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Valve Bounce
2nd October 2008, 11:05 AM
Ancient Chinese philosophy states that everything has an opposite. If this is the case the Astra GTE 16v was the complete antithesis of the Volkswagen Golf GTI 16V. Where the VW was subtle and grown-up, with the emphasis on agile, sure-footed handling, the Astra was brash and boorish, with alarming straight-line speed and screw the handling. If the looks of the GTE are anything to go by it was no wonder the MK2 Astra was once Britain's second most stolen car. It couldn’t have stood out more if it had tinsel hanging from the bumper and so it attracted thieves like a silver ring to a magpie.
The GTE had been around since the MK2’s launch in 1984 and had 130bhp but just 999kg to haul around. It sold well, thanks mainly to its handsome, well-proportioned looks, but towards the end of the eighties it was clear that more power was needed if the GTE was to have a crack at the dominant 16-valve Golf.

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The Astra 16v looked almost identical to the 8v when it was unveiled in 1988 apart from subtle red badges on the front and back, but underneath the bonnet sat the ubiquitous ‘red top’ 2.0-litre, that packed 150bhp. Baring in mind this car weighed around a tonne it was no surprise that it gave the Astra serious performance. Some journalists reported a 0-60mph sprint of just 7.5 seconds and the 16v could easily hit north of 120mph, usually with a 15-year-old behind the wheel down the M6. There was a time when you couldn’t move for this automotive equivalent of a white stiletto, but sadly most have now rusted away from the rear arches upwards. This is sad because even though the styling was lairy, and in white more Eighties than a neon shell suit, somehow the Astra pulled it off. Whatever way you look at it the GTE is an icon of the hot hatch glory days, the perfect antidote to the smug VW.

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Today I am standing inside the Vauxhall Heritage Centre admiring the brilliant white 29,000 mile Astra 16v in front of me, in virtually showroom condition. It looks fantastic and brings back a flood of memories from my teenage days. Only when you see a car like this do you remember how long it is since you’ve seen one on the roads. Inside it is mint, familiar, and surprisingly modern. Being a Vauxhall there is a smattering of goodies inside, including sunroof, electric windows, Recaro seats, and of course the digital dash that has ‘LCD ELECTRONICS’ proudly written across it. Push in the timewarp immobiliser key and then the key, before the 16v unit bursts into life immediately.
The leather-rimmed wheel only adjusts for rake and the positions available are knee-scraping and bus. As is traditional when testing a PH Hero it is raining outside, which should sort out that freshly-cleaned, glistening white bodywork in no time.
The 16v is easy to drive and doesn’t feel anywhere near its 24-year-old roots. The view down the road is underlined by the white bonnet with twin vents sunk into it. Feed in the power and you’ll notice that the Astra will light up its front tyres with no qualms on these greasy roads in both first and second, but stickwith it and you will find third. And this is where things start to get a little absurd.

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Once the 16v has decided to transfer its power into the road rather than the thin layer of grime sitting on top of it, the car starts to accelerate at an alarming rate. Most old school hot hatches feel quick, but not that fast, but the Astra really gets going over 4,000rpm. The 16v lump revs freely all the way through the rev range and by the time you are half way through fourth you start to wonder where that initial feel from the steering has wandered off to. Although the wheel feels fairly well weighted around town the steering lightens when you don’t need it to, leaving you with a feeling of vagueness the more speed the GTE happily piles on. How much speed exactly is unclear because the LCD dash doesn’t seem to be able to keep up with the velocity, throwing up numbers that probably relate to a different section of road.

