Bye Bye to the Falcon and Territory?? BS or real

[poita]

Found this info today, not sure if anyones popped it up
Bascially ford will get rid of the aussie falcon and territory.
As much of a holden person I am, would be sad if it happened.
And that mean an end to V8 supercars!!!

Here is a link to it
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/7038/sun-is-setting-on-falcon-and-territory/

And an exert from the article


This is what it means. We will never see an all-new model Territory or Falcon. We may, if we’re lucky, see a facelift - nothing more - before the curtain falls on these uniquely Australian Ford cars.

We will see a replacement of one of these models, and one only, with assembly and some manufacture here. It will most likely be a replacement for the Falcon, most likely sourced from Ford’s global stable, most likely offered in both V6 and diesel, most likely front wheel drive with AWD option, quite possibly based on the next Ford Taurus platform (with Ford Australia, no doubt, involved in its development).

Ford Australia does not have the capacity, nor will it see the investment dollars necessary, to produce three models, from three production lines.

[JR]

Found this info today, not sure if anyones popped it up
Bascially ford will get rid of the aussie falcon and territory.
As much of a holden person I am, would be sad if it happened.
And that mean an end to V8 supercars!!!

Here is a link to it
http://www.themotorreport.com.au/7038/sun-is-setting-on-falcon-and-territory/

And an exert from the article

crickey...thats a pretty big bombshell, nonetheless quite possible.

oh man - they can't end v8 supercars!! noooooooo

[btm]

oh man - they can't end v8 supercars!! noooooooo
maybe toyota can take its place :p

[SSS_Hoon]

maybe toyota can take its place :p


they would have to change the rules for that to happen.

As it is ford are using old imported engines in there V8 supercars and no the v8's in the current cars anyway.

As the rules are they must be a pushrod design, and fords new modular v8 isnt pushrod and toyota has no pushrod v8 either.

I think its sad but with the way the petrol prices are going ppl are moving away from the bigger thirstier cars as a daily and buying someting more small and better on fuel for a daily and keeping there v8's for a weekend car.

SSS_Hoon

[Huhness]

Car companies need to be smarter and this would be a smart move from Ford. Dedicate more money to building the focus here and work hard to gain some ground in the small-medium car market!

I read somewhere that car sales are projected to be made up of about 60% small cars 35% medium cars and 5% large cars.

[MatsHolden]

they would have to change the rules for that to happen.

As it is ford are using old imported engines in there V8 supercars and no the v8's in the current cars anyway.

As the rules are they must be a pushrod design, and fords new modular v8 isnt pushrod and toyota has no pushrod v8 either.

I think its sad but with the way the petrol prices are going ppl are moving away from the bigger thirstier cars as a daily and buying someting more small and better on fuel for a daily and keeping there v8's for a weekend car.

SSS_Hoon

Toyota have a pushrod engine they use in NASCAR...

[HappySlapper82]

crickey...thats a pretty big bombshell, nonetheless quite possible.

oh man - they can't end v8 supercars!! noooooooo

IMO v8 supercars has been really boring since they changed the rules (1991) and took out the production class

[MatsHolden]

IMO v8 supercars has been really boring since they changed the rules (1991) and took out the production class

In those days it wasn't V8 Supercars. :) Was Group A or Group 3A for Australian purposes. They then replaced Group A/Group 3A with a new formula for the 5.0L V8's and 2.0Litres, and then these two categories were later split up to their own championships, one being V8 Supercars and the other being Super Touring Cars.

[dieselhead]

As it turns out, keeping the tariffs high won't help Ford as it didn't help MMA, either. Our market is way too small and our manufacturing costs too high to sustain a proper auto industry. Then there's China, with 20 million people busy in this industry, with infinite lower production costs than we could ever dream of. Is just a matter of time until all of them close shop here down under. So why not start planning right now for the day when there's no Holden, Ford or Toyota being built here?!

[blueraven]

Meh. About time really.

[deviant]

Of course the next nail in the lid of Ford (and possibly Holden) big car market is the introduction of 'emissions tax'.

