New Focus ST/XR5

[GreyRex]

Impressions of the new Ford Focus ST/XR5 are coming to light lately. Here are some pictures I found...

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/hatchbacks/ford-focus-st-facelift

[ope126]

Looks nice! :D

[bornwild]

Looks mint! :)

[Orion_996]

Sorry to say (well not really) but come end 2008 and that will be my next car. Unfortunately it will be bye bye Opel.

[Shaun]

That looks Great. Seems like Ford will be using the mazda " DNA theory" as the new Falcon pics head light look similar in styling.

[SIMid]

Improvement and never liked the current shape. Mouth is a bit big, kinda Pug like.:rolleyes:

[tim_]

Sorry to say (well not really) but come end 2008 and that will be my next car. Unfortunately it will be bye bye Opel.

likewise. that is one sexually attractive car

[sooty]

Just to be different...looks like crap...stupid ford...:D

[bornwild]

hmmmm I might consider waiting for the Diesel version of that instead of getting the Astra CDTi....I can get a discount on that Ford as well.....hmmmmmmmmmmm :)

[digifish]

Impressions of the new Ford Focus ST/XR5 are coming to light lately. Here are some pictures I found...

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/hatchbacks/ford-focus-st-facelift

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Focus/ST/ford_focus_st_main02.jpg

http://www.motorauthority.com/wp-content/uploads/Ford/Focus/Euro_2008/Focus_Titanium_facelift.jpg

Actually, from the wing-mirrors back it looks to me a lot like a Corolla....from several years ago, front does look smart,

digifish

[Gambit]

That looks Great. Seems like Ford will be using the mazda " DNA theory" as the new Falcon pics head light look similar in styling.

Looks similar to the Mondeo as well..
http://www.carupdate.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/2007-ford-mondeo-xr5-front-snippet.jpg

[USC]

Ford are bringing in really damn sexy and good cars! I wonder how they will sell here in oz...

[dug74]

Ford Focus ST

Fast Focus is Go!

Stunning new look for Ford's ultimate hot hatch.

By Ross Pinnock
07th November 2007
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_229611_7.jpg

It’s the machine that hot hatch fans have been waiting for... so say hello to the new Ford Focus ST!

These official images reveal the five-door hot hatch and we can also show what the revised three-door will offer, too.

The revised Focus range hits UK showrooms in January, but the ST won't join the line-up until March. These pictures reveal the dramatic revisions that aim to keep the car at the top of the class.
The new car will have a lot to live up to - fast Fords of the past still have a big following.

Mondeo-style headlamps are the most obvious change, yet look closely and you’ll also see a sporty honeycomb grille. The front bumper has integrated foglamps and a huge air intake that takes its inspiration from the Fiesta replacement, the Verve, a concept version of which debuted at September’s Frankfurt Motor Show.

Ford’s designers have ditched the rubbing strips fitted to the current Focus for a clean new look. And at the back, there’s a revised tailgate with a sporty diffuser-style bumper designed to improve high-speed stability.

The comprehensive changes have been made to bring the best-selling model into line with Ford’s latest styling. The new Mondeo was the first production car to preview the firm’s ‘kinetic’ design language when it arrived earlier this year. Its look will be shared with the hotly anticipated Kuga compact SUV – due next May – and the forthcoming Verve.

Changes inside the Focus include new instruments and revised controls for the stereo and ventilation. Buyers will also be able to choose from a host of fresh extras, with keyless entry available as an option for the first time. Cars fitted with the handy set-up get a sporty ‘Power’ button on the centre console to start and stop the engine.

Although the ST’s styling has been changed, fans of the current model needn’t panic about its performance. Engineers are so confident in the outgoing hot variant that modifications under the skin have been kept to a minimum. “The Focus isn’t behind the times dynamically, so there’s no real need to make changes,” explained a spokesman for the company.

The newcomer therefore uses the same 2.5-litre turbocharged engine as before. With 222bhp on tap, the five-cylinder unit will propel the ST from 0-60mph in only 6.5 seconds.

Other manufacturers are toying with the idea of diesel power for their performance models. Only last week (Issue 985), we reported on Honda’s plans to introduce an oil-burning version of its Civic Type R. But a blue oval spokesman confirmed that the powerful 2.2-litre TDCi – the most likely engine choice for a hot diesel model – doesn’t fit under the bonnet of the Focus.

He also ruled out an estate version of the performance flagship. Although other countries in Europe offer sporty Focus load-luggers, demand in the UK is not sufficient to justify converting such a variant to right-hand drive.

The new Focus ST is due in dealers here in March, alongside facelifted versions of the coupé-cabrio and estate.
The existing line-up of ST, ST-2 and ST-3 models will continue, and prices have remained unchanged. The three-door ST will start from £17,995, with the flagship ST-3 costing £19,995. Five-door cars will command a premium of around £600.

http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_228663_5.jpghttp://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_228666_5.jpg
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_228669_5.jpghttp://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_229605_5.jpg
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_229608_5.jpghttp://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_229611_5.jpg

[dug74]

I went to the launch of the Mondeo on friday night..courtesy of a member on the XR5 forums...he is a dealer.

They had all the models there... LX, Zetec, TDCi and XR5.

The XR5 is a great looking car on the inside...leaps and bounds ahead of the focus.

Nice things like voice activation, start button..no key required, bluetooth and a few other touches make it very satisfying.

It also has cruise control...:biggrin:

Now...after the presentation and it was time to leave <9pm>... I asked Mike can I have a little spin in it...he said no worries.

Ok... the power isnt as great as the Focus..<its heavier>...the power delivery is still smooth...no brutal boost like the MPS.

Auto lights, wipers, half leather like MPS3 and no more cheap plastic interior is the highlight.

Feels very stable and planted when revving up the range to higher speeds.

Sounds like the focus...but a bit duller.

Dislikes:

Twin rear zorst pointed downwards

Annoying color screen in the middle of the dash with tacho and speedo <small> either side.

It shows you a pic of your car with lights on, which door is open, trip computer, radio station and all the other info on a screen...i didnt like it....basically a dashhawk in the centre.

Anyways....its a great and something ford should be proud off....but I will wait for the Mazda 6....and then the MPS6...becoz you cant beat AWD in a bigger car.

They said....the mazda will kill them when the 6 is released...becoz it will have a 2.5L...where as the mondeo has the Mazda 2.3L in it.

