Parental Control - Ford

[digifish]

This car is now PG17 :) , this will be interesting to watch...

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=57475&vf=12&IsPgd=0

...a whole industry of eBay devices to reset the ECU is about to appear :)

[SSS_Hoon]

heards this on the radio this morning i think that its a good idea although the 130kph is too high should be set according to the speed restrition of their license.

And hooked up to a GSM network so it sends a msg when its disconected or altered in anyway.

The limiting the stero volume is a tad much though LoL

SSS_Hoon

[Corsa_Rob]

Very interesting, will also be interesting if it is adopted out here as well.

[digifish]

Very interesting, will also be interesting if it is adopted out here as well.

It would probably be more useful if the parents were automatically alerted by SMS if the car was speeding by more than 10 km/hr based on GPS data....and goes into a 60 km/hr max limp-home mode until the parents reset it :)

Better still speed limit -10 km/hr mode :P

A system of behavioral control needs immediate consequences of negative behaviors and to reward good behaviors. The current system does neither.

digifish

[Vectracious]

Brittany Hawthorne, 17, another Southfield-Lathrup senior, said there may be emergency situations where she'd have to drive more than 80, possibly to accelerate to avoid a crash.


yes, because you need to drive at 80mph quite regularly to avoid crashes..... :rolleyes: I think the rate that teens kill themselves driving a car with no restrictions is a lot higher than the ones that need to drive at 130km/h to avoid accidents...

I think its a good idea - of course when I was 18 I would have complained about it too - but then again, my first car struggled to get to 130 - so my olds were ahead of their time.

[digifish]

yes, because you need to drive at 80mph quite regularly to avoid crashes..... :rolleyes: I think the rate that teens kill themselves driving a car with no restrictions is a lot higher than the ones that need to drive at 130km/h to avoid accidents...

I think its a good idea - of course when I was 18 I would have complained about it too - but then again, my first car struggled to get to 130 - so my olds were ahead of their time.

You know, this could be a great marketing stunt by the auto makers, but this system on cheap new car (Ford Fiesta with ESC, ABS & 20 airbags) and parents will buy one to get the parental control...rather than buying a 2nd hand car.

digifish

[Calibrated]

sometimes i think the hippies were right on a few things....

[Vectracious]

You know, this could be a great marketing stunt by the auto makers, but this system on cheap new car (Ford Fiesta with ESC, ABS & 20 airbags) and parents will buy one to get the parental control...rather than buying a 2nd hand car.


Yep - makes a lot of sense - customised keys have been around for years now (albeit on the luxo's) - the technology would be very cheap to put into any model.

[Wraith]

This sort of thing has been on the cards for years !

That's why Countries like Japan have had the 180km/h speed limiter (and until recently power restrictions) built into their cars for decades !

Will eventually be a sophisticated hard to get rid of GPS satellite based system I think and it'll eventually be implemented everywhere...with the current and on-going worsening younger driver accident record, it forces authorities to take action like this !

I agree with Pete and so will everybody else here in 15 or 20 years time or longer - us older folk have been there done that, but somehow these days, younger drivers (a great majority not all) are worse than ever :rolleyes:

[SSS_Hoon]

the japan power thing was only a gentlemens agreement was nothing set in stone.

The cars had more power the makers just said they were 206 to keep with the agreement.

I think that all cars here should also have the 180 speed limiter in them.

Hell my car has one and it not botherd me once.

