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PaulyJ
26th November 2007, 10:15 PM
Hi All,

A new sub-forum has been introduced for the Astra Diesel range, located in the Astra section.

We understand that the diesels are considerably different model to the rest of the Astra range, and feel that it deserved its own sub-section.

Astra Diesel section (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49)

Enjoy oil-burners.

Regards
Paul

R3N
26th November 2007, 11:37 PM
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Shaun
27th November 2007, 08:50 AM
But again.. Still no VXR section. And Adding a link to www.hsvvxr.com isnt what was asked for either.

Also HSV VXR.com is ran by a different group of people to Opelaus . I thought i would just clear that up with everyone.

SSS_Hoon
27th November 2007, 09:04 AM
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL



SSS_Hoon

Tfer
27th November 2007, 09:17 AM
But again.. Still no VXR section. And Adding a link to www.hsvvxr.com (http://www.hsvvxr.com) isnt what was asked for either.

Also HSV VXR.com is ran by a different group of people to Opelaus . I thought i would just clear that up with everyone.

Wowsers is this still going on.... seriously, a Vectra B and a Vectra C are totally different cars, and we have the same section to share..... the Astra AH SRi-T and Astra VXR are a lot more similar than the two Vectra's, and as for the Astra Diesel... I agree with Admin... it is a breed amongst itself and so deserves a separate section.

And.... it is painfully obvious even to myself, that the hsvvxr forum is totally different to Opelaus and not run by Opelaus.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

btm
27th November 2007, 09:29 AM
it is a breed amongst itself and so deserves a separate section.

you said it right there tfer, doesnt that kind of contradict what you just said?

wouldnt you call the VXR a "breed amongst itself" to the AH astra range (just like the diesel is)? i certainly would. so if this was the case, why wouldnt it "deserve a separate section" too?

oneightoo
27th November 2007, 09:30 AM
you said it right there tfer, doesnt that kind of contradict what you just said?

wouldnt you call the VXR a "breed amongst itself" to the AH astra range (just like the diesel is)? i certainly would. so if this was the case, why wouldnt it "deserve a separate section" too?

+1

Shaun
27th November 2007, 09:31 AM
Wowsers is this still going on.... seriously, a Vectra B and a Vectra C are totally different cars, and we have the same section to share..... the Astra AH SRi-T and Astra VXR are a lot more similar than the two Vectra's, and as for the Astra Diesel... I agree with Admin... it is a breed amongst itself and so deserves a separate section.

And.... it is painfully obvious even to myself, that the hsvvxr forum is totally different to Opelaus and not run by Opelaus.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
This be the arguement from Admin why would you give a turbo section to start with ? It could be under the Astra section then.


SRi T AH and HSV VXR are not similar. Mods for the on the VXR arent advisable to do to a SRi T. As the engine has different internals for start. A VXR has a stronger engine which is capable of handling more power then a SRi T because of its stronger internals. (Proven fact by many UK Tuners. Please go ahead and challange them.)

They idea is though so it makes it eaiser for Both The VXR and SRi T members looking through items there respective vehicle. Instead of sitting there sifting through every post in the Turbo Section to work out if something is for the AH SRi T / TS SRi T or the VXR.

Tfer
27th November 2007, 09:54 AM
Seeing as others have decided to bastardise my comments... thought I should do the same to my original comments, so that you all fully comprehend what I am saying:

Separate section for Astra VXR: do not agree
Separate section for Astra Diesel: agreeBut hey, this is but my opinion, and it may not of course be right in your minds ... but my opinion is right to me ;)


and as for the Astra Diesel... I agree with Admin... it is a breed amongst itself and so deserves a separate section.

And.... it is painfully obvious even to myself, that the hsvvxr forum is totally different to Opelaus and not run by Opelaus.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:


you said it right there tfer, doesnt that kind of contradict what you just said?

wouldnt you call the VXR a "breed amongst itself" to the AH astra range (just like the diesel is)? i certainly would. so if this was the case, why wouldnt it "deserve a separate section" too?

