Exhaust systems & ECU Tune

[Ishley]

Earlier this afternoon, I went an saw a guy i know called Trevor, who owns and operates CES (Custom Exhaust Specialists), to inquire about an exhaust package for my SRiT. I also asked about a system for the 1.8Ltr motor that is in the Astra G & H range, as well as the Corsa SRi, and a system for the VXR.

Now keeping in mind these systems are custom made by experts. I know this as they made a full exhaust system, hedders and a CAI for the Corolla Sportivo (my previous car), that was flawless. They also make an exhaust system for the WRX & STI that is backed by the WRX Club of QLD. They have made stuff for the jet powered Dohnut King Hiace van, the C.A.P.A drift Monaro, as well as the WPS V8 Supercar team, and thats only to mention a few.

Ok so below i will lists what each system contains and the price he has given me. *All systems will be dB tested to be within legal limits*

Astra G & H SRiT and VXR:
3 inch stainless steel system (can use mild steel for a cheaper option)
3 inch stainless steel flex
3 inch high flow cat *
3 inch oval resonator
3 inch oval muffler
4 inch tip

$2600.00

For all 06 on model cars the 3 inch cat can only be used inconjunction with the ECU tune, due to new EURO4 emission laws. A new EURO4 compliant cat can be used at a cost of $500, where as the EURO3 cat is about $300.

It is strongly advised that a ECU tune be done immediately after the exhaust system has been put on, to stop boost spiking and to over ride the ECU's O2 sensor.

Trevor rang a guy he knows that owns Bayside Preformance Shop, who can do the ECU Tune for all Euro cars (the one Turblue and Ausvectra have talked about). They expect that from the exhaust system and ECU Tune, a gain of 55hp or 40kW at the wheels is more then realistic. An ECU Tune will cost $1650, James would need the car for 3 days to do the tune properly.

Astra 1.8Ltr N/A motor included the Corsa SRi:
Custom headers
Flex joint
Cat converter *
2 and 1/4 mild steel system
Lukey resonator
Custom Stainless Steel muffler
Modify rear bumper *
Stainless steel tip *

$2230.00

It could be possible to retain the standard cat on the 1.8Ltr, but if not a new one will be $250 and is included in the price above.

Due to the standard muffler sitting up behind the rear bumper they will cut the bumper to fit the new muffler out, it will be done so it looks like has not been cut.

You will get to choose what kind of tips you would like on the end (single or twin), this could affect the price pending which one you choose.

The ECU tune is also strongly advised as to avoid O2 sensor problems for all 06 onwards models. An approx. Hp/kW gain has not yet been suggested.

I understand these are not cheap, but you are paying for top quality products and service. I just want peoples thoughts on what i have posted above. Feel free to look around CES's website www.cesracing.com.au (http://www.cesracing.com.au) to check out there other products. Dee, Janelle (Nina) and myself can vouch for there previous products. All exhaust systems can be freighted around Australia and beyond if need be.

[auzvectra]

I just want peoples thoughts on what i have posted above.

careful, ur stealing our ecu tuning bussiness :p.
at 4 times the price but :(.

[auzvectra]

oh yes, and i beleive that bps has the exact same tune as we use.
and claim 170hp and 310nm with just the tune.

[Ishley]

careful, ur stealing our ecu tuning bussiness :p.
at 4 times the price but :(.
Indeed, but arent you guys a while off getting the money for the equipment anyway?

[Turblue]

At this point I will not be buying any further equipment to do the AH range of cars. The outlay is way beyond the interest and possible returns.

Bayside uses the Byteshooter tools, and is capable of flashing your car. I seriously doubt that he writes the files. He will have a supplier overseas.

Good luck ..!!

[Turblue]

By the way....

You are being so screwed at that price for a tune..!!!!