SSS_Hoon

[Black Nugget]

allright idea but a couple of issues

a) how does it solve irresponsible suburban behavior

b) i think this is reminiscent of the governments crappy perspective...lets solve young driver deaths with speed cameras and restrictios rather than actually trying to solve the real issue of inexperience and no knowledge on what to do in emergency situations

[Vectracious]

allright idea but a couple of issues

a) how does it solve irresponsible suburban behavior

b) i think this is reminiscent of the governments crappy perspective...lets solve young driver deaths with speed cameras and restrictios rather than actually trying to solve the real issue of inexperience and no knowledge on what to do in emergency situations

a) idiots can still get their car above 130km/h on suburban roads

b) driver training is still important (and not enough is done in this country) - but I don't think that this was promoted as being the be all and end all to solving young driver deaths. But as a parent, I would guess you would feel a lot more secure knowing that there is some restrictions to the car when the kids are driving it. yeah 130km/h is still quick, but it's not 160km/h or 200 km/h - speeds your povo pack Commodore and Falcon can reach very easily.

As an example

when I was a P plater - I had a shitty VK commodore which as I mentioned before couldn't get to 130 without a lot of difficulty - Dad had VX Berlina - one day on a trip down to Philip Island, I took the VX - and got it to I think it was 180 or so.

Was it ****ing stupid when I look back at it now? - yes.

Was it ****ing stupid at the time - no I was a legend because I'd beaten a mates PB by about 10km/h.

I'm lucky my dad doesnt read this forum because I reckon know even 10 years later if he knew I did that as an inexperienced 19 year old driver.

[iNiff]

a) idiots can still get their car above 130km/h on suburban roads

b) driver training is still important (and not enough is done in this country) - but I don't think that this was promoted as being the be all and end all to solving young driver deaths. But as a parent, I would guess you would feel a lot more secure knowing that there is some restrictions to the car when the kids are driving it. yeah 130km/h is still quick, but it's not 160km/h or 200 km/h - speeds your povo pack Commodore and Falcon can reach very easily.

As an example

when I was a P plater - I had a shitty VK commodore which as I mentioned before couldn't get to 130 without a lot of difficulty - Dad had VX Berlina - one day on a trip down to Philip Island, I took the VX - and got it to I think it was 180 or so.

Was it ****ing stupid when I look back at it now? - yes.

Was it ****ing stupid at the time - no I was a legend because I'd beaten a mates PB by about 10km/h.

I'm lucky my dad doesnt read this forum because I reckon know even 10 years later if he knew I did that as an inexperienced 19 year old driver.


I had my VH @ 140 ... lolz


but you're right. This isn't so much of a problem solver but a device that gives peace of mind.

[Vectracious]

LOL - I didnt finish my post....

If dad knew what I had done even now - 10 years later - he would have no hesitation ripping me a new arsehole.... :D

[Black Nugget]

a) idiots can still get their car above 130km/h on suburban roads

b) driver training is still important (and not enough is done in this country) - but I don't think that this was promoted as being the be all and end all to solving young driver deaths. But as a parent, I would guess you would feel a lot more secure knowing that there is some restrictions to the car when the kids are driving it. yeah 130km/h is still quick, but it's not 160km/h or 200 km/h - speeds your povo pack Commodore and Falcon can reach very easily.

As an example

when I was a P plater - I had a shitty VK commodore which as I mentioned before couldn't get to 130 without a lot of difficulty - Dad had VX Berlina - one day on a trip down to Philip Island, I took the VX - and got it to I think it was 180 or so.

Was it ****ing stupid when I look back at it now? - yes.

Was it ****ing stupid at the time - no I was a legend because I'd beaten a mates PB by about 10km/h.

I'm lucky my dad doesnt read this forum because I reckon know even 10 years later if he knew I did that as an inexperienced 19 year old driver.

I completely agree with what you say Vectracious, removing the ability for the good old speed test will definately erradicate a few deaths in some ways and ford should be praised for that, however I think options taken by the media and governments alike focus on ease and revenue raising rather than long term driver quality improvements

[Vectracious]

I think options taken by the media and governments alike focus on ease and revenue raising rather than long term driver quality improvements

Unfortunately revamping driver training costs money and time and requires effort...

much easier to lower a speed limit and order another 100 speed camera's to put up around the place - plus the pretty penny that rolls in from the revenue errrr "safety cameras" is just perfect for bumping up the super or getting a Caprice rather than a povo Calais or Fairmont Ghia.