Here are the pics I took...not clear...but you get the idea.

http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/100_0369.JPG
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/100_0370.JPG
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/100_0371.JPG
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/100_0372.JPG
http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/100_0373.JPG

[USC]

yacky silver bits everywhere..what have thy done???also, exhaust pointing down not a good look.
apart from that, car looks hot.

[bornwild]

The Mondeo XR5 turbo has a 2.5l turbocharged V5, not a 2.3l. :)

[dug74]

The Mondeo XR5 turbo has a 2.5l turbocharged V5, not a 2.3l. :)

Actually the XR5 is a Volvo sourced engine from the S40 and its a I5 2.5L Turbo not a V5.

I was talking about the other mondeos in the range having the 2.3L <LX and Zetec>

The diesel is a 2.0L Turbo ...same as Mazda 6 and Mazda 3.

Thankyou bornwild.

Cheers
DUG74

[phat-dave]

Actually the XR5 is a Volvo sourced engine from the S40 and its a I5 2.5L Turbo not a V5.

I was talking about the other mondeos in the range having the 2.3L <LX and Zetec>

The diesel is a 2.0L Turbo ...same as Mazda 6 and Mazda 3.

Thankyou bornwild.

Cheers
DUG74


lol shut down :dance:

[SSS_Hoon]

The Mondeo XR5 turbo has a 2.5l turbocharged V5, not a 2.3l. :)



:D :D :D :clap: :clap: :clap: :dance: :dance: :dance: :D :D :D



NO BINGO!!!

SSS_Hoon

[bornwild]

I thought you were talking about the XR5 when you said it has a 2.3l engine and no the engine ain't Volvo....it's a Ford engine, which was meant to be used only by Volvo. But yeah it's an inline, I was merely mentioning the number of cylinders.

Isn't the 2.3l engine found in the lesser models the same as the Mazda 2.3?

...and yeah I know the diesel is a 2.0l turbo...bit silly that it's weaker than the one in the Focus but oh well...


ps. what are you 2 on about? :confused:(SSS_hoon and dave?)

pps.Thank you dug74

[dug74]

Please bornwild....you seriously need to do some homework..

The 2.5L turbo engine in the focus and volvo is 100% VOLVO...its a B5254T3 engine <look it up>.

Its the lastest engine developed by Volvo since the debut of the engine in the 850 back in 1993. So...tell me a ford that was using a I5 turbo back in 1990 - 2000's

Didnt think so......

They also have a non turbo engine exactly the same.. B5254S :clap:

Thanks again bornwild...you have proven you know nothing about Ford, Mazda or Volvo...stick to OPELS.

Cheers
DUG74

[bornwild]

I don't need to look it up...the engine is manufactured by Ford mate. May well have been developed by Volvo. Manufacturing is done by Ford, however. :)

ps. here we go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T5_engine), confirms what I was saying

I know because my old man went to a Ford engine plant in the UK and told me they made the T5 there for the Focus ST.


pps. you should know by now that nothing is as obvious as it seems, ey? :) oh and thanks for your kind words, resorting to personal insults again...hmmm

[dug74]

I don't need to look it up...the engine is manufactured by Ford mate. May well have been developed by Volvo. Manufacturing is done by Ford, however. :)

ps. here we go (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T5_engine), confirms what I was saying

I know because my old man went to a Ford engine plant in the UK and told me they made the T5 there for the Focus ST.


pps. you should know by now that nothing is as obvious as it seems, ey? :) oh and thanks for your kind words, resorting to personal insults again...hmmm

Yep confirms exactly what you said...The engine is Volvo..developed and manufactured by Volvo (a car company owned by Ford).

Since we are using wikipedia as a basis of facts...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine

The 2.5L I5 Turbo you call ford...is a duratec...hmmmm i dont see any duratec engine that ford makes in I5 ....could it be Volvo.

In Europe, all Ford gasoline engines are called Duratec...whether made by ford or not...becoz all the other Duratec engines in ford are Mazda made MZR engines...

Your fun....ill leave you with it....

Cheers
DUG74

[bornwild]

I'm not sure that Volvo is owned by Ford, I think that there is only a business relationship; quite a strong one at that but I don't think that Ford has direct ownership over them; again not sure on that point.

And what?...Duratec are a completely different family of engines...so I really don't know what you're aiming at with that piece of information.

And yeah, hehe :D the wikipedia 'reference' was lame, I agree; but my googling skills limited me to using it since it was the only web-site supporting what I had known :)

ps. and a question for you; what specs is the 2.5l engine from the mazda6?

[dug74]

And what?...Duratec are a completely different family of engines...so I really don't know what you're aiming at with that piece of information.

Here is a pic of the I5 2.5L turbo engine in the XR5 Focus and XR5 Mondeo.

http://www.mazspace.com/images/2008%20Focus/car_photo_228663_5.jpg

NEWSFLASH:

The heart of the XR5 comes from a company not generally associated with high-performance motoring: Volvo. But times are changing and the Ford-owned Swedish maker's five-cylinder engine is an excellent starting point for a compact fast car. Turbocharged in the XR5, the 2.5-litre engine makes 166kW, which is 5kW more than the 4.0-litre six-cylinder engine of the first XR6 Falcon back in 1991.

The Australian
August 09, 2006

Further reference...the wiki isnt always right.

Special Models Australia

XR5 Turbo

The only LS Focus for sale in Oz built in Saarlouis, Germany, where the LR Focus was built, the XR5 Turbo is a rebadged Focus ST from Europe. In fact, the cars still have the ST badging on their engines. The XR5 Turbo rapidly hit cult car status in Australia, being the only turbocharged small Ford that has been on sale since the KH Laser TX3. The 2.5L inline 5 cylinder turbo engine is a Volvo design and built, and available only mated to a 6 speed manual gearbox. A unique bodykit, massive alloy wheels, and strong colours means the XR5T stands out in a crowd. Very expensive and with a large waiting list, the XR5T is the flagship LS Focus.
Engine: 2.5L Duratec 20V turbocharged intercooled
Power / Torque: 166kW / 320Nm
Fuel Consumption combined: 9.3L
Transmission: 6 speed close ratio manual
Turning Circle: 11.7m
Weight: 1442kg

European Ford Owners


I REST MY CASE :D

[bornwild]

hmmm...that's new to me!! :)

But yeah...maybe they stuck Duratec on because they manufacture it?;)

[bornwild]

The Australian....:D

[bornwild]

Ah ok I've found out now, to clear up why it's called a Duratec ST.

Here it goes:
It's a revamped Volvo T5 engine, manufactured by Ford with new injectors, flywheel and a remapped ECU. :)

Just like I told ya' :)

[Shaun]

Ah ok I've found out now, to clear up why it's called a Duratec ST.