[luvpsi]

takes 3 days to do the tune??? more like 30 min;) no way:mad: as turblue said, im 99% sure that the tune is provided from overseas and in no way written here. Lets face it, why would you develop an inhouse tune when there is proven and tested one already available

[luvpsi]

and a 40kw increase at the wheels with ECU tune and exhaust is not really realistic IMHO especially if the stock IC is retained:rolleyes:

[Shaun]

Ishley,
1st question is to find out if its a "Dyno Tune" or "Flash Tune" if its a dyno tune then i think the price is quite fair considering the labour that goses into dyno tuning one of these cars.

its a fair price though if its a dyno tune like SAS offer in sydney. If it is it will be a smooth power curve if they are dyno tuning the car on the dyno. You cant beat a DYNO tune done on the dyno .I dont like off the shelf tunes. Mert where its due . Waynes map offers good gains is great for "bang for Buck" as i have tested the map in my SRi T G and could feel the gains from the map.


If the exhaust is a CNC mandrel bent then it is a reasonable price. If they make exhaust compoents for WPS V8 Supercar team i have a feeling they would have CNC Mandrel Bent Equipment.

Let me make a suggestion guys with the AH SRi T. Why not wait and see what Walkinshaw Preformance offer. I have a feeling that it may be worth it . Maybe email them and find out how long before they will be offering there remaps and see what they have in the works.

[RudeOne]

i have just emailed them. re ah sri turbo & vxr's
will let you know

[OPC]

and a 40kw increase at the wheels with ECU tune and exhaust is not really realistic IMHO especially if the stock IC is retained:rolleyes:


yeah im pretty sure MR T got about that with standard cooler...

and i agree with shaun... id rather go to a qualified tuner with a dyno than a backyarder

[Ishley]

This is definately not a 10 minute flash tune!!! It is a PROPER dyno tune, hence why the car is needed for 3 days. James includes trying multiple cold starts, to see the tune works properly.

If you wish to know more i suggest calling them direct. I am only passing on the information that was given to me by the people who provide the product. I know i would rather take my car to CES and BPS to have it done by professionals, then to have a flash tune done at the Spit or where ever you guys do it in Melbourne, as i have zero recoarse with you guys if & when something goes wrong. :(

I thought that by researching and offering a product that is not readily available especially to the Astra H owners out there, that it would be appreciated. Unfortunately the H range isn't popular enough to cheap after market parts available...

[blueraven]

This is definately not a 10 minute flash tune!!! It is a PROPER dyno tune, hence why the car is needed for 3 days.
...

What a complete load of BS. My car took 4 hours on the dyno to do the initial tune(which is the hardest, they can do it in about 2 now...). This guy is charging DOUBLE what i paid for a custom stainless exhuast, made from mandrel bends in 316 stainless, from one of the best fabricators in WA.

His charge for a tune is a joke, for that kind of money you could have a haltech/unichip fitted and have it re-tuned twice (or buy 3 of turblues tools/maps). if you really believe he will have your car on the dyno for 3 days then by all means pay him, but i put money on the fact he will have half a dozen cars a day on that dyno. Ask anyone with a jap car that has had a tune, the usual quote is 3hrs, 3 days is just insulting. Even SAS charges about a grand for a full tune, and they only ask for the car for one day.

[luvpsi]

I know i would rather take my car to CES and BPS to have it done by professionals, then to have a flash tune done at the Spit or where ever you guys do it in Melbourne, as i have zero recoarse with you guys if & when something goes wrong. :(

you really think that if your motor goes bang with one of these CES or BPS tunes, that they will take responsibility for it???? good luck mate:D the answer will be something like this: "Things go wrong when modifying cars sometimes, sorry..." or they will simply deny the fact that ur motor s*** itself because of their ECU tune;)

[auzvectra]

ok, now i wasnt knocking this guys tune, in fact what i said was i beleive he has the same tune as us, but obviously he does a slight (or heavy) modifactaionto it.
and i would appriciate it if others on here (sorry ishley not you) would not knock our tune and capabilities please, especially if you do not have it done to your own car!

[Turblue]

100% agree Nik.

Having a good understanding of the costs involved, you are getting ripped so bad. Hey, I'd love to charge that..!!!!! Hmm.... 20+ cars @ $1500 each... Yep. that's my car paid off.!!!

I doubt you have any understanding of what chiptuning is about Ash, but it's your money so go for your life. I honestly don't care.

The advantage I have is a degree of understanding. Having compared maps I can what has been changed. You'd be surprised. No idle, cold start maps were touched. The whole map does not need to be done. Only a few things need to be changed.