[rjastra]

Surely the best option would be to deadlock all the doors except the drivers door. Accident rates for P Platers go up as the number of passengers increases. So, keep the passengers out :)

[Wraith]

Surely the best option would be to deadlock all the doors except the drivers door. Accident rates for P Platers go up as the number of passengers increases. So, keep the passengers out :)

That's a fact indeed, but how do you control/enforce it ??

I see green P platers all the time on weekend nights with their cars full of people...they simply will not abide by set laws :rolleyes:

[iNiff]

That's a fact indeed, but how do you control/enforce it ??

I see green P platers all the time on weekend nights with their cars full of people...they simply will not abide by set laws :rolleyes:

p platers limited to 2 seaters? finally some sales for smart.

[Dave]

Wont stop deaths man. Hell even a grosel unerpowerd 1.2l corolla can still do 180k with a run up. I didnt beleive it my self untill i experienced it, but sure enuff, once you put ya foot down 3 days later it got there :p

My 1.6l astra would still aproach the 200 mark. ( run up is a must ) hell my 1.8l 04 astra would do crap like that with ease. Even this crapy old commonwhore im driveing now will do it without even thinking twice, hell itl even go further, 245ish ( t5 manaul standard diff gearing )

But the point is 200k of 130k or even 100k into a hard object will still kill.... Even a 60k head on, will equate to a 120k impact.

The only way to stop the road toll would be to take the driver out of the equation. Even then, people will still find way's to hurt them selfes, its in our nature.

[iNiff]

Wont stop deaths man. Hell even a grosel unerpowerd 1.2l corolla can still do 180k with a run up. I didnt beleive it my self untill i experienced it, but sure enuff, once you put ya foot down 3 days later it got there :p

My 1.6l astra would still aproach the 200 mark. ( run up is a must ) hell my 1.8l 04 astra would do crap like that with ease. Even this crapy old commonwhore im driveing now will do it without even thinking twice, hell itl even go further, 245ish ( t5 manaul standard diff gearing )

But the point is 200k of 130k or even 100k into a hard object will still kill.... Even a 60k head on, will equate to a 120k impact.

The only way to stop the road toll would be to take the driver out of the equation. Even then, people will still find way's to hurt them selfes, its in our nature.

you can stop the driver but not the pedestrian.

[Ice]

LOL - I didnt finish my post....

If dad knew what I had done even now - 10 years later - he would have no hesitation ripping me a new arsehole.... :D


My old man already ripped me one, haha

he was overseas on a 2 month trip and I took his Volvo out for a spin without him knowing...or so I thought.....next thing i know I answer my phone and there is the old man yelling and screaming down the phone to get the car back home. you say volvo.....but this was the 97 V70 2.3T which had just come out ... boy did I cop a hiding when he got back....YIKES and he still reminds me to this day, 10 years on ! and yes I did some silly speeds in that thing on the Tuller freeway where 180 is to be sniffed at. Proud of it then ! hell yeh, now.....what a stupid fool !

[poita]

Instead of closgin down all the driving schools and racetracks, and whinging about how all young ppl are inexpereienced bad drivers OPEN MORE!!
If ppl where taught at a younger age how to drive, handle a car properly then things wouldnt be as bad. P plate restrictions are good, to a certain extent. Whats the first thing a p plater will do once they are off them. buy a turbo/rotary/v8 etc and kill emselves cause they've been driving a na 4 cyl with 75kw (like Ice).
teach em more, stop taking facilities away from them.
they spend millions every year making tv adds, woofukinhoo. wats an add on tv gonna do? nothing.
buy a few acres somewhere, put down some tarmac and train ppl.
ffs im sick of this gov and there bullshit

[Ice]

:clap: YOU DOG ! hahahahaha ROFL !