Here it goes:
It's a revamped Volvo T5 engine, manufactured by Ford with new injectors, flywheel and a remapped ECU. :)

Just like I told ya' :)

its a Volvo Engine through and through. Its the same Engine thats fitted to the S40/V50 T5 Series.

[Shaun]

The Mondeo XR5 turbo has a 2.5l turbocharged V5, not a 2.3l. :)

Just to confirm with you before you start missleading everyone again. (although others have confirmed it ) Volvo Produce a Inline 5 Cylinder engine .

Again you have shot your own credablitly down.

Shaun.

[bornwild]

I've never said otherwise Shaun. :)

http://www.pistonheads.com/astonmartin/default.asp?storyId=13642 :rolleyes:
(http://www.pistonheads.com/astonmartin/default.asp?storyId=13642)

[GreyRex]

ANYWAY... back on topic and off the insults..

I think the new Focus XR5 looks good. No mention on when Australia will get it. I know the current shape has been out a little longer in Europe, but does anyone feel like this one is coming a bit too soon? The latest model, the LT has barely been out 12 months.

[Wraith]

Totally agree Mizled, I saw pics of the new Xr5 a while ago and thought yummie straight away - I like it alot, it's a great improvement on what was already a nice looking vehicle :)

I'm now looking forward to seeing the new Mazda3 revamped range.....if I can't stretch the budget for a new Evo or Sti when my time comes to upgrade my everyday ride, I'll be seriously looking at this Xr5 for sure :)

BTW did you all notice the new Golf Gti Mk6 ?? in there....171kw jobbie :)

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/hatchbacks/preview-2009-volkswagen-golf-mark-vi-gti-and-cabrio/

[bornwild]

Bloody oath, that Focus looks seriously good! :)

That's why I've delayed the purchase of my Diesel...waiting on a reply from Ford as to when this facelifted version is coming out! :D

As for the new Golf, I reckon it's getting the Audi S3 engine tune, ~190kW!!:D


Wraith, you've been away for a couple o' days...welcome back mate! :)

[Wraith]

As for the new Golf, I reckon it's getting the Audi S3 engine tune, ~190kW!!:D


Wraith, you've been away for a couple o' days...welcome back mate! :)

Easily done with a re-flash to over 200kw on Gti's anyway.... :)

Oh and thankyou for the welcome, was actually working on my vert nearly all day both Sat. and Sun. :D then made the missus happy by taking her out on the evenings, so no space left for any 'net time' over the weekend :)

[bornwild]

Easily done with a re-flash to over 200kw on Gti's anyway.... :)

Oh and thankyou for the welcome, was actually working on my vert nearly all day both Sat. and Sun. :D then made the missus happy by taking her out on the evenings, so no space left for any 'net time' over the weekend :)

Sucking up to the missus to finance the car, ey :D:D:D :p:p

[Wraith]

LOL sucking up, so she lets have my way with my cars yes :o :D

I've gotta caugh up all the money though :)

BOT, the more I look at that Xr5 the more I like it's overall styling - very nice indeed....

[dug74]

ANYWAY... back on topic and off the insults..

I think the new Focus XR5 looks good. No mention on when Australia will get it. I know the current shape has been out a little longer in Europe, but does anyone feel like this one is coming a bit too soon? The latest model, the LT has barely been out 12 months.

I was going to correct you...as again this information is wrong....but there is not point...


Cheers
DUG74

P.S. Its a LS model....LT isnt released yet... damn..I SAID IT:rolleyes:

[bornwild]

Dug, the LT has been out for about 7mths now. :)
Mizled_SRi does not grab information out of his arse. :)

Yeah Wraith, I agree with ya'...it looks superb from every angle, I love the new taillights! :D I got insider information that it will make it to AU shores by July!!!

IF I can wait that long for a new car....:(

[GreyRex]

I was going to correct you...as again this information is wrong....but there is not point...


Cheers
DUG74

P.S. Its a LS model....LT isnt released yet... damn..I SAID IT:rolleyes:

Mate you're so wrong it's not funny. I am really over the utter crap people place on this forum. There seems to be a sense of arrogance placed on comments which is not necessary. I really wonder why I bother. There IS an LT model. The LT update incorporated the Introduction of the Diesel model to Australia about the middle of 2007 and a freshening up of the entire Focus range INCLUDING the XR5. New bumpers and colours were introduced and the headlights were blackened on the XR5 along with the Stereo fascia being upgraded along with mp3 capabilities. Have a look on say... fordxr5turbo.com.au and you might've actually realised that. Or maybe go to carsales.com.au. Or go and walk into a Ford dealer and ask for an LS model... you'll be shown the old model. Damn... I SAID IT

[rusole21]

I love opleaus.com!! Such a funny read. So much crap, so much anger.

Funny!!

[Wraith]

I love opleaus.com!! Such a funny read. So much crap, so much anger.

Funny!!

And don't forget - so much good stuff too :D

That makes it worth it in the end ;)

[GreyRex]

I know what you guys mean... normally I couldn't care less. Some people just make the most stupid comments though:p :p :p :p

[USC]

I love opleaus.com!! Such a funny read. So much crap, so much anger.

Funny!!


it`s like a chick flick...;)

invite your gf/wife/whatever women you know to have a read, they might like it too.

[bornwild]

:D opelaus is like a 2nd home to me :D

[gman]

Ahhh, the joys of the internet....

Love watching as people throw rocks at each other from the other side of the state/country/world....

I give this thread 8.5/10....

Good read, nice storyline..Needs more naked girls and dragons for a 9....

[bornwild]

bwahahhahaahahahahhaahahahhahahhahahah :D

[poita]

+1 for more naked girls

[Gambit]

http://www.bmeink.com/A70113/high/bmepb428602.jpg


Is this a half way point then?

[OPC]

I was going to correct you...as again this information is wrong....but there is not point...


Cheers
DUG74

P.S. Its a LS model....LT isnt released yet... damn..I SAID IT:rolleyes:


Mate you're so wrong it's not funny. I am really over the utter crap people place on this forum. There seems to be a sense of arrogance placed on comments which is not necessary. I really wonder why I bother. There IS an LT model. The LT update incorporated the Introduction of the Diesel model to Australia about the middle of 2007 and a freshening up of the entire Focus range INCLUDING the XR5. New bumpers and colours were introduced and the headlights were blackened on the XR5 along with the Stereo fascia being upgraded along with mp3 capabilities. Have a look on say... fordxr5turbo.com.au and you might've actually realised that. Or maybe go to carsales.com.au. Or go and walk into a Ford dealer and ask for an LS model... you'll be shown the old model. Damn... I SAID IT

Mohawk sits back with some popcorn and waits for Dug's comeback

[bornwild]

http://www.bmeink.com/A70113/high/bmepb428602.jpg


Is this a half way point then?

oh yessss! :) Who is that sheila!! Very nice ti...tattoo!