Chiptuners do not want you to understand anything. Ask them exactly what is done. They won't tell you. All you will get is fluff. "Oh you know we tweak the boost and fueling." No kidding..!!!!! Ask them EXACTLY which maps were changed and why.

If you also believe that you will gain 40kw in the top end, you are also being mislead.

As example. QSZ just buy files from OS and sell them for $1500. That's about $1000 profit. I buy files for around $500. So if I did AH cars, I would charge around $900 per car. Mainly due to the fact I have to pay off $12000+ worth of hardware..!!! There is little interest, so therefore it is just not worth it.

As I said earlier, I am not going to import the hardware to do the AH series.

So, Ash and Mohawk, you won't have to worry about this "Backyarder" doing your car.

[Tfer]

Ashley, thanks for providing the contact details for the exhaust guys, as that seems like a really good place to start the hunt for a full complete exhaust system for the Vectra.

Really appreciate it :)

[CJB]

Ashley said what are your thoughts on this package.

He didn't say everyone has to do it, nor did he say he was doing it just yet.

Like Trevor at CES said yesterday, there are things to be considered, like warranty before you go messing around like this.

[Turblue]

And thoughts are what we gave.

Just because they have a business name does not make them experts. They will not warrant you if the engine goes bang. Just like Luvpsi said. I won't either.

If you do not like the answers, then fine..!! :)

[Tfer]

Ashley said what are your thoughts on this package.

He didn't say everyone has to do it, nor did he say he was doing it just yet.

Like Trevor at CES said yesterday, there are things to be considered, like warranty before you go messing around like this.


And thoughts are what we gave.

Just because they have a business name does not make them experts. They will not warrant you if the engine goes bang. Just like Luvpsi said. I won't either.

If you do not like the answers, then fine..!! :)

There are always two sides to every story..... and here they are. And the great thing is everyone is entitled to their own opinion and are responsible for their own decisions. If you post something here, then your thoughts are open to commenting on by others. Information is a wonderful thing, and I have learnt heaps from just this one thread. :)

[Dee]

i'll definately be heading to see Trevor when i'm buying an exhaust :D maybe even cold air intake while he's at it :D and headers off a 2ZZ engine :D mmmmmm

seeing what he can do to a toyota with a little metal pipe has convinced me of that.


p.s. thanks Ashley for doing the ground work ;) you rock babe

[dug74]

As i have no idea what is invloved...i have seen on the mazda forums, zorst and dyno tunes...and the guy seems rather expensive...but as i have a jap car...things maybe cheaper than euro...so i cannot really comment.

Ausvectra and Turblue know what they are talking about and i would hardly call both of them *backyarders*. Keep up the good work :clap:

I thank Ashley for his help towards the forum and whether you like his information or not...so ppl here will take it on boards...

Each to their own...

Cheers
DUG74

[Tfer]

As i have no idea what is invloved...i have seen on the mazda forums, zorst and dyno tunes...and the guy seems rather expensive...but as i have a jap car...things maybe cheaper than euro...so i cannot really comment.

Ausvectra and Turblue know what they are talking about and i would hardly call both of them *backyarders*. Keep up the good work :clap:

I thank Ashley for his help towards the forum and whether you like his information or not...so ppl here will take it on boards...

Each to their own...

Cheers
DUG74

Dug.... agreed :)

[auzvectra]

and i agree with tfer agreeing with dug :).
just think all this because i had a joke with ash :(.

[JasonGilholme]

money doesn't always equal power.

Theres plenty of different ways i could get more power out of my honda but i only do the ones that are good bang for buck. This doesn't mean you have to choose the cheapest part it just means you have to find a nice balance between power, price and quality.

You'll be surprised how good some of these "backyarders" can do some jobs. Most of the people with business names started off as backyarders. hell, i'll even admit it. i'm a backyarder! DIY ftw!

Good luck guys a girls.

[RudeOne]

Re: Tunes for ah sri T and VXR's

From Walkinshaw performance:

Hi Rudolph,

We are working on this but at this stage have no outlook as yet to give
you a definite date. This has proved to be a popular request and so we
are trying hard to get something out of the UK.

Please stay tuned to the website for updates.

Regards

[Shaun]

yeah im pretty sure MR T got about that with standard cooler...



Exactly what i though Mohawk. Its possible with the stock cooler.

