Hi Everybody!

[5tumpy]

Hi All!


My name is Bryce, I don't drive an opel/holden, I'm a proud Ford man, but my sister just had to have the XC Barina, and it's up to Dad and I to keep it running, which is why I've joined this site, as we know didly about the lil "Beep, Beep"...


Anyways, I'll be checking this out with interest, seeing what you guys do your cars.


One thing I'm really interested in though, is why Holden drivers seem to be hell bent on calling their cars another brand's, eg, dunnydores with chevy badges, and you guys with your opel badges.


No trying to cause trouble, just intrigued by it!

[Tfer]

Hi All!


My name is Bryce, I don't drive an opel/holden, I'm a proud Ford man, but my sister just had to have the XC Barina, and it's up to Dad and I to keep it running, which is why I've joined this site, as we know didly about the lil "Beep, Beep"...


Anyways, I'll be checking this out with interest, seeing what you guys do your cars.


One thing I'm really interested in though, is why Holden drivers seem to be hell bent on calling their cars another brand's, eg, dunnydores with chevy badges, and you guys with your opel badges.


No trying to cause trouble, just intrigued by it!

Hi Bryce, and welcome to Opelaus.... lots to see and read about, and more specifically about the Corsa (read Barina) :D

Whilst Ford is Ford worldwide, General Motors has many different names, depending on location etc.

The reason we would call our "Holden" an Opel, quite simply is due to the fact the car originally was designed for the Opel market (mainly Germany), and in most cases, generally speaking, is an Opel badged a "Holden" ;)

Opels in Australia are:

Corsa (Barina, but not the Suzuki nor Daewoo derived models)
Tigra
Astra (called Astra o'seas)
Zafira
Calibra (one sexy rare coupe)
VectraI personally am not a big fan of either Ford Australia or Holden, but love my Opel Vectra CDXi... which is European :dance: not Australian :clap:

My 2 cents....

Hope that clarifies your query :)

[btm]

Welcome Bryce!

Tfer has done a pretty good explanation above there.

And as to why you see Holden utes (mainly) badged as Chev's, its due to the 5.7L block sitting under the bonnet :D

[Calibrated]

Well said Thomas.

I would just like to add, that most of the "Holden" Opels, were merely rebadged to "Holden"
and often rather poorly.

As with my Calibra, everything about the Car is Opel, badged and documented accordingly. only the exterior badges say holden. (which are in the process of being opelised.)

[Calibrated]

*Side Note, i am from South Africa, where Opel is our Brand..and having 3 previous Opels, Calibra being the 4th, i am very brand loyal, and driving a "holden" is rather disturbing..

at least when i open the engine bay, i am delighted to see Opel everywhere.

[Calibrated]

This will clear everything up for you rather well

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holden

[poita]

not all fords are fords, my laser is a mazda 323
and the courier is a mazda bravo.
i wont go into it though, we could be here all year about that :P

on the opel side of things, well the car is originally an opel thats y im proud to display my opel badging :) cept for the stupid air bag wheel.
and where i am there arent too many opelaus members so it makes it stand out, not that a calibra doesnt enough already :D:D

[OPC]

not all fords are fords, my laser is a mazda 323
and the courier is a mazda bravo.
i wont go into it though, we could be here all year about that :P

:D:D

i can also put my 2 cents in here and say that the XR5 runs a VOLVO engine...

[auzvectra]

tfer wrapped most of it up, but left out the combo :p.
also to add to what has been said, most of the parts on the engine are labeled opel on most of them, even the drive belt tensioner has opel and the blitz on it on my astra ;).
also, some of the plates on the car are still badged with opel too, like the sticker on the drivers door, although the combo has holden on it now :(.

[5tumpy]

Originally Posted by Poita http://www.opelaus.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.opelaus.com/forum/showthread.php?p=225122#post225122)
not all fords are fords, my laser is a mazda 323
and the courier is a mazda bravo.
i wont go into it though, we could be here all year about that :P

:D:D
i can also put my 2 cents in here and say that the XR5 runs a VOLVO engine...i can also put my 2 cents in here and say that the XR5 runs a VOLVO engine...