[GreyRex]

Mohawk sits back with some popcorn and waits for Dug's comeback

Can we share the popcorn?? LOL:p :p

[Wraith]

More nudie pics please, it's the only thing that would grab my attention more than the thread topic of the sexy looking new Focus :)

[gman]

oh yessss! :) Who is that sheila!! Very nice ti...tattoo!

can't type...staring.....

[btm]

not a fan of that tat at all... hate big tats on chicks

[Gambit]

can't type...staring.....
I literally found it by typing "naked girls and dragons" into google image search.

Found plenty of naked girls....not a lot of dragons though. This was a good compromise I thought :dance:

[dug74]

Well...time for reply

The LT Ford Focus was facelift model on all cars EXCEPT the XR5 which is still the LS model.

Im a member of XR5 forums and spend most my time with them....also..my friend just purchased the LT focus...as they contained new extras for a cheaper price than previous model.

So...as I said...the LT model of the XR5 has not been released.

Also a member from the XR5 on our last cruise <sunday> had a 10 day old focus which he has waited 4 months for...it was the same as the 06 models on the cruise.

I also went to the ford dealership on the way home...they confirmed the same thing...the facelift/upgrade was on all model focus EXCEPT the XR5.

Thanks

Cheers
DUG74

[RudeOne]

Well...time for reply

The LT Ford Focus was facelift model on all cars EXCEPT the XR5 which is still the LS model.

Im a member of XR5 forums and spend most my time with them....also..my friend just purchased the LT focus...as they contained new extras for a cheaper price than previous model.

So...as I said...the LT model of the XR5 has not been released.

Also a member from the XR5 on our last cruise <sunday> had a 10 day old focus which he has waited 4 months for...it was the same as the 06 models on the cruise.

I also went to the ford dealership on the way home...they confirmed the same thing...the facelift/upgrade was on all model focus EXCEPT the XR5.

Thanks

Cheers
DUG74

Incorrect:

http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/prices.php?id=58669&new=1

upto July 2007 LS model
from July 2007 LT model is available

[Black Nugget]

here is some petrol to put on the flames:D

LT XR5 there are a few, most in SA...one with stripes...

http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars-demo/FORD/FOCUS/details.aspx?Cr=9&State=All%20States&R=1908129&state_id=0&PriceMin=30000&__Ns=pCar_DemoStatusSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decim al|0&__N=4294966463+0+397+4294966417++834+287&distance=25&RegionID=&trecs=30&__Nne=20&seot=0&silo=1001&__sid=1120E58A67A6&Model=FOCUS&Region=All%20Regions&Make=FORD (http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars-demo/FORD/FOCUS/details.aspx?Cr=9&State=All&#37;20States&R=1908129&state_id=0&PriceMin=30000&__Ns=pCar_DemoStatusSort_Int32|1||pCar_Price_Decim al|0&__N=4294966463+0+397+4294966417++834+287&distance=25&RegionID=&trecs=30&__Nne=20&seot=0&silo=1001&__sid=1120E58A67A6&Model=FOCUS&Region=All%20Regions&Make=FORD)

[poita]

this is the new keyboard we are gettin at harvey norman, do u want me to pre-order one for each of you

http://people.freenet.de/eXtreme/1337keyboard.jpg

[GreyRex]

Well...time for reply

The LT Ford Focus was facelift model on all cars EXCEPT the XR5 which is still the LS model.

Im a member of XR5 forums and spend most my time with them....also..my friend just purchased the LT focus...as they contained new extras for a cheaper price than previous model.

So...as I said...the LT model of the XR5 has not been released.

Also a member from the XR5 on our last cruise <sunday> had a 10 day old focus which he has waited 4 months for...it was the same as the 06 models on the cruise.

I also went to the ford dealership on the way home...they confirmed the same thing...the facelift/upgrade was on all model focus EXCEPT the XR5.

Thanks

Cheers
DUG74

I think you're fighting a bit of a losing battle here. As RudeOne says... would Redbook be incorrect? Would every new 07 model on carsales.com.au be incorrect? (Obviously from about mid 07 onwards). Would the owner's on the forum who say they've purchased an LT model be lying? It's been noted on that forum that specs have been mismatched, such as the rear electric windows, rear interior light, and blackened headlights on orders placed at different times. We can't comment on the person waiting four months to receive one that wasn't up to current spec, but i think all the evidence points to the fact there is an LT model across the entire Focus range, including the XR5. Will that make the new one LU... LV?

[JohnBu]

Poor bastard who bought a new car 10 days ago after waiting 4 months, only to find out theres a new model out

i do actually like the XR5.. nice all round car, pity its 5 doors..

i always prefer 3 door hot hatches... 5 doors makes it too utilitarian for me

[RudeOne]

Poor bastard who bought a new car 10 days ago after waiting 4 months, only to find out theres a new model out

i do actually like the XR5.. nice all round car, pity its 5 doors..

i always prefer 3 door hot hatches... 5 doors makes it too utilitarian for me

Agreed!!

I wish the Mazda and the XR5 both came in 3 door variants, id be all over that with a hot rash!!!

[Wraith]

Agree, seen many pics of the 3 door Xr5 Focus - looks hot.......

However I'd have one of those new Xr5's in the pics on the 1st page of this thread, looks fantastic and has the 5 door practicality :)

[Wraith]

this is the new keyboard we are gettin at harvey norman, do u want me to pre-order one for each of you

http://people.freenet.de/eXtreme/1337keyboard.jpg

hahahaha GOLD... :D

Is that keyboard for real ?? if so, I want one too :)

[JohnBu]

Agreed!!

I wish the Mazda and the XR5 both came in 3 door variants, id be all over that with a hot rash!!!

don't worry about the 3 Door MPS3 (too much engineering required), just give us the MPS3 Sedan.

the XR5 does come in 3 doors and would be $1,500 cheaper if Ford AU could be bothered to import them.

I'm also not sure why the 3 Door German built Golf GTi @ $2k cheaper isn't more popular over the 5 Door South African built GTi. looks better and surely made better.