[SSS_Hoon]

40kw over stock flywheel power maybe, but not at the wheels power that is for sure.


if that is the case then MR_T only had 96fwkw stock i dont think so....


it is possible with a stock cooler that is not what im saying dont get that part wrong.


I'm betting that places that do the re tune(flash) will have to give you some sort of warranty sure, but is that warranty however little it may be worth 3 times the price as you can get elsewhere and its most likly the same damm thing anyway.

there is nothing wrong with backyarders at all hell i'm one my dads one and my bro is also one(guess you could say it runs in the family). and it can sometimes take a backyarders way of thinking to get the most out of it, have a few examples of my own(dad's actually) but wont go into them here.


i would sugest that whoever you go with wether it be a company or wayne and the crew that you actually speak to the ppl that will be doing the work and ask as many questions as you can and get all the info you can. Not just from them but from ppl that have also had this work done and get thier thoughts on it also. as it could be risky going somewhere that has never done your type of car before and has no idea what they are doing.


SSS_Hoon

[OPC]

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if that is the case then MR_T only had 96fwkw stock i dont think so....



SSS_Hoon

yeah... im sure thats all they had when we went to ur dyno day years ago...

[SSS_Hoon]

the lowest i seen then have was 112 but that was not stock had a zorst i think.

but still u get what i mean.

SSS_Hoon

[blueraven]

the lowest i seen then have was 112 but that was not stock had a zorst i think.

SSS_Hoon

Does no-one remember my 90hp atw stock figure? :D well and truly blasted that out of the way...

[Ishley]

Ashley, thanks for providing the contact details for the exhaust guys, as that seems like a really good place to start the hunt for a full complete exhaust system for the Vectra.

Really appreciate it :)
No problem :D


And thoughts are what we gave.

Just because they have a business name does not make them experts. They will not warrant you if the engine goes bang. Just like Luvpsi said. I won't either.

If you do not like the answers, then fine..!! :)
I did not name just any company, but 2 that are very trustworthy and can offer expert advice, afterall they do this all day every day!

I know they wont replace my motor if something goes wrong, but they will certainly be more helpful in getting things fixed then any backyard'er...

After talking to James at BPS he told me the tune can take anywhere between 6 - 8 hours, maybe over night depending on the car. I made the mistake of saying 3 days. A basic tune will cost $1200, and a custom tune will be $1600. With the custom tune, he will tune the car and run dyno's until they & you are happy with where the tune is at. You can also bring the car back if you are not happy with certain parts of the tuning, and he will run more dyo's to try and sort the problem...

He does expect, that with a 2Ltr turbo, with the exhaust and tune that he would get 45 to 55hp. So until I or someone else has the evidence to back it up, we must put up or shut up....

[Shaun]

Ishley the car has 6,400 km on it right ? if so wait alittle while longer. As the engine is still bedding in.

On the warranty front im sure by law and that if its proven that Subseqental damage was caused by someone changing with a product then they would need to warrant what they have done and caused.

I will find out about it tonight when i get home. Im sure that all products sold in australia have to have a warranty attached to them.

[luvpsi]

He does expect, that with a 2Ltr turbo, with the exhaust and tune that he would get 45 to 55hp. So until I or someone else has the evidence to back it up, we must put up or shut up....

thought you said 40kw @ wheels increase earlier?

[Ishley]

thought you said 40kw @ wheels increase earlier?
45-55kw is what is expected, cannot have an exact figure until the work is done. Sorry i rounded off :o

[auzvectra]

and for the record, mine and others have dyno'd at 121kw @ the wheels in stock form.
i'm pretty sure glen was 1 of those aprox, or maybe his was the 118kw 1.

[Dee]

thought you said 40kw @ wheels increase earlier?

from the first post:

"a gain of 55hp or 40kW"

[Turblue]

Good Luck Dude...

If you think you will get 45-55kw, you'll be sadly disappointed.

One thing is for absolutely sure. You have guaranteed by your comments that there is no chance anyone will get a cheap tune for the AH range from Matt or myself.

Thanks for your support.

[Ishley]

Good Luck dude...