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The gearbox is a little agricultural but it is light and snicks into gear easily and suits the low-tech character of the car. Thankfully my thumbs haven’t yet been sheared off by the rampant torque steer so it is time to attack my first corner. The GTE has a reasonably hard ride and from the sweeping curves I have encountered out of Luton body control seems half-decent. I’m starting to wonder whether the countless tales of woeful handling were perhaps a little unkind and the GTE is better round the twisties than I’ve been led to believe. This is not so. Faster bends can be taken with caution, dialling in the power progressively, but roundabouts expose the unresolved chassis that is clambering to control the huge wedges of power being thrown into it. The problem is unpredictability. You’re never quite sure what the car is going to do next, with all four corners having a mind of their own.

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The weight shifts around the car almost randomly and pushing the accelerator causes the nose to scrub out wide, but lift off for a second and this turns into oversteer without warning. This isn’t helped by the wet conditions but it’s almost like there is a slightly different damper on each corner, and also the fact the steering could do with being a lot quicker. Later I find out that the dampers and tyres on the car are probably the originals, which may go some way to explaining the handling, but driving the car quickly takes nerves of steel. My recommendation is to go slow into the corners and ease the power in, before booting it in the straights to make up for lost time. It may sound unlikely but despite the idiosyncrasies of the handling this is still a fun car. It’s scorchingly rapid in a straight line and trying to get the best out of it in the corners requires guts and concentration.

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Perfect it may not be, but the Astra is still a hero. It harks back to a time when fast cars were rough and ready and didn’t pander to all levels of driving ability. It never was as good as the Golf, choosing to be an underachieving rebel instead of teacher’s pet, but at least it had a go.

:clap::clap::clap:

Valve Bounce
2nd October 2008, 11:13 AM
I'd have one!

Old School hot hatch FTW!

rjastra
2nd October 2008, 11:47 AM
Have a search on youtube for Fifth gear + MK2 Golf GTi. Bringing an old hot hatch in the the 21st century with engine, brake and suspension upgrades.

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 12:01 PM
Its a Daewoo Cielo :p

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 12:21 PM
Holden Gemini's here in Australia ???

I liked some of those, but earlier models than that, I wasn't a fan at all of the early '80's Astras, I liked them from early '90's onwards...

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 12:24 PM
Holden Gemini's here in Australia ???

I liked some of those, but earlier models than that, I wasn't a fan at all of the early '80's Astras, I liked them from early '90's onwards...

Nah - the Gemini was never a MkII Astra - all Gem's were Isuzu models.

Daewoo sold a version of the MkII as the Cielo ( Ithink) when they first started in Australia.

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 12:27 PM
Nah - the Gemini was never a MkII Astra - all Gem's were Isuzu models.

Daewoo sold a version of the MkII as the Cielo ( Ithink) when they first started in Australia.

Ah that's how it was - I remember the old Cielo' so Daewoo actually started taking over nearly 3 decades ago...:eek: LOL what's everyone complaining about now then on the Daewoo revolution in the GMH line up :D

rjastra
2nd October 2008, 12:31 PM
But... the Isuzu Gemini was indeed based on an Opel model - Kadett.

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 12:31 PM
Ah that's how it was - I remember the old Cielo' so Daewoo actually started taking over nearly 3 decades ago...:eek: LOL what's everyone complaining about now then on the Daewoo revolution in the GMH line up :D

I think it was more a case that Opel sold/handed down the plans/tooling/design to Daewoo for the MkII when the original MkII Astra was discontinued - and they just made them and sold them as Cielo's. By this stage they were probably up to the MkIV Astra....

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 12:32 PM
But... the Isuzu Gemini was indeed based on an Opel model - Kadett.

yes, but that's not what we're talking about.

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 12:34 PM
I think it was more a case that Opel sold/handed down the plans/tooling/design to Daewoo for the MkII when the original MkII Astra was discontinued - and they just made them and sold them as Cielo's. By this stage they were probably up to the MkIV Astra....

Friend of mine purchased a brand new Daewoo Cielo in 1997...not sure how long after that they continued if at all ???

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 12:35 PM
Friend of mine purchased a brand new Daewoo Cielo in 1997...not sure how long after that they continued if at all ???