[GreyRex]

don't worry about the 3 Door MPS3 (too much engineering required), just give us the MPS3 Sedan.

the XR5 does come in 3 doors and would be $1,500 cheaper if Ford AU could be bothered to import them.

I'm also not sure why the 3 Door German built Golf GTi @ $2k cheaper isn't more popular over the 5 Door South African built GTi. looks better and surely made better.

Exactly John. I thought I read somewhere the 3 door Golf GTi accounts for less than 10&#37; of sales. It seems as though the market for the Golf specifically seem more keen on the versatility of the extra doors. Maybe that influenced Ford not bringing the 3 door Focus here:confused:

[Orion_996]

The VW dealer i talked to earlier this year when i was contemplating a GTI told me that the 3 door ones were only imported to give the GTI a lower entry price, to deal with lower prices of the SRi T and the XR5, i guess they never really worried about the sales of them much.

[Wraith]

don't worry about the 3 Door MPS3 (too much engineering required), just give us the MPS3 Sedan.

the XR5 does come in 3 doors and would be $1,500 cheaper if Ford AU could be bothered to import them.

I'm also not sure why the 3 Door German built Golf GTi @ $2k cheaper isn't more popular over the 5 Door South African built GTi. looks better and surely made better.

Agree 100&#37; about the Mazda 3 MPS - don't think we'll ever see a 3 door and had there been a sedan, I've said it before, I'd already own one ! :)

IMO the reason Mazda didn't do a sedan MPS 3 is because it would totally kill off the already low selling MPS 6 sedan..... !!

As for Golf Gti 5 door vs 3 door, IHMO not only is the 5 door more practical, but in my eyes it looks better too, I think that's why it's selling so much better....the 3 door reminds me of the Polo too much for my liking - just my opinion, I'd have the 5 door anyday over the 3 door even if it is more expensive and not made in Germany :)

[OPC]

IMO the reason Mazda didn't do a sedan MPS 3 is because it would totally kill off the already low selling MPS 6 sedan..... !!

:)

ive only seen about 4 MPS 6's

ive seen about the same MPS 3's...

even got close to one on the highway... and then some

reckon the sedan would smash sales... i might have even considered one... shhh dont tell anyone...what am i saying no f@kin way would i... the astra has alot of potential and style

[EL BURITO]

The VW dealer i talked to earlier this year when i was contemplating a GTI told me that the 3 door ones were only imported to give the GTI a lower entry price, to deal with lower prices of the SRi T and the XR5, i guess they never really worried about the sales of them much.
there also the only GTi imported from Germany the 5 door comes from SA. there also from what i have seen never sitting on the lot. and when there is less than $1500 difference in the price + more resale value is understandable, I would not be surprised if the dealers were able to reduce the price of the 5 door more than the 3 given the cost of labor in SA compared to Germany

[rjastra]

Has anyone thought the reason for the popularity of 5 door mps3,GOlf,xr5 etc is that Australians prefer 5 door hatches over 3 door models? ;)

Perhaps Holden would be wise to have a 5 door SRi T....

[Wraith]

Has anyone thought the reason for the popularity of 5 door mps3,GOlf,xr5 etc is that Australians prefer 5 door hatches over 3 door models? ;)

Perhaps Holden would be wise to have a 5 door SRi T....

That's a good point and you may be correct..... :)

But IMO with the AH Astra, the 5 door is miles behind the 3 door in looks and appeal, I don't think a 5 door Sri t AH would sell very well at all, most would opt for the 3 door.

[btm]

But IMO with the AH Astra, the 5 door is miles behind the 3 door in looks and appeal, I don't think a 5 door Sri t AH would sell very well at all, most would opt for the 3 door.

agree totally there wraith

i personally cant stand the look of the 5 door H. it just looks weird... but the 3 door is just pure class in my books

[JohnBu]

re: 5 door GTi's & XR5's vs the 3 door equivalent, its not that bad..

I always prefer the 3 door.. after kids, maybe the 5 door will favoured.

But, the differences are not that much (i.e. 3 & 5 door astras) as the shape & overall length of the car are identical, only the doors are different.

oh, i've seen way more MPS3s compared the 6s even though the 6 has been on sale for more than twice the length of the 3.

a 5 door SRiT I think would be good idea. open some new markets.

[Apex]

ive only seen about 4 MPS 6's

ive seen about the same MPS 3's...

even got close to one on the highway... and then some

reckon the sedan would smash sales... i might have even considered one... shhh dont tell anyone...what am i saying no f@kin way would i... the astra has alot of potential and style

Same here, I don’t see many around at all, funny because they got rave reviews by most mags. It could be that people are put off by its rep mobile looks.

Astra FTW :)

[btm]

a 5 door SRiT I think would be good idea. open some new markets.

mr & mrs t would be front of the queue for that one!

[Wraith]

re: 5 door GTi's & XR5's vs the 3 door equivalent, its not that bad..

I always prefer the 3 door.. after kids, maybe the 5 door will favoured.

But, the differences are not that much (i.e. 3 & 5 door astras) as the shape & overall length of the car are identical, only the doors are different.

oh, i've seen way more MPS3s compared the 6s even though the 6 has been on sale for more than twice the length of the 3.

a 5 door SRiT I think would be good idea. open some new markets.

mmmm, to me and I'm sure most others the AH 3 and 5 door Astras look totally different to each other....

Overall length and width may be the same, but the shape from top of the doors up is totally different and the single longer door vs 2 shorter doors gives the whole car a different look !

Almost exactly the same lines as IMHO the best looking Opel ever made (Calibra) - that is without a doubt what gives the AH 3 door so much appeal...

If Opel never made a 3 door AH I reckon they'd be struggling to sell them as BTM pointed out, I too agree, the 5 door AH is an oddballl looking car - very ungainly and IMO quite ugly.

Agree about the MPS 3 sightings, I see quite a few, much more than the 6's for sure, probably only seen 4 or 5 of them all up :)

[JohnBu]

Wraith- ooops I meant the 3 & 5 door GTi's are very similar, whereas the 3&5door AHs are very different!

on that note, the 3 & 5 door TSs have the same overall shape.

[btm]

on that note, the 3 & 5 door TSs have the same overall shape.

good point actually. its just the door cuttings that make it look slightly different.

[bornwild]

good point actually. its just the door cuttings that make it look slightly different.

The 2-door looks a bit shorter too...maybe an optical illusion.