One thing is for absolutely sure. You have guaranteed that there is no chance anyone will get a cheap tune from Matt or myself.

thanks for your support.
You said for yourself, you had given up on the others models, as for lack or interest. That wasoff your own back before i even started looking. This was what made me look, because if you weren't doing anything, i would have to source something else.

This only started as a simple exhaust upgrade, until i found out that the ecu would need a tune to get the exhaust upgrade....

[Dee]

Wow Ashley, this looks just like a debate we've seen on another forum recently.

People now have a choice. It's a bit unfair to only have one option of tuning your car - who knows what someone else could do for you. Maybe we should keep all our secrets to ourselves.

Wayne, if the price for CES's tunes are too expensive, you shouldn't be worried about your business then, especially if you still have the cheap tunes.

[Shaun]

Wow Ashley, this looks just like a debate we've seen on another forum recently.

People now have a choice. It's a bit unfair to only have one option of tuning your car - who knows what someone else could do for you. Maybe we should keep all our secrets to ourselves.

Wayne, if the price for CES's tunes are too expensive, you shouldn't be worried about your business then, especially if you still have the cheap tunes.

Well Said Dee.

As ive said and Rudi has posted . Wait and see what Walkinshaw do. Like waynes product they will have figures and have a car that you will be able to exprience the product 1st hand. Beside do you really want to be playing with the ECU on a car thats just done over 6,000 km ??? i know i wouldnt be even thinking about it till it hits 30-40k on the clock.

[aza28]

Ishley,

I received a quote from these guys for $1800.00 - full 3" exhaust from turbo, S/S, hi-flow cat etc etc. that was for my Sri-T G... and I received that quote about 2 1/2 years ago. DB testing etc etc.

$2600.00 is quite a difference.... hmmmm??

[Mr T]

I haven't got the patients to read the whole thread...But Ish, you will be only the second Astra owner to get a Dyno Flash Tune...me being the first (and so far only).

SAS had my car for 3 days too...standard cost for this was $1500...there is no other "off the shelf" tune that is capable of out performing my car...in fact, to date, there has only been 1 car that has been quicker. Mohawk posted a 13.95 with similar mods to mine but with Pod filter and V. Very large FMIC.

Yeah sure an off the shelf tune will give you a gain, but a custom tune will get you the maximum because it is tuned to your car.

Results speak for themselves...go for it.

p.s. I got about 40KW atw in the midrange but with about 20KW at the top.

[auzvectra]

be careful with those claims MrT, i am so far the only sri-t to be run (that i know of) with this tune, and lets just say mine isnt a good example of 1.
also ur tune isnt really compareable, as thay have modified things that we dont really want to touch!
but we'll let you have this until a good example has been run, i here that i would like to see run, but he hasnt had a chance yet, i'm sure it will surprise you.

[Turblue]

Let me very clear in explaining my position.

The only way that I can bring a well priced tune (albeit generic) to the AH range is with the support of OA.

The dollar outlay for hardware and software is over $12,000. The cost per file (car) is in the order of $500 to have done overseas. And with a cost to the end User of say $850, profit is $350. Simple maths leads you to over 30 cars required, just to break even.

Now I fully understand that we all have choice. This is one of the fundamental Democratic Rights we all enjoy. Unfortunately for each person that decides to go elsewhere, the prospect of recovering costs nosedive. Ultimately to the point it is just not smart to invest money with no chance of a return.

This means that I cannot offer a cheaper alternative to anyone. And yes, this does upset me.

It is important that people realise that I am only interested in helping OA Members. It is not about making buckets of cash.

I apologise Ash if I have upset or offended you.

[MatsHolden]

Unless you're planning on some serious competitive track work, is it really worth spending money on a custom dyno tune? The difference in gains between a custom dyno tune and a 'generic' tune for everyday use would really be pretty un-noticable.

Also on the Walkinshaw Performance side of things, I wouldn't hold my breath, they are already considering not developing any further upgrades for the SRi Turbo as they are losing money on it already. They have to pay top notch engineers and spend huge amounts of time in development, they are simply putting too much into it for very few people who are buying the upgrades.

[Ishley]

Ishley,

I received a quote from these guys for $1800.00 - full 3" exhaust from turbo, S/S, hi-flow cat etc etc. that was for my Sri-T G... and I received that quote about 2 1/2 years ago. DB testing etc etc.