Yes, but you don't see laser drivers putting Mazda badges on them, nor couriers, oh and the XR5 does have a Volvo engine in it, one that munches the astra turbos I might add :P but again, you don't see volvo badges on it do ya guys???


Can't say I blame you though, if I was driving a holden, I'd be so ashamed of it, I'd be calling it anything but a Holden too! :P j/k guys...

[auzvectra]

i think you miss the point, i know what you are saying, but these cars (most of them) actually are opel, they literally deliver them as opel/vauxhal spec and holden sticks their badges on instead, thus how you can order the car without the badges installed ( i inquired with holden :)).
the nissan pulsar-holden astra
mazda 323-ford laser, are not identicle cars.
different tail lights, headlights, grills, interiors ect.....

[EL BURITO]

Hi Stumpy.

as a note if i was the buy a XR4 witch is being considerd i would be rebadgeing it as a ST.

Holden and Ford Austraila have nothing do with the car besides sell them, changing them to the badges they were origanally intended. + plus it makes my car a little unique, how many ppl at work come up to me and go WTF is your car, its funny

[5tumpy]

It's actually an XR5 mate, the XR4 is only a rumour at this stage (it's said to be a turbo-charged Fiesta) and even then, I fail to see the point of rebadging it, it's sold and badged here as a holden, therefore it's a holden... It'd be like someone taking the holden badges off one of the new barinas and rebadging them as daewoos....

[xplosv57]

Well all to their own i guess, but re badging cars makes your car unique, something when i changed mine, so it didn't look the same as other cars!!! I guess you wouldn't know cos Fords are Fords everywhere, not rebadged anywhere, only models shared with Mazda, which then u can choose either!!! If ya don't get it then don't worry, most people here know what its all about!!!

By the way, welcome, hope your sister enjoys the new car!!!!

[EL BURITO]

It's actually an XR5 mate, the XR4 is only a rumour at this stage (it's said to be a turbo-charged Fiesta) and even then, I fail to see the point of rebadging it, it's sold and badged here as a holden, therefore it's a holden... It'd be like someone taking the holden badges off one of the new barinas and rebadging them as daewoos....
WTF are u on about the XR4 is due for release in July. I have seen the Info from the ford dealer, plus they had one at the Perth Moter Show. It is going to be mid $20's and is a NA with 110KW

[5tumpy]

Well I'll be damned, your right mate, my apologies. It's going to be a Fiesta with a tweaked Focus engine in it.


Sorry guys, my area of expertise is Falcons, wouldn't drive a wannabe go-kart if you paid me, but that's not the point....



Xplosv, mate I don't know where to begin there, there are more ways to make your car different than badging it as something it's not... My Falcon is unique, but I did it by actually enhancing the car, not by putting another car company's badges on it to make seem more upmarket...

[auzvectra]

but as most of us believe, taking the holden badges off is enhancing the car ;).
and then to make the car more euro, as it was attended (and to cover the holes left by the badges) we put the opel badges on.
also help to point out mejmbers, as 95% of the opelised cars are members :).

[5tumpy]

Can't say I blame you though, if I was driving a holden, I'd be so ashamed of it, I'd be calling it anything but a Holden too! :P j/k guys...



I suspected that ausvectra... lol...

[missxc]

Sorry guys, my area of expertise is Falcons, wouldn't drive a wannabe go-kart if you paid me, but that's not the point....



Ha Ha, Your getting more and more popular here by the minute! Keep up the good work mate LOL!

[5tumpy]

lol... Sorry guys, I always have to be the smartarse...


Just remember, What is right is not alway popular, and what is popular is not always right! :P

[xplosv57]

Xplosv, mate I don't know where to begin there, there are more ways to make your car different than badging it as something it's not... My Falcon is unique, but I did it by actually enhancing the car, not by putting another car company's badges on it to make seem more upmarket...

Well obviously theres other ways to enhance your car other than badging, badging is just one aspect of it!!!! Plus i badged mine to somethin it was originally, checked the build plate and it was built by Opel and hence why it was badged that way!!!!

