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Shaun
1st February 2007, 10:47 PM
Take a look at the link below...

Opel Astra OPC / Vauxhall VXR Astra and HSV VXR is the Quickest car around Nurburgring In the compact class.

http://astra-sri.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=19028
digifish
1st February 2007, 11:33 PM
Guess the understeer is not so bad then :)
blueraven
2nd February 2007, 12:25 AM
alot of rearwheel drives also have really bad understeer. but most of the latest hot hatch front runners handle incredibly well, and understeer is hardly worse than most rear wheel drive cars. As long as you know how to drive a front runner, then you wont have much trouble with understeer :)
SSS_Hoon
2nd February 2007, 07:56 AM
bah understeer is fun anyway.

if your not understeering then your not pushing hard enough hehehe :D

SSS_Hoon
platypus
2nd February 2007, 08:07 AM
not a bad time... i thought the record was held by a woman? in fact i think she was on top gear?
Shaun
2nd February 2007, 08:50 AM
I have been in 3 VXR's and driven One and i can honestly say UNDERSTEER IS NOT A ISSUE.
Anyone can hold there foot flat and have 3/4 lock on the wheel and make a car do that
Wraith
2nd February 2007, 12:53 PM
That's great news.......

Regarding torque steer/understeer, this has come up alot even with the Astra G turbo and I've always been surprised at people who've said it's a problem.

As I've always said I've never found it to be a problem on my re-mapped G at all.......maybe in wet n slippery conditions, but then you'd drive differently in conditions like that.

I've also test driven a VXR and found it to be very tame and placit - in fact way to tame for my liking, if I get one the power's gotta be ramped right up for me to be happy :D

I've always had high power rear wheel drive V8's but have no real gripe against high power FWD cars, I enjoy driving both types of set-ups :)

As BR said, once you get used to and experinced with them, they're fine.

Fact is your more likely to lose or spin out of control with a RWD car than a FWD performance car from the rear end 'fish tailing' !!! although if you know what your doing this can also be extreme fun :D
blueraven
2nd February 2007, 01:33 PM
That my gripe with the likes of jeremy clarkson on top gear, bagging all but one front wheel drive car for its handling(he loves the focus rs with comes with lsd as standard.)

you see them hammering around their track in rear wheel drive cars slinging the rear out all the time, yet somehow they dont see that as "bad handling". when he did the test on the VXR astras and vectra, you could plainly see he was making the car understeer ALOT on purpose. the vectra had worse understeer, but i can expect that since its a heavier car. either way if he knew how to drive a fwd fast then it would have been a better test.
SSS_Hoon
2nd February 2007, 03:12 PM
stop baggin J Clarkson he is great nota s good as the hamster though.


the plain and simple fact is that the show is for the feelings and opinions on the cars that they are testing and obviously he does not like the VXR so he did what ever he could too make it look bad, as im sure he could drive it fast after seeing him in the focus ST not RS and the GTI.


SSS_Hoon
MatsHolden
2nd February 2007, 03:21 PM
although if you know what your doing this can also be extreme fun :D

ohhh yes. :D
Wraith
2nd February 2007, 05:07 PM
hehehe thanks Mat :)

After all that's what drifting is all about ;)

And yes BR, I agree Clarkson is a TOOL !

I hope he gets fatter, that way he won't even fit in an average hatch
anymore :D

SSS Hoon the Hamster rocks :)
MatsHolden
3rd February 2007, 02:23 AM
And yes BR, I agree Clarkson is a TOOL !



The only thing i've agreed with him on is that the Monaro rocks... lol Love how the Monaro bit back and rooted his back! hahaha Now that's kharma!
oneightoo
3rd February 2007, 09:15 AM
The only thing i've agreed with him on is that the Monaro rocks... lol Love how the Monaro bit back and rooted his back! hahaha Now that's kharma!

lol and i have to agree with him when he says the db9 is pornography..
digifish
3rd February 2007, 11:26 AM
stop baggin J Clarkson he is great nota s good as the hamster though.


the plain and simple fact is that the show is for the feelings and opinions on the cars that they are testing and obviously he does not like the VXR so he did what ever he could too make it look bad, as im sure he could drive it fast after seeing him in the focus ST not RS and the GTI.


SSS_Hoon

Well, after bagging the torque streer of the VXR around 3:20 in this clip on the focus he says he 'loves the VXR' but just wouldn't buy one with this own money...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL-qUUFLB3I

So I don't think he hates it...just likes the focus better. Anyway - torque steer and power-understeer are a good thing, it means your car has some grunt :P

Means the same thing as oversteer in a RWD car.

digifish
MatsHolden
3rd February 2007, 11:36 AM
lol and i have to agree with him when he says the db9 is pornography..

Must admit those Astons are deady sexy for a Ford!
Charlatan
4th February 2007, 09:13 AM
Those times are all very well, but couple of points. Is the driver the same for all cars. Were all tested in the same conditions? Traffic? Any mods to the cars - ie slicks? 10/10ths or cautious laps? I'd take all the times with a grain of salt.

And yeah, any car with that much power through the front is going to torque steer, all comes down to the drivers boot to keep it under control