No, as you misquoted me ;)


+1

Again, misquoted ;)


This be the arguement from Admin why would you give a turbo section to start with ? It could be under the Astra section then.


SRi T AH and HSV VXR are not similar. Mods for the on the VXR arent advisable to do to a SRi T. As the engine has different internals for start. A VXR has a stronger engine which is capable of handling more power then a SRi T because of its stronger internals. (Proven fact by many UK Tuners. Please go ahead and challange them.)

They idea is though so it makes it eaiser for Both The VXR and SRi T members looking through items there respective vehicle. Instead of sitting there sifting through every post in the Turbo Section to work out if something is for the AH SRi T / TS SRi T or the VXR.

Sorry Shaun, I will agree to disagree.... I think both the Astra SRi-T and the Astra VXR are fabulous cars for their intended markets, but I still believe, and nothing here has proven elsewise, that the Astra SRi-T and Astra VXR are more similar to each other, than a Veccy B and Veccy C, hence why I believe the same section does both Astra's.

There is no criticism of anyone's ride here... each to their own. And no way could I be bothered to discuss the finer points of engine internals with UK tuners, when I am not considering a move to either an Astra SRi-T or Astra VXR.....

Just my opinion.

;)

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 09:58 AM
Shaun, shut up!
If you're so pedantic about sifting thru stuff between AH SRi T / TS SRi T or the VXR, use the search function.

How hard is it for a member when making a post to put 'VXR' in the topic...?
All of Admin agree unanimously about not putting a VXR section in there. In the future if it becomes clearly obvious that there is a heap of vxr discussion on the forums that would warrant a seperate section, then I'll add it in. The Astra diesel's are completely different and do warrant a seperate sub-section for that reason.

Going by your train of thought, does that mean that the Corsa SRi deserves a seperate section to the rest of the Corsa range? Corsa B and C's are significantly different, as are Veccy B's and C's. They all have one section, and to date I have had not 1 complaint. Why is it that you are the only one going on and on about a seperate VXR section?

Sorry Shaun, but for now this stands as it is. As I said above. If discussions on the VXR get to a point where it deserves its own section, i will put one in.

Regards
Paul and Admin

Shaun
27th November 2007, 10:04 AM
Seeing as others have decided to bastardise my comments... thought I should do the same to my original comments, so that you all fully comprehend what I am saying:

Separate section for Astra VXR: do not agree
Separate section for Astra Diesel: agreeBut hey, this is but my opinion, and it may not of course be right in your minds ... but my opinion is right to me ;)





No, as you misquoted me ;)



Again, misquoted ;)



Sorry Shaun, I will agree to disagree.... I think both the Astra SRi-T and the Astra VXR are fabulous cars for their intended markets, but I still believe, and nothing here has proven elsewise, that the Astra SRi-T and Astra VXR are more similar to each other, than a Veccy B and Veccy C, hence why I believe the same section does both Astra's.

There is no criticism of anyone's ride here... each to their own.

Just my opinion.

;)

No criticism taken but in terms of mods that can be carried out on Both the SRi T AH and VXR there are a world of difference in the levels that you can go to.
The VXR has been developed with more insight then the SRi T interms of changed that can be made. Factory has come to realise that the VXR / OPC in Europe is going to be more modified by the end user and has worked towards making the car more viable for the end user to do so. Thats not saying the SRi T cant be modded or is a cheaper verison that is rubbish becaue i can honestly say i have driven both cars and both are execptional value you for what you get off the show room floor.

Again the point im trying to make is why sit here for hours reading through post that may or may not apply to what your looking for . When alls that required is to break up the 4 sections . Have the turbo section as is. The break it into 4 sub groups.
Calibra Turbo
TS SRi T
AH SRi T
HSV VXR

Because as time goses and more people join with a TS SRi T AH SRi T and VXR which will happens and is already happening compaired back to when i joined 3 years ago it will make life eaiser.