$2600.00 is quite a difference.... hmmmm??

Any euro model post 06, will have additional costs due to the new EURO4 emission laws. Also the usual rise in prices from year to year doesnt help :(

[Ishley]

Let me very clear in explaining my position.

The only way that I can bring a well priced tune (albeit generic) to the AH range is with the support of OA.

The dollar outlay for hardware and software is over $12,000. The cost per file (car) is in the order of $500 to have done overseas. And with a cost to the end User of say $850, profit is $350. Simple maths leads you to over 30 cars required, just to break even.

Now I fully understand that we all have choice. This is one of the fundamental Democratic Rights we all enjoy. Unfortunately for each person that decides to go elsewhere, the prospect of recovering costs nosedive. Ultimately to the point it is just not smart to invest money with no chance of a return.

This means that I cannot offer a cheaper alternative to anyone. And yes, this does upset me.

It is important that people realise that I am only interested in helping OA Members. It is not about making buckets of cash.

I apologise Ash if I have upset or offended you.
No harm no foul :)

[auzvectra]

yay were all happy in the end ;).
sorry to all for starting this, was just trying to make a joke :(.

[Mr T]

be careful with those claims MrT, i am so far the only sri-t to be run (that i know of) with this tune, and lets just say mine isnt a good example of 1.
also ur tune isnt really compareable, as thay have modified things that we dont really want to touch!
but we'll let you have this until a good example has been run, i here that i would like to see run, but he hasnt had a chance yet, i'm sure it will surprise you.

They're not claims mate...I've driven one and raced it, all other specs identical - even the colour.

What do you mean not comparable...??? Thats what we are talking about here aren't we.

I'm happy to say what is changed with my car...hell I paid $1500 for it...and I got $1500 worth.

They changed timing, fueling, rpm limiter, removed torque limit, increased boost, removed 1st and 2nd gear boost limit, increased intake temperature tollerance, changed spark plug gap and as a result of it being custom I was able to take full advantage of other mods like exhaust and minor intake mods.

An off the shelf map can not do this because it can not be safe for all cars...and people understand that...they understand that if they want maximum they need to pay for it.

I know you've seen my map and I'm certain you've probably even had it in your car...but be very careful, it is on the limits and in a different car with different mods it will run very lean and very hot (it has allowances for air turbulence after the AFM). I agree wouldn't sell that type of map as an off the shelf...then you will see one go bang.

[JasonGilholme]

MR T: This is exactly what is happening in the Honda scene atm. People from sydney are trying to sell packages that are meant to give 118 - 125 fwkw's out of the B16A. yes its definately possible, even without a tune, but it sure isn't safe to just download onto your car and then fire away.

Many people have had problems with pushing the stock internals this far and it has ended in tears and broken components.

Some cars can be pushed further and some cars can't. its up to the individual engine and depends on its condition. Also, just because the car has high km's doesn't neccessarily mean that its not going to perform as well as a the same engine with lesser km's. A friend of mine pull 110 fwk's from his 1.6 with intake and exhaust (no tune) and his car has just clocked over 220,000 km's.

As long as everyone does their research and understands what is going to be happening to their car they will get good value for money.

[Apex]

Also on the Walkinshaw Performance side of things, I wouldn't hold my breath, they are already considering not developing any further upgrades for the SRi Turbo as they are losing money on it already. They have to pay top notch engineers and spend huge amounts of time in development, they are simply putting too much into it for very few people who are buying the upgrades.


They may sell a few more parts if they were to reply E-Mails, have sent two with no reply. Maybe they could pay there sales team the same as there engineers as a performance incentive.

They do not provide pricing on the web-site witch is useless. I have looked at there upgrades and find most of the available parts pointless anyway, according to the Motor Mag article its $3,200 for a set of tires and painted wheels. $900 for an Irme Grill and another $900 or so for the Samco hose kit both of which can be obtained direct from Europe for half the cost. Not hard to figure why no one is upgrading with them.

[SSS_Hoon]

man to be able to post my comments on this in more detail.......


i'm not going to though.

as for warranty not too sure there has to be some form though but there is no set time frame from what i know so they could say 30 days(might be the min) and after that there is nothing anyone can do.

