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Tigra
29th July 2008, 09:37 PM
Did anyone see the Doco on ABC1 which has just finished? It was called 'The Cars That Ate China'.

It was a real eye opener and made you realise how lucky we are in Australia to have what we have. The doco also travelled around with a VW car club which had around 20,000 members. The camera's followed them on a club run and dont they drive like crazy on the freeways.

Was a great show to watch, not sure if it will be on ABC2 in the future, but keep an eye out for it.

About the show:
China is in the midst of an automotive revolution that has not been witnessed since the halcyon days of Henry Ford. Cars are now the ultimate symbol of status and prosperity in a country that is well on its way to becoming the biggest economy in the world.

But car culture is also bringing about volatile class divisions, the world's worst air pollution, and fierce global competition for limited resources. And it's only just begun.

China is already the second largest auto market in the world and will soon be the biggest - automakers from around the world are in a feeding frenzy for a piece of the action.

Today, car culture is everywhere - in television ads, glossy magazines, glitzy showrooms and international auto shows with scantily clad models. For China's rising middle class, the new prosperity symbolised by the car is intoxicating. For the future of Chinese society, the environment and the world, some of the prospects are chilling.

The story of The Cars That Ate China is told through a diverse group of characters whose lives have been transformed by the car revolution.

We meet a group of well-off kids who race their modified cars around Beijing's highways in the middle of the night; a newly rich small businessman who drives his first new car back to his rural village to proudly show his 75-year-old-father; an American ad man who creates TV commercials to sell cars as status symbols to Chinese men; a migrant family that has come to Beijing to start a car wash business; a millionaire real estate developer who drives a Bentley; a young activist attempting to prevent Beijing's historic neighbourhoods from being destroyed by road construction and high rises; an English writer and Beijing resident who foresees environmental Armageddon; and a female worker who says she is a small screw in the big car called China.

Their stories reflect the hopes, fears, conflicts and contradictions of a society caught up in a whirlwind of unprecedented change.

The film is set in Beijing, once called the 'Bicycle Kingdom' and now the epicentre of China's exploding car culture. The story is a poignant and surprising parable about a world that has profound repercussions for our own.

poita
29th July 2008, 09:40 PM
Yer was flicking between that and overhaulin'.
Very interesting information in that.
Bit scary that in Beijing alone 1000 new cars are hitting the road everyday.
Also that some of the pollution in California is from Beijing.

dieselhead
29th July 2008, 09:59 PM
Have no fear, our Kevin '07 is going to fix everything with his ETS. Including China's environment disasters ;)

On a serious note now: go out there and enjoy driving your car while you can. China's appetite for cars and hence fuel is far, far greater than anyone could have imagined only a few years back. By 2020 there will be 140 million cars there! Had NASA found some oil on Mars yet?!

Wraith
30th July 2008, 09:35 AM
There's plenty of crude to last a long, long........long time, regardless of how much consumption we have and they're finding more deposits all the time and have lots and lots and lots of 'untapped' sights being left alone for those 'so called' rainy days ;)

However I do agree we have to enjoy while we can, when/if it's eventually replaced it won't be due to supply running out, it'll be due to it being replaced with alternative power sources, as per that other thread :)

SSS_Hoon
30th July 2008, 09:44 AM
the only cars eating any place that i know of is Paris. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071282/

Australia has enough of its own also, especially gas, if Aus were to convert everything to run on gas we could supply ourselves for over 100 years not sure where i heard that from but heard it none the less.(not sure on the factual content of that statement either)

SSS_Hoon

pred8r
30th July 2008, 07:31 PM
There's plenty of crude to last a long, long........long time, regardless of how much consumption we have and they're finding more deposits all the time and have lots and lots and lots of 'untapped' sights being left alone for those 'so called' rainy days ;)

I listened to a geologist who works for the oil cartels on Dr Karl (JJJ), he said the biggest misconception by the general public is that the oil is in 'pockets' or underground caverns. This line of thinking is wrong and that the earth is actually more like a sponge, the oil is everywhere, it's just harder to extract from some places than others.

Oil prices are just supply and demand. Heres how to win; Join a cartel (OPEC) that has supply contracts to most major countries (that matter) then withhold supply and the price will skyrocket.
If you produce more and the price drops, what good is that - you will make less money and use more 'product'.

There will not be a successful comparable competing product to petrol (oil) in our lifetimes.

Charlatan
30th July 2008, 08:38 PM
Heres how to win; Join a cartel (OPEC) that has supply contracts to most major countries (that matter) then withhold supply and the price will skyrocket.
If you produce more and the price drops, what good is that - you will make less money and use more 'product'.

There will not be a successful comparable competing product to petrol (oil) in our lifetimes.

Except where the price rises to the point that alternative technologies actually become cost effective to produce.

pred8r
30th July 2008, 10:32 PM
Except where the price rises to the point that alternative technologies actually become cost effective to produce.

No, as a multi-billion $ company, you just buy those technologies, or if they dont want to sell, buy the company that makes a key component for it and go from there (unless you already own it), but dont ever stop the supply just make it prohibitive.
If you are high enough up the food chain, with enough money, it goes back to controlling supply and demand.

You dont need to control 100% of the market, 75% is enough (with influence over the other 25%). Anyone will a smaller share than 10% isnt even considered competition, they need to get along with YOU not the other way around. Just like a shoal of fish.

Wraith
31st July 2008, 12:41 PM
No, as a multi-billion $ company, you just buy those technologies, or if they dont want to sell, buy the company that makes a key component for it and go from there (unless you already own it), but dont ever stop the supply just make it prohibitive.
If you are high enough up the food chain, with enough money, it goes back to controlling supply and demand.


Bullseye...that's exactly what goes on and how it all works ;)