Its about planning for the future and using some forsight for a change.

Tfer
27th November 2007, 10:06 AM
No criticism taken

Thanks Shaun. :)

oneightoo
27th November 2007, 10:07 AM
Seeing as others have decided to bastardise my comments... thought I should do the same to my original comments, so that you all fully comprehend what I am saying:

Separate section for Astra VXR: do not agree
Separate section for Astra Diesel: agreeBut hey, this is but my opinion, and it may not of course be right in your minds ... but my opinion is right to me ;)





No, as you misquoted me ;)



Again, misquoted ;)



Sorry Shaun, I will agree to disagree.... I think both the Astra SRi-T and the Astra VXR are fabulous cars for their intended markets, but I still believe, and nothing here has proven elsewise, that the Astra SRi-T and Astra VXR are more similar to each other, than a Veccy B and Veccy C, hence why I believe the same section does both Astra's.

There is no criticism of anyone's ride here... each to their own. And no way could I be bothered to discuss the finer points of engine internals with UK tuners, when I am not considering a move to either an Astra SRi-T or Astra VXR.....

Just my opinion.

;)

you were not mis-quoted tfer..

btm
27th November 2007, 10:07 AM
i don't see how i can misquote you tfer when i hit the 'quote' button... but oh well...

long story short, i don't care if there is a vxr sub-section or a diesel sub-section, but surely if there is a diesel section, there could also be a vxr section?

NB: just my opinion, not telling mods what to do

Tfer
27th November 2007, 10:10 AM
you were not mis-quoted tfer..


i don't see how i can misquote you tfer when i hit the 'quote' button... but oh well...

long story short, i don't care if there is a vxr sub-section or a diesel sub-section, but surely if there is a diesel section, there could also be a vxr section?

NB: just my opinion, not telling mods what to do

Cool guys, and I was wrong, I apologise :)

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 10:13 AM
Its about planning for the future and using some forsight for a change.

Maybe you should've run for PM.
Shaun, i understand that there maybe a difference to the mods you can get. I'm not going to agrue with you about that. All your points about the differences are valid. However, on OA at present there is not enough discussion on these things for the VXR to have its own section.

The decision stands, now drop it and dont use this thread anymore for this discussion.

oneightoo
27th November 2007, 10:16 AM
Cool guys, and I was wrong, I apologise :)

apology accepted.

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 10:16 AM
Stop spamming now guys.

Shaun
27th November 2007, 10:33 AM
But having a section May get people to actually talk about things.
The diesel mods arent spoken about in Huge numbers but i will put money on it now they have a section they will do so .

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 10:38 AM
But having a section May get people to actually talk about things.
The diesel mods arent spoken about in Huge numbers but i will put money on it now they have a section they will do so .

You can find discussions on VXR here (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16) and here (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48).

Shaun
27th November 2007, 10:44 AM
You can find discussions on VXR here (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=16) and here (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=48).

Those links are a completley different site. Which im well aware of as i am an Admin/ Moderator of it.

The point is im trying to make is Opelaus has got to grow. And with out change how is this possible.
You went to the effort of adding a Subsection but then add a link. Rather childish i think. When you could have used it as a correct subsection for the VXR.

Again your showing your childish mentality .

Snotty
27th November 2007, 10:49 AM
shaun why dont you set up a sub forum on the nsw site and get them to link to there rather than hsvvxr

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 10:57 AM
Shaun, this is your last warning, and I'm making it a public one. Acceptr the fact that for now, there will not be a sub-section for the VXR. Attacking me will not be tollerated. Keep up your attitude and you will leave me with no choice but to ban you.

The first link is to the Turbo section here, the second is to hsvvrx.com
They are an affiliated club with OA. They support us as we support them.
I understand you want OA to grow Shaun. Great! However there is not enough change at the moment to warrant a new section.

oneightoo
27th November 2007, 11:01 AM
quick question..

if a sub-section can made as a link, why cant it just be left to be an actual section for posting??

it would end all this dam bickering..