SSS_Hoon

[MatsHolden]

They may sell a few more parts if they were to reply E-Mails, have sent two with no reply. Maybe they could pay there sales team the same as there engineers as a performance incentive.

They do not provide pricing on the web-site witch is useless. I have looked at there upgrades and find most of the available parts pointless anyway, according to the Motor Mag article its $3,200 for a set of tires and painted wheels. $900 for an Irme Grill and another $900 or so for the Samco hose kit both of which can be obtained direct from Europe for half the cost. Not hard to figure why no one is upgrading with them.

Strange. Maybe they don't like New Zealanders?:confused: lol Replied to all my emails. It won't worry them too much with having little success with the SRi Turbo upgrades, as their majority of business comes from V8 Commodore owners.

[Tfer]

man to be able to post my comments on this in more detail.......


i'm not going to though.

as for warranty not too sure there has to be some form though but there is no set time frame from what i know so they could say 30 days(might be the min) and after that there is nothing anyone can do.

SSS_Hoon

Why not? :confused:

[auzvectra]

They're not claims mate...I've driven one and raced it, all other specs identical - even the colour.

What do you mean not comparable...??? Thats what we are talking about here aren't we.

I'm happy to say what is changed with my car...hell I paid $1500 for it...and I got $1500 worth.

They changed timing, fueling, rpm limiter, removed torque limit, increased boost, removed 1st and 2nd gear boost limit, increased intake temperature tollerance, changed spark plug gap and as a result of it being custom I was able to take full advantage of other mods like exhaust and minor intake mods.

An off the shelf map can not do this because it can not be safe for all cars...and people understand that...they understand that if they want maximum they need to pay for it.

I know you've seen my map and I'm certain you've probably even had it in your car...but be very careful, it is on the limits and in a different car with different mods it will run very lean and very hot (it has allowances for air turbulence after the AFM). I agree wouldn't sell that type of map as an off the shelf...then you will see one go bang.

Mr T, i HAVE NOT seen ur map, i HAVE NEVER had a copy of it, and it is DEFINATELY NOT on my car, and NEVER has been!!!
we are not here to do anything illegal, and that would be highly illegal, the same as unauthorised use of the map the wayne has, wayne and us agents under him have the legal right to onsell it, and also hold the intelectual property over it.
i have customised my map myself with my own software, and i am not going to steal some1 else's hard work, as i know that would really annoy me if it was done to me!
also u left out that your knock sensitivity has been altered also.

[CJB]

Guys, I think Matchu has something to say....

http://i5.tinypic.com/40pvebr.jpg




thanks dee for the 'stock' photo

[Tfer]

Very well said :D

[Ishley]

Guys, I think Matchu has something to say....

http://i5.tinypic.com/40pvebr.jpg





thanks dee for the 'stock' photo

I agree with Matchu.... There is no need to fight, lets all grow moustache's and hug people

[Noir]

Guys, I think Matchu has something to say....

http://i5.tinypic.com/40pvebr.jpg





thanks dee for the 'stock' photo


now I cant concentrate on the actual thread...I have tears! rofl. :clap:

[Turblue]

I get the final words. :)

Ishley: Thank you for your enquires and letting us know what you found. There does seem to be some confusion with what you have found, in terms of services and prices.

Mr T: My Agents and I do NOT use ECU tunes that we are not authorised to use. What we discussed in relation to comparison and learning is still the case.

Undoubtedly, a genuine dyno tune is the best way to go. It gives you the chance to fine tune parameters to suit your particular car. Whether or not this equates to more powerful car as compared to a well designed generic map is really a point of discussion. Mr T, your figures of 137kw/278nm are very good. I have a dyno chart of the generic AmD tune on my car at 131kw/320nm.

I have spent the last seven months investigating chiptung and I have learnt a massive amount about this blackart. So I can talk from a position of basic knowledge. The most important point I have learned is that very few Tuners will actually tell you the truth and the facts. Many of us have played with these cars for quite a while now and we have a pretty good idea what is feasible and what is not.

I have said this before, and I want to say it again.

If you have any doubt what so ever, think and research very carefully. There are way too many people willing to sell you "go fast bits" that have little effect. Ask for proof. Insist on proper answers. And if you are still not satisfied, walk away.

As the original discussion has fallen by the wayside, thread is now closed.