Maybe if you still disagree, i suggest you let it go, everyone is entitled to do what they like to their own car, if you disagree, then so be it!!!!

Is it just me, or am i sensing a bit of our old mate roger here???

[5tumpy]

Just because in other country it is badged as an Opel, doesn't make your cars opel. Like I said it'd be like people who own the current model barina changing the badges back to daewoo badges, ridiculous...

[xplosv57]

Well youre right, and all of us here are all wrong, so lets all remove our Opel badges and put on Holden badges cos we all must be wrong!!!!!!!!

(This sarcasm is killing me LOL!!!!)

You do what you like with your Falcon and well do what we like with our cars, full stop. Get over it.

[oneightoo]

if i owned a ford tx5 id rebadge it as a mazda 626 eclipse.. wouldnt want a ford badge in my driveway lol..

my calibra is rebadged as opel.. because i like the opel badge better, but im still a very big holden man..

but im sure you enjoy your barge like falcon handling, so im super pumped that you're happy with that :)

[Dee]

i just like the look of the badging :D much better than the lion

Why do we do it - THEY ARE OUR CARS AND BECAUSE WE WANT TO

[5tumpy]

Just shows how ill-informed you are mate. My falcon sticks to the road like shit to a blanket, and has more KW and torque at the wheels than most of your cars do at the bloody flywheel.

At least Ford manages to build and engineer its own cars, not let someone else do all the hard work, not to mention the datsun 180B-spec IRS that commonwhores still use...


You people are nuts, seriously. Not to mention completely useless with advice, is there a single mechanic amongst you, or do you all just pay other people to do your mods for you?



if i owned a ford tx5 id rebadge it as a mazda 626 eclipse.. wouldnt want a ford badge in my driveway lol..

my calibra is rebadged as opel.. because i like the opel badge better, but im still a very big holden man..

but im sure you enjoy your barge like falcon handling, so im super pumped that you're happy with that :)

[Tfer]

Just shows how ill-informed you are mate. My falcon sticks to the road like shit to a blanket, and has more KW and torque at the wheels than most of your cars do at the bloody flywheel.

At least Ford manages to build and engineer its own cars, not let someone else do all the hard work, not to mention the datsun 180B-spec IRS that commonwhores still use...


You people are nuts, seriously. Not to mention completely useless with advice, is there a single mechanic amongst you, or do you all just pay other people to do your mods for you?

Could this really be Roger, our long lost "friend"? :p

[5tumpy]

Nope, my name is Bryce... Not that it matters...

[oneightoo]

you're right... it doesnt...

[Tfer]

Nope, my name is Bryce... Not that it matters...

Okay, glad we cleared that up. :D

BTW, I hate Commodores and Falcons, with equal passion. ;)

Each to their own, so I respect you like your Falcon. :)

My 2 cents.....

[oneightoo]

Just shows how ill-informed you are mate. My falcon sticks to the road like shit to a blanket, and has more KW and torque at the wheels than most of your cars do at the bloody flywheel.

At least Ford manages to build and engineer its own cars, not let someone else do all the hard work, not to mention the datsun 180B-spec IRS that commonwhores still use...


You people are nuts, seriously. Not to mention completely useless with advice, is there a single mechanic amongst you, or do you all just pay other people to do your mods for you?

ooooooh someones a little touchy.. whats wrong mate, can dish it, but cant take it.. thought you were a smart ass..

and no, i do all my own, except anything electrical, which my dad helps with..

your falcon sticks to the road like shit.. spot on buddy.. it is shit.. just get a bowler hat for the parcel shelf..

look up VE commodore..

if you want advice, you ask, you get.. if you want to come here and insult a community, you will get shit flung at you.. dont like it? then click that little red "Log Out" button and dont come back..

[Tfer]

ooooooh someones a little touchy.. whats wrong mate, can dish it, but cant take it.. thought you were a smart ass..

if you want advice, you ask, you get.. if you want to come here and insult a community, you will get shit flung at you.. dont like it? then click that little red "Log Out" button and dont come back..

Well said! :clap:

[JasonGilholme]

The funny thing is that they're not holden built, they're not holden designed . They're just holden sold.