PaulyJ
27th November 2007, 11:06 AM
quick question..

if a sub-section can made as a link, why cant it just be left to be an actual section for posting??

it would end all this dam bickering..

Simple.
There is minimal discussion on this at the moment, and for a more specialised and precise discussion on VXR's, hsvvxr.com is the place to go to. People want answer, and at this present moment, that is the place to get them from.

SSS_Hoon
27th November 2007, 12:14 PM
I LOLOLOL again


I think this thread and the other one has had more discussion about the VXR then actual VXR threads in the Turbo section.


SSS_Hoon

R3N
27th November 2007, 03:15 PM
The Astra Diesel is significantly different to the rest of the Astra range because:

*drum roll*
1) It uses diesel; a whole different type of fuel and they can now talk about using BP Ultimate diesel or any equivalent alternative
2) They don't use spark plugs; again us petrol users do
3) They have different tuners; eg. DTUK

Hence deserving their own section

poita
27th November 2007, 07:09 PM
can i get an Ecotec Calibra section for me?
my engine mods are totally different to elses, due to the vast differences in motor. oh and also a calibra with no sunroof section?

oneightoo
27th November 2007, 07:24 PM
pete, there will be no calibra with no section.. there are only 2 members lacking the sunroof.. case closed..

R3N
27th November 2007, 07:54 PM
Stop spamming now guys.

dieselhead
27th November 2007, 09:38 PM
Damn, I got so excited to see how popular the new Diesel section is already! But then, after going through two pages, all I saw was stuff about VXR... What on earth is that VXR fellaz?! ;)

I agree, a Diesel is different, not only because burns something else but it also drives different, feels different and definitely purrs in a different way, too. Great to see oilers becoming a bit more popular. Betcha the closer petrol gets to $2.0/litre the more of us you will see on the roads, but I wouldn't call that Diesel vindication...

RudeOne
29th November 2007, 11:46 AM
Pauly,

I know you said case closed before for a VXR section - but perhaps in the future - instead of the link to hsvvxr.com in the turbo section we could use that to post in why;?

1. The origin of the VXR is a different country to any other opel
2.

PaulyJ
29th November 2007, 12:14 PM
I never said never.
Re-read the posts, and you'll see that i said "for now" we wont have one. i want to see how the diesel section takes off, and if there is an increase in VXR discussion on the forums, then yes, i will add one in.
At the moment, we dont offer the same kind of support as hsvvxr.com, so thats the best place to go to right now.

RudeOne
1st December 2007, 09:41 AM
I never said never.
Re-read the posts, and you'll see that i said "for now" we wont have one. i want to see how the diesel section takes off, and if there is an increase in VXR discussion on the forums, then yes, i will add one in.
At the moment, we dont offer the same kind of support as hsvvxr.com, so thats the best place to go to right now.


Something strange happened to my post above!! it didnt post the full thing!! ohwell!!! ignore my rant! :)

Shaun
16th December 2007, 09:32 PM
Pauly,

I know you said case closed before for a VXR section - but perhaps in the future - instead of the link to hsvvxr.com in the turbo section we could use that to post in why;?

1. The origin of the VXR is a different country to any other opel
2.

Rudi were flogging a dead horse here... In the last week we have had 4 new members with VXR's Sign up but its still not warranted ???

We may even out number the Diesel members in terms of numbers and who are active but it still dont seem to warrant one right now.

Rudi i too agree with you. The VXR origins are exactly that. a Vauxhall Product. Our mods are different to those used on a SRi T which would help all out searching instead of wading through post for both. Paulyj that is a bullshit excuse though.. You have gone to the extent of Linking HSVVXR.com to the site. you have made a sub section to do so. It would have been less work to actually use the sub section for what its intended for. That to me reads as follows " If you own a VXR your not welcome on Opelaus but try HSVVXR.com.

Shaun

PaulyJ
17th December 2007, 12:11 PM
Shaun, PM sent.
Thread closed