[btm]

The 2-door looks a bit shorter too...maybe an optical illusion.

its purely an optical illusion. but you're right, i found it hard to believe at first that they are exactly the same length

[Wraith]

Wraith- ooops I meant the 3 & 5 door GTi's are very similar, whereas the 3&5door AHs are very different!

on that note, the 3 & 5 door TSs have the same overall shape.

Ah I see :)

True with the above, although for me the 5 door Gti is more attractive side on than the 3 door - must be an optical illusion thing maybe with the door line gaps or something like that ??? and also as BTM poited out the 3 door does appear to look shorter and 'booffier' in appearance.

What it most probably is though, is the location of the B pillar and the proportioning of the glass and door lines between 2 or 4 doors which gives a very noticeable different look, even in the case of the TS Astra and Gti :)

[btm]

the AH coupe's windscreen has a smaller degrees slant than the 5 door AH doesnt it?

[Apex]

I had never even noticed a AH 5door until the Coupe came along,they look so bland and boring in comparison...and what's up with the taillights :)

[Wraith]

the AH coupe's windscreen has a smaller degrees slant than the 5 door AH doesnt it?

Yep, it does appear to be more raked back and so is the rear glass....

On Calibras the rear glass is very sleek, even more than that of a Monaro, when you stand next to it, it almost seems horizontal, makes the car look fantastic :)

[Wraith]

I had never even noticed a AH 5door until the Coupe came along,they look so bland and boring in comparison...and what's up with the taillights :)

Hate to repeat, but it's exactly what I think of em, even if they were 10 times the car they are, I could never see myself owning one....

[btm]

i remember when i first saw an AH in the flesh - i couldnt stand it.

but as said above, when the coupe came out it changed my whole opinion on the AH range

[btm]

On Calibras the rear glass is very sleek, even more than that of a Monaro, when you stand next to it, it almost seems horizontal, makes the car look fantastic :)

very very flat... i remember when 182 closed his boot and cause it was so low it smashed the fish tank in it that he was delivering to me! :)

[Wraith]

very very flat... i remember when 182 closed his boot and cause it was so low it smashed the fish tank in it that he was delivering to me! :)

LOL I've had that happen to me too with things in the boot of my Cali, got a little smudge mark on the tint due to that :doh:

[btm]

i've got a tiny smudge mark on my rear tint from my golf buggy... and that's from an astra! cali would be so much worse

[Wraith]

i've got a tiny smudge mark on my rear tint from my golf buggy... and that's from an astra! cali would be so much worse

True that with height, but compared to the TS Astra the Calibra has heaps more luggage length space to play with, the boot is actually very/deceptively long and you can fit heaps in there :)

[SSS_Hoon]

This thread is funny.


SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

They always are when they go off the 'beat n track' :)

[btm]

They always are when they go off the 'beat n track' :)

its all related :rolleyes:

[Wraith]

Yeah, kind of LOL - new Xr5 looks compared to the boot space of Astras and Calibras :D

All good things to raise and discuss though :)

[btm]

All good things to raise and discuss though :)
exactly. all relative ;)

[poita]

i've got a sub box with 2 12" subs in the cally boot, and i can still fit the golf clubs in there.
only thing is the buggy goes on the back seat, if not i take teh inlaws motorised 4 seater :D:D:D

[btm]

OK, i'll bring it back on topic... why is the orange paint jop on the XR5 so much more expensive?

[bornwild]

It's a 'special' colour...it looks good and people are prepared to spend the money to look different, so yeah... :D

[btm]

but its a huge difference!

and what's the deal with all car places charging an extra $300 or so for metalic paint??

[bornwild]

Metallic paint is more expensive to do as it has few more layers than the standard paint, still not $300 worth of difference but I will give them that one. The orange paint is however a standard metallic paint, they just charge for the uniqueness of it...I guess

[btm]

how much is it? $1600 extra?

[GreyRex]

I thought i read somewhere where that it's supposedly a harder colour to apply and involves a longer application process. It's designed to have different effects in different light. Then again, that new K-Pow colour on the ve commodore goes from blue to purple and back and only costs something like $380 lol

[GreyRex]

how much is it? $1600 extra?

I THINK $1800

[btm]

I THINK $1800

how much does an aftermarket paint job cost - about $3k??

[bornwild]

how much does an aftermarket paint job cost - about $3k??

Yeah pretty much...and you only get the outside of the car painted!! So factory option is pretty 'cheap'.

[btm]

Yeah pretty much...and you only get the outside of the car painted!! So factory option is pretty 'cheap'.

but then again it is a lot easier to paint a car when its only a shell on the production line!

[Wraith]

The new Xr5 is in todays Herald Sun cars guide......

Man I love the look of this car - it's hot, even in that orange colour :o I could definitely see myself in one :) tuning on these has been done locally here in Melb. 240kw no probs....mmmm something to ponder....

Arriving here in March '08 :)

[btm]

what are the main differences between the old and the new?

[Wraith]

what are the main differences between the old and the new?

The exterior styling and an interior update as well.

This includes new interior lighting, new seat fabrics, more auxiliary outlets and wait for it................a push-button starter, groovy baby - these things are going to be standard on all cars soon, even the new Sti has one :)

Later on they will get the option of a 6spd DSG type trans as well !!!

It says other models, including the 2.0 TDCi will follow about 6 months down the track - so around Sept. '08 - that's one for you Mr BornWild ;)

TDCi will also have a 6spd DSG option :)

[btm]

so its not a facelift... its a whole new car almost

[Orion_996]

I'm liking it more and more. Damn come 2009 when I'm thinking of changing its the #1 candidate. although that new Hyundai Genesis Coupe looks very promising. 3.8 V6, RWD and 225kw.

[Wraith]

I'm liking it more and more. Damn come 2009 when I'm thinking of changing its the #1 candidate. although that new Hyundai Genesis couple looks very promising. 3.8 V6, RWD and 225kw.

Agree, regarding the new Hyundai - they just keep getting better, reminds me of Honda' rise to glory from the early days in the '70's when they were the Hyundai' of the day ;)

2009 will most likely be when I update from the Cali as my everyday ride and this Xr5, new MPS 3, Gti Mk6 and new Sti and Evo will be my short list :)

So far - despite it's price, the Sti leads as my fav.

[bornwild]

Nah I can't wait till Sept next year. I'm getting the Astra now and next year change it to the Focus with the DSG. :D

[Wraith]

Nah I can't wait till Sept next year. I'm getting the Astra now and next year change it to the Focus with the DSG. :D

Good choice, but it would be wise to wait for the Xr5 - end up being more cost effective that way....