Ok so nothing has been said about it yet but the writing is on the wall...other countries have begun annual taxes based on a vehicles Kg of Co2/KM emissions as well as taxing peoples home emissions.

Krudd has spoken about emissions tax on energy useage and I believe Holden has just launched the displacement on demand system on their V8 engines...perhaps they have seen the writing to?

[HappySlapper82]

In those days it wasn't V8 Supercars. :) Was Group A or Group 3A for Australian purposes. They then replaced Group A/Group 3A with a new formula for the 5.0L V8's and 2.0Litres, and then these two categories were later split up to their own championships, one being V8 Supercars and the other being Super Touring Cars.

It was a much better format IMO. Aussie car manufacturers should have just grown some balls and taken on the turbo cars instead of taking the "I don't wanna play any more" approach and changing the rules forcing them out. As an ex. Imagine the Aussie cricket team being banned from competition cause no one can beat them?

[Ice]

Meh. About time really.

haha agreed !

[Wraith]

Hmmm, I don't really see what all the surprise is about - especially when talking about this topic in reference to the Falcon, it has been on shakey ground now because of poor sales for ages !!! remember that awful AU from almost a decade ago, it pretty much started the downhill slide and Ford Australia hasn't been able to turn the tide since...

However news of Ford Australia abandoning the Territory is new to me ???

If this does happen, it's a shame on many fronts - especially local industry, employment and economy...

It also takes away a strong element of competition that's kept GMH on its toes with the Commodore's evolution, with this gone, GMH may produce lesser exciting upgrades because there's no direct competition to beat...

IMHO O/A like them or not, this is NOT a good thing to happen to any car manufacturers business and I feel for them and all Ford fans if the Falcon will no longer exist :(

[Wraith]

It was a much better format IMO. Aussie car manufacturers should have just grown some balls and taken on the turbo cars instead of taking the "I don't wanna play any more" approach and changing the rules forcing them out. As an ex. Imagine the Aussie cricket team being banned from competition cause no one can beat them?

Are you serious :confused:

Your talking about 2 completely different things there...

Humans are humans, in sport they can only enhance themselves further by taking drugs and if caught there out !!!

In spec'd class car racing we're talking about mechanical machines with all manner of variables that completely transform and change their capabilities, you have to set down a set formula for each class - otherwise you'd have rocket powered sleds vs N/A engined scooters - think about it LOL ;)

I can totally see the point of what's happened in the past in the V8 category, you have RWD N/A V8's and then you throw in forced inducted AWD vehicles - how can you possibly have a fair competion or comparison ??? it's ridiculous, unless it's stated as an 'open' competition or event like the many production car race events, but when you have a specialised category, it is just that, a specific category :)

[Apex]

IMO v8 supercars has been really boring since they changed the rules (1991) and took out the production class

X2

[KID_SRi]

In those days it wasn't V8 Supercars. :) Was Group A or Group 3A for Australian purposes. They then replaced Group A/Group 3A with a new formula for the 5.0L V8's and 2.0Litres, and then these two categories were later split up to their own championships, one being V8 Supercars and the other being Super Touring Cars.

Matt, You forgot the Group C Era.
Which let us see the R-32 Skyline GT-R, Cosworth Sierra RS500, BMW E30 M3, Etc on our Screens in the Late 80's to Early 90's

[littlered]

Matt, You forgot the Group C Era.
Which let us see the R-32 Skyline GT-R, Cosworth Sierra RS500, BMW E30 M3, Etc on our Screens in the Late 80's to Early 90's

ummm - wasn't that part of group A (1985-1992)

Group C ran from aboiut 72 to 85 and included Mazda RX7, Falcon, Commodore/Torana, Bluebird, Camraro, BMW 6 Series and a couple of others that I cannot remember. You get the idea though. Here is a link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Group_C_(Australia)

M

[MatsHolden]

Matt, You forgot the Group C Era.
Which let us see the R-32 Skyline GT-R, Cosworth Sierra RS500, BMW E30 M3, Etc on our Screens in the Late 80's to Early 90's

Pretty sure they were all Group A, not Group C...