VE Commodore Sportswagon!

[Red AH SRI T]

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HOLY MOTHER OF GOD!!! It's beautiful!!!!

[btm]

official pics i'm assuming?

[Calibrated]

it runs on BioFuel.

[oneightoo]

i like it!

[btm]

awesome stance from the rear

[maloo97]

Oh I love it.
I remember back in the day with the hsv vp sport wagon.
well that was nice but this is awesome! :)

[Red AH SRI T]

http://www.clearyourcalendar.com.au/

VE wagon microsite

[Wraith]

That looks HOT from any angle, very sexy factory wheels too..........I love it :)

We knew it was comming......now bring on the new Coupe :drool:

[btm]

is there going to be anything at the motorshow about the coupe or torana?

[GreyRex]

That's nice. This is going to become a massive thread lol

[btm]

very sexy factory wheels too..........I love it :)

are they the 19" off the GTS??

they look very similar

[InsaneAsylum]

i love it!

[USC]

looks pretty good! I wonder how many korean parts are in it:D

[Wraith]

are they the 19" off the GTS??

they look very similar

No.......GTS has 20's not 19's and they're different to that...

The GTS wheels are the same as those on the pics of the new VE Maloo ute on the other thread :)

[btm]

No.......GTS has 20's not 19's and they're different to that...

The GTS wheels are the same as those on the pics of the new VE Maloo ute on the other thread :)
i thought it was optional 20's? no?

edit: just checked the hsv website, and yes, 20" standard

whilst doing this noticed that hsv have changed their website - completely different now

[bornwild]

looks pretty good! I wonder how many korean parts are in it:D

lawl....40%:D

[Wraith]

From what I know none of the parts that make up the VE are from the Daewoo parts bin ???

Maybe GMH have sourced switches and the like from there...???

Someone needs to look it up :)

[bornwild]

From what I know none of the parts that make up the VE are from the Daewoo parts bin ???

Maybe GMH have sourced switches and the like from there...???

Someone needs to look it up :)

Few switches and that's about it. A mate of mine works for a company that does all the other plastics and trims for both Holden, Ford and Toyota.

[Apex]

Very nice, well done Holden :clap:

If I had kids and a fuel card id be making a down payment today!

[Wraith]

OK then, lets not call it Korean anymore :D

[USC]

OK then, lets not call it Korean anymore :D

Lets call it a true aussie muscle with Korean veins...hahaha:p

[poita]

the VE Half-Cast Wagon ?

[xplosv57]

Oh my God, that wagon is killer, looks so bloody fantastic, so much better than the sedan, i want one!!! Such a great looking car, doesn't look like the family spec things we've seen previously with Commodores!!

But i'll have none of this BioFuel rubbish, put my V8 back under the hood dammit!!!!

That wagon would fill the other vacant space in my future garage next to my '08/'09 Camaro, that would be a beautiful GM garage!!!


Few switches and that's about it. A mate of mine works for a company that does all the other plastics and trims for both Holden, Ford and Toyota.

Is this the plastics company that has gone bankrupt, i've been waiting for a plastic trim for 6 weeks and was told the company that makes them here in Aus has gone bankrupt!!!!

[Shaun]

If there is a SS-V or a Calais-V then it will be my next car.

[Black Nugget]

If there is a SS-V or a Calais-V then it will be my next car.

yup motor magazine states that there will be a wagon available at all trim levels as per the sedan.

better sell that astra then:p

[bornwild]

Is this the plastics company that has gone bankrupt, i've been waiting for a plastic trim for 6 weeks and was told the company that makes them here in Aus has gone bankrupt!!!!

I honestly couldn't tell you, this company is located in Campbellfield right across the road from Ford. I forgot their name but it starts with a 'P'.

Mate would have called me if he had lost a job....so not sure on that one.:confused:

[tuzinski]

DAMN!!!!!
my pants are wet! hehe

thats soooo nice, i wish i had cream leather.

[nadg63]

It's just another Holden/Commonbore at the end of the day!

[Red AH SRI T]

But i'll have none of this BioFuel rubbish, put my V8 back under the hood dammit!!!!



Very short sighted.

that IS a V8 under the bonnet. The fact that it runs on 85% ethanol and 15% petrol means stuff all.

In fact it should be a bonus. If Holden's BioFuel set up is anything like Saab's BioPower set up then the engine will make MORE power running on E85.

Still don't want anything to do with BioFuel?

[btm]

If there is a SS-V or a Calais-V then it will be my next car.

not to mention a HSV model too ;)

[bornwild]

It's just another Holden/Commonbore at the end of the day!

Probably about sums up this car ;)

[USC]

Probably about sums up this car ;)

A commonWhore...everyone will have one.