I'm in the same boat with my Cali, despite its age, it's still quite new and low kms. so I can afford to wait for something I really want and save more money for it in the mean time :)

[bornwild]

Oooo I can't afford the overall cost of the XR5, yet!...Once I finish Uni though, I'm thinking of buying the XR5 :)

[Shaun]

I'm not sure that Volvo is owned by Ford, I think that there is only a business relationship; quite a strong one at that but I don't think that Ford has direct ownership over them; again not sure on that point.

And what?...Duratec are a completely different family of engines...so I really don't know what you're aiming at with that piece of information.

And yeah, hehe :D the wikipedia 'reference' was lame, I agree; but my googling skills limited me to using it since it was the only web-site supporting what I had known :)

ps. and a question for you; what specs is the 2.5l engine from the mazda6?


i HATE To burst your bubble but being an EX Volvo Australia Employee from 5 Years ago i can confirm that Ford Motor Company owns Volvo Car 100%.

Volvo AB Sold the Car division off to Ford Motor Company Arround 2001-2002. They sold the Car Business as there Primary Business is in the Heavy Vehicle Area and Commerical Equipment Area. (Volvo Trucks Volvo Construction Equipment) After the sale of the Volvo Car Division they made a purchase of Shares Scania but were forced to sell there Shares due to the EU having many condtions to this purchase. Volvo sold its Shares off to Volkswagen of Scania and then Purchased shares of the Merged Renualt-Mack truck corp along with there recent Purchase of UD Trucks in Japan.

As for the T5 / Duratec engine used in the XR5/ST focus. Its a VOLVO engine . Its exactly the same engine used from the S40T5 /V50T5. Nothing more then a recovered engine with Duratec covering.
Volvo have been using this engine for years.

How ever its Romoured Ford Motor Corp want to Sell Volvo (Like they are doing with Landrover) and Volvo is looking to purchase it back for almost a 1/4 of what they sold it for.

[Wraith]

Regardless of the company politics etc. the new Focus Xr5 T is a nice hot hatch that's excellent value for money :)

Look out all other hot hatches (even the new Sti) if there's going to be a new RS AWD turbo variant...now that would be something :)

[poita]

and born the mazda 6 is only a 2.3L ;)
well the one i have is, the newest ones are now 2.5L

[Shaun]

Regardless of the company politics etc. the new Focus Xr5 T is a nice hot hatch that's excellent value for money :)

Look out all other hot hatches (even the new Sti) if there's going to be a new RS AWD turbo variant...now that would be something :)

There romours that it will be... Only time will tell.

[SSS_Hoon]

Also a side note i dont think that the lack of cruise control on the Focus has anything to do with the ECU or the electrics that are on the car. As we went and had a look at them and the Mondeo with the same engine has cruise control.


Gotta say i was impressed from the Mondeo the boot space is immense. Although i think the MPS3 wins over the current ones. A 2 door frozen white XR5 with DSG would own for sure.



SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

Also a side note i dont think that the lack of cruise control on the Focus has anything to do with the ECU or the electrics that are on the car. As we went and had a look at them and the Mondeo with the same engine has cruise control.


Gotta say i was impressed from the Mondeo the boot space is immense. Although i think the MPS3 wins over the current ones. A 2 door frozen white XR5 with DSG would own for sure.

I must say, I too am impressed with the new Mondeo, makes a serious family car choice, that's for sure :)

Hopefully/maybe 3 door Xr5's will be part of the next range...as for DSG type boxes, it's only a matter of time, they'll be a feature/option on most cars in the future...I've read the next model update of Imprezas, including Wrx and Sti will have a DSG/SST option, great stuff :)


SSS_Hoon

[rjastra]

Also a side note i dont think that the lack of cruise control on the Focus has anything to do with the ECU or the electrics that are on the car. As we went and had a look at them and the Mondeo with the same engine has cruise control.


I made the observation that no Focus with the 3 spoke sports steering wheel has CC. CC is only available when you specify the 4 spoke (non sports) steering wheel :)

[Wraith]

Something happened to my text above :confused:

Was saying agree with the above, would be nice to see 3 door Xr5's come to Aust.

I'm also impressed with the new Mondeo, it makes for a serious family car contender choice :)

[SSS_Hoon]

yeah wraith its in there, just inside my quote hehehe.


SSS_Hoon

[Wraith]

yeah wraith its in there, just inside my quote hehehe.


SSS_Hoon

DOH !!!! :doh:

I must've been half asleep with that one LOL :D

[SSS_Hoon]

DOH !!!! :doh:

I must've been half asleep with that one LOL :D


lol its one of those days though.:D


SSS_Hoon

[bornwild]

Something happened to my text above :confused:

Was saying agree with the above, would be nice to see 3 door Xr5's come to Aust.

I'm also impressed with the new Mondeo, it makes for a serious family car contender choice :)

Mondeo
Sensible Choice: 2.0TDi:boohoo:
Most fun: 2.5IT :D

[bornwild]

and born the mazda 6 is only a 2.3L ;)
well the one i have is, the newest ones are now 2.5L

Yeap the Mazda6's have been 2.3l for ages only the new model is 2.5l.


Did I dispute that somewhere???:eek:

[bornwild]

http://i31.tinypic.com/i40qo6.jpg

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[bornwild]

Ange, after I tell you this I know you're gonna by the Focus RS!!!!! But before you read the rest of the text you have to promise to take me for a drive!!!!!!








Promise?? Yes?? Good....read the following


FOCUS RS
Power: 260kW!!!!!!!!!
Drivetrain: 4WD
Torque: ****loads@I-Shit-You-Not-low RPM

:D:D:D:D:D STi Killer

source: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080407.003/production-ford-focus-rs-spied-on-the-ring

[rjastra]

All reports suggest the RS will be FWD not AWD

[Wraith]

Ange, after I tell you this I know you're gonna by the Focus RS!!!!! But before you read the rest of the text you have to promise to take me for a drive!!!!!!








Promise?? Yes?? Good....read the following


FOCUS RS
Power: 260kW!!!!!!!!!
Drivetrain: 4WD
Torque: ****loads@I-Shit-You-Not-low RPM

:D:D:D:D:D STi Killer

source: http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080407.003/production-ford-focus-rs-spied-on-the-ring

If that's all true then f#*K me, would have to seriously consider it.....2 things first though...

1. I hope it dosn't look like that pic above, (ugly front bar) it'd better have better styling than that...

2. I don't believe it'll have 260kw from factory, not for AUDM cars anyways, I don't think Ford Aust. would want to make their new Falcon Xr6 T's look bad !!!