They're designed, built and imported from germany (dunno where exactly tho)

If the name on the compliance plate was holden it'd be a different story. Mine says Opel Corsa so i badge it accordingly.

Also, it doesn't matter what you've got at the flywheel or at the wheels. it matters how fast it goes.

Figures are for women, runnin is for men and i bet you my little NA 1.6 honda will be door to door, or even in front, of your high capacity heavy ass ford built, engineered and sold car.

Also, there are mechanics/DIY guys here. (puts hand up) And if you ask a technical question/comment you will get a technical answer. If you ask a shit question/comment you will get shit.

Peace

Jase

[xplosv57]

What model Falcon do you own and what kind of power is it making??

[JasonGilholme]

and how much does it weigh.....

I'd laugh if its an executive BAHAHAHHAH

[OPC]

oh and the XR5 does have a Volvo engine in it, one that munches the astra turbos I might add :P but again,



hahaha will never munch my astra old or new ...

N00B knows nothing about GM opel/vauxhall/chev or holden dont even know about fords cos he didnt know the XR4 was real bahahahaha

bet he didnt even know the XR5 had a volvo engine in it till i told him

go back to driving your taxi buddy

[auzvectra]

hhhmmm, no mechanics none of us do our own work, read my sig!!!

and well, yeah the old ford would need a lot of talk to keep up with you ;).
meet me at the strip, the car will be back on the road in a few weeks, the motor is currently on the engine stand in the garage.

[auzvectra]

oh yeah, by the way the rear end in the commodore's is designed from the rear end out of the calibra, and has been since it was released in the VR commodore, till the VE commop that is!
and most people think their cars handle well, till they get overtaken by a car that does handle well.

[poita]

well according to the plates in my engine bay teh car is an Adam Opel.
so i dont see nay harm in puttin opel badges on it.
plus as said before i think the opel flash looks nicer than the holden lion.
and i have seen plenty of TX5's gettin around that have been rebadged.
there is one in Gladstone that has FADZA in big letters up the side of it.

im sure if we got onto you stupid little ford website and bagged out your piece of shit falcon we would get flamed as you are.



dont light fires and expect not to get burnt

[OPC]

im sure if we got onto you stupid little ford website and bagged out your piece of shit falcon we would get flamed as you are.



dont light fires and expect not to get burnt

booyaaaah too short message

[5tumpy]

Yeah probably poiter, but then again, if you came on our site asking for advise, you wouldn't get a "I dunno, I've never seen an auto before" I know guys that will actually scan pages from there ford mechanic only issued factory manuals.


You guys on the other hand, just post that BS, and ignore the bloody thread, hence my comments regarding the lack of people with any mechanical know-how.

[OPC]

Yeah probably poiter, but then again, if you came on our site asking for advise, you wouldn't get a "I dunno, I've never seen an auto before" I know guys that will actually scan pages from there ford mechanic only issued factory manuals.


You guys on the other hand, just post that BS, and ignore the bloody thread, hence my comments regarding the lack of people with any mechanical know-how.


NO u actually asked a question for your sister then flammed us about our choice of badges hence our comments

what brother would do that ? you said you came here to help your sister but all i see is ignorance...

and as my missus asked me "what kind of MAN if u are one would need to come on a website for his SISTER to find out stuff for her car when he could go to HOLDEN and get a quicker answer?"

so i put it to you now that you dont have a sister that owns a BEEP BEEP and you only came here to bag us out...

and like i said b4 mohamed go back to your 1900kg taxi

[mr_sikma]

Yeah probably poiter, but then again, if you came on our site asking for advise, you wouldn't get a "I dunno, I've never seen an auto before" I know guys that will actually scan pages from there ford mechanic only issued factory manuals.


You guys on the other hand, just post that BS, and ignore the bloody thread, hence my comments regarding the lack of people with any mechanical know-how.

looks like we got ourselves a full blown bogan ;)

how is that XD X-Flow going mate?

[poita]

i bet its a wagon too, white, with 3 broken door handles

[oneightoo]

and a coat hanger for an antenna..

[poita]

bent into the map australia too