[Vectracious]

I took his Volvo out for a spin without him knowing...or so I thought.....next thing i know I answer my phone and there is the old man yelling and screaming down the phone to get the car back home.

But how did he know? did someone call him and tell him Pete's out thashing the Volvo or something?

[Ice]

But how did he know? did someone call him and tell him Pete's out thashing the Volvo or something?

well he called home and Mum said your son is out driving your car and he was like did he ask you ? and she said no and thats really all there is too it ! it was a whole respect thing, when you learn to appreciate cars and money ill let you drive it blah blah, then when he did start lettign me i was like, no thanks ill drive my own. I guess its the whole I want what I cant have thing.

[digifish]

When I first got my license...

First some background - My parents house had about 40 meters of gravel (WA gravel, the round slippery brown style gravel) driveway up a long hill to a 3 car garage. It's a bright sunny day, and I come home...

...thinking my parents were out, (driving dads 351 XB work panel van) I came fish-tailing up the drive and screeched to a halt in a cloud of dust in the garage...as the rolling dust-clouds settled and my eyes adjusted to the relative darkness of the garage, there's mum & dad standing about 2 feet from the end of my bonnet staring at me wide-eyed. All I could say is "I think I had my foot down too far' :)

Dad made me sweep the driveway back to normal and I was grounded :)

[Ice]

hahahahaha thats brilliant ! someday we may be those parents, haha

[JR]

hmmm, so when r they gonna b releasing:-

1. a gun that shoots water when a crazy teen shoots at his fellow students?
2. a bottle of tequila that turns into lemonade when ur tipsy?
3. a porn movie that turns into a documentary about the earth when it detects a teen is watching it?

wat a load of shiet this is from ford!!!
blame the tools, don't blame the user!!!

instead of providing better driver training n licensing schemes, they want to "limit" the car.
how many accidents happen above 130km/h, compared to those between 50 & 100km/h??? seriously.
how many people can fishtail or do burnouts in their car above 130km/h. is the seatbelt noise gonna stop that? is the stereo at low volume gonna do that?


just like the phrase in IT:-
"the problem is between the chair & the keyboard - the user"
"garbage in garbage out"

the same thing goes for drivers.

[Vectracious]

well he called home and Mum said your son is out driving your car

ah ok.

yeah day i got my P's mum's like - wait for your dad to come home and you can go together.... whats the point of that!!!!

got a phone call a little later from the old man saying just be careful and that was that (obviously mum had called him in hysterics)

So when I got home, did a massive burnout in front of the house - and when I walked in and mum asked if that was me - said nah - some other car was up the road and did it - because you know - when you're 18 - you gotta do that shit to prove a point, then lie about it so you dont get in trouble.... LOL :rolleyes::D

[poita]

also known as an "ID 10 T" error JR ;)

[Vectracious]

"the problem is between the chair & the keyboard - the user"


LOL - I love that one - so many times i've said "oh its a PEBKAC error" - one day I'll get caught out by some geeky little student though...

[digifish]

hmmm, so when r they gonna b releasing:-

instead of providing better driver training n licensing schemes, they want to "limit" the car.


History has shown that you can't train the 'masses' :) also I am not sure how driver training with tame 'youthful exuberance'.

The only real control is excellent parenting and building a sense of respect for self and others. Personal responsibility and foresight (wisdom).

Since that's a lost cause we resort to rules and now behavioral controls, which attempt to compensate for the excellent parenting...but it's a little too late by that stage.

I really like the idea of immediate consequences of speeding (not that that's the only problem), a GPS tracking car that will punish +10 km/hr speeding with 'speed-limit -10 km/hr' limp-home until parents reset. You could even trip limp-home mode on excessive acceleration and lateral g-forces :P

Perhaps even simpler a black-box recorder that monitors all behavior and the parents can download and analyze. It could even send an SMS when the car appears to be doing dangerous things.

...or something like that.