base model, main 3 reasons being the extended use of carbon fibre panels (as we all know not cheap) and mega dollar ceramic brakes and full titanium exhaust...

Regardless though, the V-Spec will still cost only a fraction of the cost of all other supercars it will demolish, just like the base model GT-R !!!

Once again, mission accomplished for Nissan ;)

[immenotu]

Regardless though, the V-Spec will still cost only a fraction of the cost of all other supercars it will demolish, just like the base model GT-R !!!


If the V-Spec is twice the cost of the base model, it will be around $300-340k in oz. Thats easily into Porsche money. A new 911 Turbo is $360k.

True it will outperform the 911 Turbo, but its definitely not at a fraction of the cost!!!

[aza28]

If the V-Spec is twice the cost of the base model, it will be around $300-340k in oz. Thats easily into Porsche money. A new 911 Turbo is $360k.

True it will outperform the 911 Turbo, but its definitely not at a fraction of the cost!!!

i wouldn't categorise a 911 turbo as a supercar - just my opinion. when someone refers to a supercar, i think of Enzo Ferarri, Bugatti Veyron, Kornisegg CCX, SLR Maclaren, Porsche GT, Ford GT, Pagani Zonda or similar kinds and then to a lesser extent, Lambo's, ferarri's, Porsche GT2. Brand new, i don't see one of these coming in at less than $500K. So at $300K for V-spec - even at $350K, its still significantly cheaper.

Depends what its performance is like and the rest of it but i probably wouldn't buy one if i had the money - i'd be looking elsewhere. I would on the otherhand buy a GTR and mod the crap out of it for fun!! :D

[Wraith]

If the V-Spec is twice the cost of the base model, it will be around $300-340k in oz. Thats easily into Porsche money. A new 911 Turbo is $360k.

True it will outperform the 911 Turbo, but its definitely not at a fraction of the cost!!!


Correct as aza has said ;)

911 turbo is the base GT-R models rival and is demolished by that variant !

V-Spec will destroy the likes of the GT2 and many others hovering around the $1million dollar mark and as mentioned costs a fraction as much as those cars ;)

BTW info I have puts Aust. pricing at no where near twice as much as the base model, it'll be around 240k tops ! :)

And aza, could you just imagine even a base GT-R with the crap modded out of it - total domination :eek:

[SSS_Hoon]

damm 240k for a V Spec, decisions decisions as that is about R8 or RS6 Avant prices...


Will a baby seat fit in the back of a GT-R V-Spec Wraith?

SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

damm 240k for a V Spec, decisions decisions as that is about R8 or RS6 Avant prices...


Will a baby seat fit in the back of a GT-R V-Spec Wraith?

SSS_Hoon

LOL re: babe seat, of course it will :)

FYI Audi R8 is 270 + ORC's or 304k on road ! yes hard choice as the Audi is one of the best looking sports cars around...

[SSS_Hoon]

yeah i know it sure is the best looking out there that is for sure.

I still think i would take the R8 even for the xtra dosh at this point in time, but will wit and see what the V-Spec actually looks like and goes like.

SSS_Hoon

[bornwild]

So that means the V-spec could potentially be selling for $400k in AU?

That's a joke, right?

[Wraith]

yeah i know it sure is the best looking out there that is for sure.

I still think i would take the R8 even for the xtra dosh at this point in time, but will wit and see what the V-Spec actually looks like and goes like.

SSS_Hoon

I would too - after seeing the Audi R8 up close and personal, if I had the money I'd buy one for sure !!!

I think it's one of those cars that possesses a timeless beauty and for 300k comparatively speaking, there's no match for it in that price range, not in looks anyway, eg: you'd still have 60 or 70k change compared to a 911 turbo and the Porker is an ugly duckling compared to the Audi and the R8 can spank a 911 too :D

And have no doubt, the V-Spec will go like the devil himself :)

[Wraith]

So that means the V-spec could potentially be selling for $400k in AU?

That's a joke, right?

The way I work those numbers above, I arrive at approx. 270k on road for a V-Spec ;)

[SSS_Hoon]

yeah the R8 is deff a awesome car in all aspects, 11ty times better looking then any porker will ever be.

i was thinking that the V-Spec would be under 300k also they have to keep it cheap, as the way i see it ppl that are looking at cars in that price range are after the normal cars, they might take a look at the GTR and take it for drive but they would still opt for the normal cars (audi, merc, porker etc etc) as they know them, and the ppl they hang around with give them more credit then a Datsun. So the want to stay up with the jones's so to speak and not give of the impression that they are a bogan LoL.

If its too high then they wont get the up and comers into that bracket that can afford the higher end cars that would normally go say HSV FPV but want something more.

Did any of that make any damm sense at all, i hope so as i cannot be bothere to re-read it or type it.

SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

yeah the R8 is deff a awesome car in all aspects, 11ty times better looking then any porker will ever be.

i was thinking that the V-Spec would be under 300k also they have to keep it cheap, as the way i see it ppl that are looking at cars in that price range are after the normal cars, they might take a look at the GTR and take it for drive but they would still opt for the normal cars (audi, merc, porker etc etc) as they know them, and the ppl they hang around with give them more credit then a Datsun. So the want to stay up with the jones's so to speak and not give of the impression that they are a bogan LoL.

If its too high then they wont get the up and comers into that bracket that can afford the higher end cars that would normally go say HSV FPV but want something more.

Did any of that make any damm sense at all, i hope so as i cannot be bothere to re-read it or type it.

SSS_Hoon

Yeh, that makes sense and I think your pretty much on the money, I too suggested a similar thing earlier on :)

I believe that in the case of the rich, only true car enthusiasts would ever consider a GT-R and it would be an add on to their collection :)

On the U.S GT-R forums I prowl on, alot of guys there who own the new R35 also own Ferraris,' Porkers, Corvettes etc.