[xplosv57]

Very short sighted.

that IS a V8 under the bonnet. The fact that it runs on 85% ethanol and 15% petrol means stuff all.

In fact it should be a bonus. If Holden's BioFuel set up is anything like Saab's BioPower set up then the engine will make MORE power running on E85.

Still don't want anything to do with BioFuel?

Sounds too good to be true, but i guess we'll wait and see!!! If it does have more power than a regular petrol motor, then heck i'm all for it!! But till i see evidence of it, ill stick with the petrol stuff for now!!



A commonWhore...everyone will have one.

Oh well, commonwhore it may be, but popularity isn't a bad thing!!! I love my commodores!!!

[oneightoo]

doesnt brazil use 100% ethanol?

[poita]

the only thing im worried about ethanol is the fuel is a lot drier, and the top end of the motor doesnt get lubricated enough.
yes fuel consumption may be better, power may be better.
but wat about wen u have to rebuild ur top end every 100k or less?

[MatsHolden]

Top marks to the boys at Holden Design for this effort.

[Shaun]

not to mention a HSV model too ;)

if HSV do a Sports Wagon then i would go for it!! Think RS4 Audi Advant apeal and Australian Built Mussle.

[bornwild]

I can't see the RS4 appeal there.....I really tried hard to see it but just can't:p

[Shaun]

I can't see the RS4 appeal there.....I really tried hard to see it but just can't:p

Considering " IF " HSV build a Sportsback Version they will be half the cost and Just pump out just as much power i can see the Appeal .

Considering an RS4 is close to the $200k mark and a HSV Sports back would come in arround the 70-80k mark .

[bornwild]

HSV sure will make a sports combi but....RS4 is....just a different league.

But yeah, you are right it will be a good bang for your buck car :)

[USC]

HSV sure will make a sports combi but....RS4 is....just a different league.

But yeah, you are right it will be a good bang for your buck car :)


I dont believe in that..its cheap because they have cut corners somewhere....

[entice]

MY EXPERIENCE ON ETHANOLS IS THAT FUEL CONSUMPTION IS INCREASED...

I like it.. dont really care what powers it.. it's a wagon.. it'll be used to lug stuff around, not for circuit work at winton.. at least in my family that's what'd be for

2 q's.

how much, and when?

[bornwild]

I dont believe in that..its cheap because they have cut corners somewhere....

Of course it is...it's just dangerous to say that in public. If you want my honest opinion about the VE....it's utter shit.

[USC]

Of course it is...it's just dangerous to say that in public. If you want my honest opinion about the VE....it's utter shit.

ouch...that was a big harsh:p ..haha

[Wraith]

MY EXPERIENCE ON ETHANOLS IS THAT FUEL CONSUMPTION IS INCREASED...

I like it.. dont really care what powers it.. it's a wagon.. it'll be used to lug stuff around, not for circuit work at winton.. at least in my family that's what'd be for

2 q's.

how much, and when?

LOL, I think the job description you've given the VE wagon is what 99.9% of people buying it will be using it for :)

I think anyone who views any large wagon in a more sporting role than that, is definitely looking at the wrong car configuration !!

Maybe there's some info regarding those questions on Holdens website ??

IMHO Best looking Aussie wagon ever :)

[Shaun]

I cant wait to see if HSV run with a Sports Wagon . I think they could just really could do a lot with an Upmarket Version like the Senitor Sedan.

[maloo97]

I cant wait to see if HSV run with a Sports Wagon . I think they could just really could do a lot with an Upmarket Version like the Senitor Sedan.

They did back in 92. Vp. Either in a 6 or a 8.

Only made 43 of them.

[poita]

here it is maloo, its a VT Senator Estate

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Senator Signature Estate 195i:
Engine : 5.0-Litre. V8
Transmission : 5-speed manual (standard)
4-speed automatic (optional)
Power : 195kW at 5,200rpm
Torque : 430Nm at 3,600rpm


Senator Signature Estate 220i:
Engine : 5.7-Litre. V8
Transmission : 4-speed automatic.
Power : 220kW at 4,800rpm
Torque : 475Nm at 3,600rpm


more pics and a full spec list
http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/wagon/wagon_specs.htm

[USC]

hm....not sure about a sportswagon...a wagon is like a van...used to carry goods and stuff...i guess some people might like a pimped wagon...:p

[maloo97]

Oh yes pete the senator i remember that one.
Nother one just came to mind to any one remember the Manta, Vs i think.

pete just saying in the last post that holden / Hsv Built a sport wagon back in the the vp series.

[Black Nugget]

lol everyone is bagging out the "commonwhore" but appart from the VXR and Vectra owners astras and corsa's are not rare or uncommon cars by any stretch of the imagination....