Don't think it was much longer - probably finished that year....

just checked on Redbooks - 97 was the last year.

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 12:45 PM
Don't think it was much longer - probably finished that year....

just checked on Redbooks - 97 was the last year.

You've just joggled my memory, as I do remember now, her saying that it was a bargain because all Daewoo models were being discontinued back then...

Calibrated
2nd October 2008, 12:49 PM
I think it was more a case that Opel sold/handed down the plans/tooling/design to Daewoo for the MkII when the original MkII Astra was discontinued - and they just made them and sold them as Cielo's. By this stage they were probably up to the MkIV Astra....
100% correct.
was basically just the chassis and panels. with some minor differences in other areas.

mechanically, nowhere near similar.

MatsHolden
2nd October 2008, 12:55 PM
all Daewoo models were being discontinued back then...

Daewoo weren't being discontinued in '97, they were around for another 7 years. It was probably a run out model to make way for the newer Nubira.

rjastra
2nd October 2008, 12:56 PM
100% correct.
was basically just the chassis and panels. with some minor differences in other areas.

mechanically, nowhere near similar.

Didn't they have the same engine families and suspensions? The interior looks remarkable similar as well.

Calibrated
2nd October 2008, 01:13 PM
Didn't they have the same engine families and suspensions? The interior looks remarkable similar as well.
interior is similar, not the same.
they shared minor mechanicals. like clutches, pumps, etc. and some things were interchangable (some heads, etc). but not the same.

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 01:26 PM
Daewoo weren't being discontinued in '97, they were around for another 7 years. It was probably a run out model to make way for the newer Nubira.

Thanks for the correction, all I remember is the dis-continued part, wasn't sure if it was for the model range or the whole lot :)

Vectracious
2nd October 2008, 01:28 PM
Thanks for the correction, all I remember is the dis-continued part, wasn't sure if it was for the model range or the whole lot :)

Mat likes to split hairs Ange - I knew what you meant. :D

MatsHolden
2nd October 2008, 01:32 PM
Mat likes to split hairs Ange - I knew what you meant. :D

haha yeah yeah

Wraith
2nd October 2008, 02:20 PM
Mat likes to split hairs Ange - I knew what you meant. :D

Ah yeh, but it's all good :)

Ice
2nd October 2008, 02:29 PM
120HP certainly more than mine.....

im only running 75Kw ATW's

ide love one of these classics.....

lampshade
2nd October 2008, 07:39 PM
I've had 2 GTE's damn good cars too, have a search for the Champion Edition also known as the London edition as they were only sold in London dealership's (500 limit) sold with one off paint job/decal's and Connaley leather interia:cool:
My M8 has a 300bhp turbo GTE, 13.2 on the 1/4 mile all day long:eek:

nadg63
3rd October 2008, 12:15 AM
I used to own a black Mk1 Astra GTE like the one in the pic, (bought it to replace my Escort RS2000 Mk2 Custom at the time as I needed a hatch).

Great car the Astra, only sold it as I moved from the UK to Aus.

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l137/nadg63/Mk1AstraGTE.jpg

MK
3rd October 2008, 05:53 PM
the one we got AUS courtesy of daewoo was called 1.4L and 1.5i the CIELO had modified front and rear (only slightly)

here, the 1.5i and 1.5L

http://carsguide.news.com.au/search/vehicle-search/?N=4294962119+417++542+++4294965666

http://carsguide.news.com.au/search/vehicle-search/?N=4294962119+417++542+++4294955844

here the CIELO:

http://carsguide.news.com.au/search/vehicle-search/?N=4294962119+417++542+++4294965665

it would be a "fun" project to get one of the 1.5 and make it into a Kadett... LOL! :D

poita
3rd October 2008, 06:06 PM
exactly what ant0ny has done ;)
http://www.opelaus.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16266

have been for a drive in it, god dam!
wat a bucket load of fun that thing is