Whatever I end up getting in future your more than welcome to take drives with me :)

[JohnBu]

2. I don't believe it'll have 260kw from factory, not for AUDM cars anyways, I don't think Ford Aust. would want to make their new Falcon Xr6 T's look bad !!!



doesn't really matter how it makes the XR6T look because, the RS will be more $$$$ anyway... can't see the RS being quicker than XR6T in a straight line

secondly, don't worry about the XR6T, its the XR8 gets the shit kicked out of it by the new XR6T.

Drive has repeatly recorded XR6T auto- 0-100km in 5.1, 400m in 13.4 (XR8 is 1 second slower in both)

thats damn impressive for a stock auto... I would imagine a tune will get you in the mid 4s and low 12s.

new XR6T has a larger turbo, and intercooler from the typoon..

would make for an awesome bargain 2 years down the track for mid $20s.

[Wraith]

thats damn impressive for a stock auto... I would imagine a tune will get you in the mid 4s and low 12s.

new XR6T has a larger turbo, and intercooler from the typoon..

would make for an awesome bargain 2 years down the track for mid $20s.


That's true, these things are already running 12's and 11's with tunes...

Even the 1st Xr6T's years ago were running 12's with a little tuning :)

BTW the auto 'is' faster/quicker than the manual anyway, said it many times before, when you get to a certain power level, autos (any type of auto ) are quicker than a manual !!!!

Check out all the quickest drag cars - they're all autos !!!

There's no way my old 9sec Torana could've run those times with a manual...

Hence why I've always said, SMG, DSG, SST type transmissions are the future - best of both Worlds :)

[bornwild]

If that's all true then f#*K me, would have to seriously consider it.....2 things first though...

1. I hope it dosn't look like that pic above, (ugly front bar) it'd better have better styling than that...

2. I don't believe it'll have 260kw from factory, not for AUDM cars anyways, I don't think Ford Aust. would want to make their new Falcon Xr6 T's look bad !!!

Whatever I end up getting in future your more than welcome to take drives with me :)

Yeah they're still rumours, though that one about 260kW is a pretty firm rumour with a couple of German sites backing it.

As for the FWD/4WD...the story is this...the 4WD will be optional and the FWD will be stock and have some tricked out LSD diff. Those are just hard rumours but you never know...

Oh and Ange, the pic above is just a chop of the old focus-face :p.

And I certainly hope that Ford AU bring the RS in at all.

[bornwild]

That's true, these things are already running 12's and 11's with tunes...

Even the 1st Xr6T's years ago were running 12's with a little tuning :)

BTW the auto 'is' faster/quicker than the manual anyway, said it many times before, when you get to a certain power level, autos (any type of auto ) are quicker than a manual !!!!

Check out all the quickest drag cars - they're all autos !!!

There's no way my old 9sec Torana could've run those times with a manual...

Hence why I've always said, SMG, DSG, SST type transmissions are the future - best of both Worlds :)

Yeap, I agree with you about the Autos...although I am against the use of torque converters and all autos should go along the lines of Mercedes and use multi-plate clutches that are programmed to open progressively when you're starting or stopping, and to give a moment of slip to cushion gearchanges. Plus they are a lot lighter than a bloody torque converter, hence more efficient.

[Wraith]

Yeah they're still rumours, though that one about 260kW is a pretty firm rumour with a couple of German sites backing it.

As for the FWD/4WD...the story is this...the 4WD will be optional and the FWD will be stock and have some tricked out LSD diff. Those are just hard rumours but you never know...

Oh and Ange, the pic above is just a chop of the old focus-face :p.

And I certainly hope that Ford AU bring the RS in at all.

Gee wiz, once again if this is true and does eventuate, can you imagine a FWD with 260kw and bags of torque, even with an LSD, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot, leave that kind of power output to the AWD please...

And yes 'hopefully' it comes to Aust... :)

[Wraith]

Yeap, I agree with you about the Autos...although I am against the use of torque converters and all autos should go along the lines of Mercedes and use multi-plate clutches that are programmed to open progressively when you're starting or stopping, and to give a moment of slip to cushion gearchanges. Plus they are a lot lighter than a bloody torque converter, hence more efficient.

Totally agree, but it's all about 'cost' my friend :)

[poita]

Gee wiz, once again if this is true and does eventuate, can you imagine a FWD with 260kw and bags of torque, even with an LSD, I think they're shooting themselves in the foot, leave that kind of power output to the AWD please...

And yes 'hopefully' it comes to Aust... :)

ask Tony wat its like to have that much power in a FWD ;)

[Wraith]

ask Tony wat its like to have that much power in a FWD ;)

I'm sure he'd say it's bags of fun, but not exactly a good everyday street daily drive... :)

[SSS_Hoon]

Autos...although I am against the use of torque converters and all autos should go along the lines of Mercedes and use multi-plate clutches that are programmed to open progressively when you're starting or stopping, and to give a moment of slip to cushion gearchanges. Plus they are a lot lighter than a bloody torque converter, hence more efficient.


you mean AUDI/VW, as thier version is the leader in dual clutch transmissions, at the moment that is.




SSS_Hoon

[SSS_Hoon]

ask Tony wat its like to have that much power in a FWD ;)

Well Tony has a fair bit more then that:D .



Although the RS would be more sedate i think and would most likly be about 200-215fwkw and even that for a FWD is too much power for every day use, although the RS will be engineered to run with that power fulltime so it should handle and drive fairly good and sedate.

Driving a FWD turbo car with only 130 odd fwkw is fun enough(also a PITA especially in the wet) i couldn't imagine 200plus fwkw, it would be a bag of fun for sure i would love to drive it.


SSS_Hoon

[bornwild]

you mean AUDI/VW, as thier version is the leader in dual clutch transmissions, at the moment that is.




SSS_Hoon

Auto's and dual clutch transmission are completely different things...

I was saying that, if we are going to have Automatic gearboxes, we should at least use multiplate clutches instead of the torque converters ;)

Dual clutch systems are a whole new world.

[SSS_Hoon]

Auto's and dual clutch transmission are completely different things...

I was saying that, if we are going to have Automatic gearboxes, we should at least use multiplate clutches instead of the torque converters ;)

Dual clutch systems are a whole new world.


NO SHIT...

I was just stating that the AUDI/VW Dual Clutch is superior to the Merc one you were refering to is all.


I've only been saying that DSG type gearboxes will be the way of the future for all sports well cars in general for the last 3 years (almost) they are awesome they do have their downsides though but over time they will be sorted that is for sure.

SSS_Hoon