[USC]

lol everyone is bagging out the "commonwhore" but appart from the VXR and Vectra owners astras and corsa's are not rare or uncommon cars by any stretch of the imagination....

yeh, and how many AH sri-t`s have u seen on the road?

[Black Nugget]

yeh, and how many AH sri-t`s have u seen on the road?

but as others say about the HSVs or commodore wagons,the SRi-t its still an astra underneath:p

don't get me wrong i love opel cars but i just think its a bit hypocriticial thats all.

[USC]

but as others say about the HSVs or commodore wagons,the SRi-t its still an astra underneath:p

don't get me wrong i love opel cars but i just think its a bit hypocriticial thats all.

true....but an astra is not a lorry or a van or a wagon....;)

[Black Nugget]

true....but an astra is not a lorry or a van or a wagon....;)

i agree, although if you have a sunroof, they can carry planks of wood rather well.:D

[USC]

hahaha...dodgem cars :)

[Red AH SRI T]

doesnt brazil use 100% ethanol?

Not for the Commodore, the Commodre sent to Brazil runs on E24 i believe.


the only thing im worried about ethanol is the fuel is a lot drier, and the top end of the motor doesnt get lubricated enough.
yes fuel consumption may be better, power may be better.
but wat about wen u have to rebuild ur top end every 100k or less?

I believe Holden made changes (although i'm not sure what they were) to the engines to allow them to run on E10. I'm sure that these rebuilds wouldn't be needed on something designed to run on such a fuel.


MY EXPERIENCE ON ETHANOLS IS THAT FUEL CONSUMPTION IS INCREASED...



Yes cars that run on Ethanol use more fuel due to ethanol producing less energy than petrol. This is set off my the fact that Ethanol fuels are cheaper to purchase than pure petrol.

I filled up our Saab 9-5 Biopower with E85 for 95 CENTS a litre!

[Tfer]

Not a fan, but kudos for Holden for continuing with this theme..... :)

[Red AH SRI T]

These pics were taken by HATZI from www.ls1.com.au
Fully uncovered VE SS Sportwagon.

A few things to note;
Total lack of badging besides the Holden lions
Standard SS trim however it has the SS-V Coloured Dash option.
Coloured dash is only on the top panels of the dash, unlike the current MY8.5 series that has coloured top and lower sections
Brake rotors sitting in the back???


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[Red AH SRI T]

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[Wraith]

mmmm nice, I still like this thing alot :)

[Huhness]

Black is not the best colour for it.... :(

Rotors and pads in the back is weird??

Is the new Torana here yet?? :p

[Wraith]

Is the new Torana here yet?? :p

Oh yeah, can't wait for that one myself :)

Hope it's fitted with a V8 power train though :pray:

[Huhness]

Oh yeah, can't wait for that one myself :)

Hope it's fitted with a V8 power train though :pray:
Or a supercharged V6!

[MatsHolden]

Nice, have to keep a look out for this one!

[MatsHolden]

Or a supercharged V6!

Think turbocharged would be more likely on the new 6!

[Huhness]

Think turbocharged would be more likely on the new 6!
Why not throw both in?

[Vectracious]

Why not throw both in?

Imagine bying a Commodore with a 2.8 or something in it - people would have a fit!

(just going by the VW Golf GT example - 1.4 TSI motor)

[EL BURITO]

Imagine bying a Commodore with a 2.8 or something in it - people would have a fit!

(just going by the VW Golf GT example - 1.4 TSI motor)
yer cos they are stupid

some ppl are so blind sighted

[Wraith]

Imagine bying a Commodore with a 2.8 or something in it - people would have a fit!

(just going by the VW Golf GT example - 1.4 TSI motor)

Agree, being a revamped 'TORANA' it's more or less expected to have a V8 :)

Info so far suggests a TT V6 for the top sports variant, hope they include a V8 in there, N/A will do, enthusiasts will fit their own forced induction :D - if they go to a TSI (I highly doubt it) it would make more sense to use the existing 3.6ltr V6 ;)

[poita]

not sure about ther slopin roof on it.

[rjastra]

I thought the T'rana was to be designed to ONLY accept 4/6 cylinder engines?

You would expect no V8s in the line up at all.

[poita]

Had a look at one of the 'sportwagons' today at the local dealership.
I dont mind them at all.
Its very euro looking.
The one here is jsut the omega, im guessing thats the base model?
The misses even liked it more than here beloved mazda 6 wagon, which has gone south in the stylin department in the new range :( interior is very tacky, but thats another story

[Wraith]

Havn't seen one in the flesh yet, but still reckon the full sports version looks HOT...

I'm guessing it will only look better in real life, most cars often do look better in the metal compared with pics :)